PipeChat Digest #1832 - Monday, February 19, 2001
Re: English Organists-May Tour NJ, PA, DE, MD
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1831 - 02/18/01
  by "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Nuptial Mass, Saturday, Feb. 17th, St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA  (X-po
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Rookie at the Organ Pump (long)
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
for all  RaceCar Fans
  by "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: Daniel
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted)
  by "Bob North" <bnorth@intergate.ca>
Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted)
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
MIDI or no, cont. (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
I'm baaack
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net>

(back) Subject: Re: English Organists-May Tour NJ, PA, DE, MD From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:48:55 -0600       ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Lists and Friends, > > > I > > > > > Philip's Wesley Chapel in Bristol is in contact with Methodist > churches from > around the world, and has just been asked to entertain the > choir of > Aldersgate UMC in Wilmington. Does anyone know of this church > and its organ? >   What you don't mention is that Wesley's Chapel in the Horsefair, Bristol has one of the most interesting historic organs in Britain. The chapel was about the only building in the main shopping area of Bristol to escape the bombing in World War II and is adjoined by the apartment where Charles (or was it John) Wesley lived. The organ is a one manual 1761 Snetzler, with the following stops:   MANUAL (GG [no GG#] to e3, 57 notes):   Open Diapason (middle C) Dulciana (TC) Stopped Diapason Principal Flute Fifteenth Sesquialtera Bass II Rks. Cornet Treble II Rks.   In light of this, I would have thought Philip would be interested in seeing some historic organs. Have you thought of taking him to see the Tannenbergs at Spring City, Lititz, Nazareth or York?   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1831 - 02/18/01 From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:10:25 -0400   The removal of the ACCH Ballroom relay to replace it with an elevator, = kind of reminds me of the Story of the Organ at St. Georges Anglican Church in Halifax. Soon to be recieving a new Letourneau. This church recieved extensive damage to the point the building lost its = roof and dome.When reconstruction of this church was decided to take place,the Organ chamber = which was fairly large for a small church was cut almost by 2/3 when the fire marshal I guess = ,decided that that was where the fire escape for the wrap around balcany would be.THis church = has been brought back to its Beautiful Original splendor. here is a link to St.Georges I think it is kind of unique Please take a peak http://www.stpeter.org/saintg.html http://www.stpeter.org/stgeorge.html hope you enjoy no mention of the organ though   Danielwh '2000' E.Power Biggs Fellow      
(back) Subject: Nuptial Mass, Saturday, Feb. 17th, St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:43:58 -0800   Voluntaries - the usual suspects ... Handel, Bach, Dupre Antiphons, Dubois Marriage Mass Processionals - Trumpet Tune, Here Comes the Bride Proper - Deus Israel - various fauxbourdons Gradual Psalm 23 - double chant - Wesley in F Ordinary - Willan Offertory Anthem - O Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem - Blow Communion Hymn - O Perfect Love (Charterhouse) Recessionals - There Goes the Bride, Trumpet Voluntary   Full choir in the stalls, as usual ... they LIKE singing weddings ... full CHURCH, too ... mostly RCs who were MYSTIFIED by a High Mass (grin).   First time for the wedding marches at St. Matthew's ... the Rector is getting liberal in his old age (grin). But he DID have to chase a photographer out of the Sanctuary (grin), and tell them to stop taking flash pictures when the Mass started.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Rookie at the Organ Pump (long) From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:26:13 -0500   Hello fellow Listers,   The following organ story serves me as a kind of Journal entry to record my impressions and details of the organ adventures I have had, and will hope to have in the future. Perhaps you will enjoy it because it is from the heart, and from a raw rookie who has rediscovered the joy and wonder of the pipe organ, after a 30 year unintentional sabbatical. The Internet has opened a door for me, and I am busy stepping out into the organ world.     2/16/01     I traveled this night to Oberlin University intending to attend the =93Friday Night Organ Pump=94, a tradition of the Conservatory where at 1= 1pm students and others gather in Warner Hall to hear organ performance majors practice their recital preparations in front of an audience.   I arrived in Oberlin around 9pm and not knowing where Warner Hall was, went into the coffee shop in the center of the campus, and started asking everyone about the =93Organ Pump=94 Most of them did not know what= I was talking about, and I was working about my tenth student before I got some directions to Warner Hall, but still no acknowledgment of the =93Organ Pump=94.   So I went to Warner Hall where I asked several people about the =93Orga= n Pump=94, but no one even knew what I was talking about. I then simply began to wander the corridors and reading the many bulletin boards for clues. I found a board labeled =93events=94 and smack in the center at th= e top was a bulletin stating =93the organ pump scheduled for Friday, Feb 16 has been canceled. Sorry for any inconvenience.=94   Needless to say, I was very disappointed. I have not heard a live organ play in more than 30 years, and this was to be my reintroduction. In any event, I decided since I had traveled all this way, and finally discovered where the =93Organ Pumps=94 would be held, I would get myself = a look at the organ as consolation. I asked some more questions and was directed to the Concert Auditorium, where I knew the Flentrop lived. Outside the hall, I found a security officer at his desk, and asked him if I could see the Flentrop. He kindly guided me to the door that lead to the seating floor, and I discovered 4 students practicing a trio of organ, piano, and flute. The fourth student seemed to be the composer, or at least the arranger of the complex piece being rehearsed. I sat down to listen, marveling at my good luck to be seeing the glorious Flentrop, and hear it being played, even though it was simply accompanying the other two instruments. After 15 or 20 minutes of hearing the piece repeated, separated by discussion and direction from the student who seemed the composer, the four students wrapped up the rehearsal. The organist and the composer then worked out a couple of technical aspects for a few minutes as the pianist and flautist left the hall. When the organist completed his short discussion with the composer, he informed him that he would stay another 15 or 20 minutes to practice on his own. With that, the composer left, and the fun began.   Sitting alone in the auditorium front row center, I heard the organist begin to work the stops in preparation for his first practice piece.   I remind you that I am completely alone with the organist in the auditorium. He cannot see me because the Flentrop console is built into the back of the stage with the organists back to the audience. Behind him, and shielding him from the audience is the Positive chest. So, he did not know I was still there.   The first chord he played traveled through me like a lightening bolt because he had selected a very full combination. As he traveled through segments of several major works of Bach, Widor, and I think some Messiaen, among other pieces that were familiar, but unidentifiable in my limited knowledge of organ literature.   He did not play anything in completion, and often stopped to work out some difficult passages several times over, and to change registration settings to sample the sound of the same passage using alternate stops. Sometimes he would stop and in the stone quiet of the auditorium, I could hear the stops being pulled as he prepared for the next piece. The more clunks I heard, the more excited I got because I knew lots of stops makes for a full big sound, and when he played again, I wasn't disappointed.   After about 25 minutes of this, the organist decided it was enough practice, and emerged from the console to find me sitting still front row center. When our eyes met, I applauded gently and he exclaimed he didn't know anybody was still there, and I answered that I had come to hear the organ, and had been wonderfully pleased to hear his performance. Now the real REAL fun begins.   He invited me to see the organ. As I climbed the steps up to the console floor, I could not help but shiver with the excitement of actually getting near enough to the pipes to inspect them. We introduced ourselves, and the student organist =93Robert=94, a freshman talked to me about the =93Organ Pump=94 and that it had been canceled due to the unavailability of enough organ students to make up an event. He then promised me he was personally going to see that there would be a =93Pump=94 next month, and I should come back for it. He then gave me a quick sampling of some of the stops, played a few measures of pieces appropriate to the stops he had selected, and even opened the back access door to the Positive for me, and let me hear those pipes while standing right next to them.   All I can say is WOW! What a truly lucky experience for an emerging organophile. I can tell you I will never forget it. What started out to be a ruined evening turned into the experience of a lifetime. If the future of the pipe organ is in the hands of congenial youngsters like Robert, I feel confident that the true tradition of pipe organs and classical literature will not disappear as long as we continue to provide capable instruments for them.   From the recent beginnings of my organic adventure, I have maintained that what people like me need most is to be taken under wing by someone who has access to the organ, and is willing to share some of their precious time with totally unknown strangers like me who display an earnest interest in the instrument. Tonight, Oberlin freshman student =93Robert=94 took me under wing for a few minutes, and I will be eternall= y grateful.      
(back) Subject: for all RaceCar Fans From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:32:24 -0400   http://sportsline.netscape.com/ns/ce/multi/0,1511,3535420,00.html    
(back) Subject: Re: Daniel From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:23:48 -0800 (PST)   I'm praying for you, Daniel. God bless you. --- DanielW Hopkins <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > I just got my appointment for My tests,Upper GI > It is a week from today > I wish I could get it sooner . > MY doctor said yesterday that there is two > possibilities in his Opinion > 1) it could be an inflamation of the Lining of the > stomach > 2) It could be a slight kink in the intestine > > But to wait a week to get it found out > I think that is pretty terrible to have to wait > that long in discomfort and nausea > Danielwh > '2000' E. Power Biggs Fellow > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:18:02 -0800   I'm having a debate with myself ... should the new pipe organ's console include MIDI capability or not?   There will be NO digital voices in the organ itself; the spec is pretty complete for a small two-manual organ; we don't allow recorded music (except for the playback of the communion voluntary, and I play that into memory, so the organ's actually playing, and not a recording of the organ) or electronic or amplified instruments (the Hammond being a temporary makeshift exception until a permanent church and organ are built next year).   My ARCH-conservative side says, "NO! Don't do it! That way digital voices can NEVER be added to the pipe organ." And "my" lovely little organ will never be spoiled by electronic en-chamades.   OTOH, what if digital technology advances to the point where it MIGHT be acceptable and my successor MIGHT want it? This organ is likely to outlast me ... it will be 20-30 years before it's moved to the main church and enlarged; or they may decide at that point to re-sell it and replace it. In either case, I will be long retired, if not translated to the Great Organ Loft in the Sky.   No flames, please ... I'd like to hear reasoned arguments both ways.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted) From: "Bob North" <bnorth@intergate.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 18:47:24 -0800   Bud, While your arch-conservatism gives you a pause, I would suggest that you go for it. The organ is undergoing some changes, and I'm sure the cost =   will not be that much to midify. If you look back 10 or 15 years, and see who far we have come in that time, why not be ready for the future. After =   all, I noticed that your 'new' organ isn't a tracker with a 'man' powered blower. Regards..........BobN    
(back) Subject: Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:12:23 -0800   At 06:18 PM 2/18/2001 -0800, you wrote: >My ARCH-conservative side says, "NO! Don't do it! That way digital >voices can NEVER be added to the pipe organ." And "my" lovely little >organ will never be spoiled by electronic en-chamades. > >OTOH, what if digital technology advances to the point where it MIGHT be >acceptable and my successor MIGHT want it?<snip>   It's cheaper to add NOW, vis a vis LATER. MIDI's the default standard, indeed, and I don't see that changing any time soon. You already use it (as you've admitted), so why not include it and a good sequencer during = the build? Forget all those knee-jerkers...it's the future, no doubt about it. The knee-jerkers would have a bunch of serfs treadling wind for you whilst you play on 16th century tracker action like one would on a carillon! Speech problems with EM action are grossly overblown (no pun...really!) and are circulated by leather cutters with their own = agenda.   I guess it depends on what you're going to do with this thing...if you go electromagnetic (I don't think you've got any choice, seeing the restrictions the architect put on you) and add an SS relay...MIDI would = fit in perfectly as an entire system upgrade at that time. If you're simply going to "plug 'n play" all the old stuff, forget it until you dump the EP =   stuff and go SS/EM.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:53:07 -0500   Bud, and list-   I was reluctant at first to MIDI-ize my Wurli, but now that I have, I find it really nice to hear the organ play by itself. It's also great to show-off to visitors. Mine is capable of recording and playback stops, swells, boo-boos, et = al. You could, I'm sure use the recording/playback end for good use in = services.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: to MIDI or not to MIDI (X-posted) From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:14:25 -0600   I suppose there are several systems available,   The system that I have installed in the organ here has MIDI capability. It is the same hook up as the playback so the price was the same. It also has a transposer for little or no extra cost.   It will also allow a separate remote keyboard to play the organ. If that feature would ever be desirable.   Unless the system dramatically increases the cost, I guess I would say, go for it, install it. Luther   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com >I'm having a debate with myself ... should the new pipe organ's console >include MIDI capability or not? > >Cheers, > >Bud >    
(back) Subject: MIDI or no, cont. (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:26:51 -0800   I think it's important to understand the context ...   Some (most) folks know what kind of church St. Matthew's is ... it's a continuing Anglican parish that was formed to preserve traditional Anglican worship and theology: the Anglican Missal, the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, the 1940 Hymnal; the Articles of Religion and all THREE Creeds, strict interpretation of the Scriptures according to the Fathers, etc.   This is a church that still insists on 100% beeswax for the altar candles AND the Sanctuary lamp (have you priced 100% beeswax 7-day Sanctuary candles lately??!!), hand-sewn pure linen for the Altar, reverent hand washing ONLY of the Altar linens, done in SILENCE except for the appropriate PRAYERS, etc. etc. etc.   It's a particular mindset ... only the BEST, only the REAL, only the TRADITIONAL, in ALL things. We will PROBABLY make provisions (at least in the main church) for the use of CANDLES for lighting (grin) at evening services.   Yes, we'll have air-conditioning and heating and a modern kitchen and flush toilets, BUT ...   I really can't see this Rector (or his likely successors) accepting the permanent use of electronic instruments in church, including MIDI voices.   God willing, we will end up with a fine little pipe organ ... as Mark Checkley has pointed out, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of fine little pipe organs all over England that do what they're supposed to do (play the SERVICE) quite well with what our size-conscious American organists would consider "limited" resources ... I would add "WITHOUT the addition of MIDI" (grin).   And, lest anyone fault us for wasting money on ourselves, I hasten to add that the parish MORE than tithes its income to corporal works of mercy.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: I'm baaack From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:42:50 -0800   Hello Pipechat,   I've signed back on for awhile 'til the Easter/Lenten madness takes over = my spare time ;-)   I've been on this list off and on since its beginning (more off than on, lately)   Looking forward to chatting,   Jonathan Orwig FBC Riverside, CA - USA http://home.earthlink.net/~giwro/index.htm (personal) http://evensong.homepage.com/ (Music Publishing) http://www.mp3.com/orwig (mp3 site)