PipeChat Digest #1843 - Monday, February 26, 2001
 
Re: Postludes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: salaries
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: salaries
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Postludes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: salaries
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: salaries
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Need advice
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Postludes
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Need advice
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
RE: salaries
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
RE: Need advice
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
RE: Postludes
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: salaries
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Postludes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Postludes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:35:39 EST     --part1_52.7c472aa.27cc5e6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/26/01 6:25:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = basset3@warwick.net writes:     > What is the true nature of a postlude? > >   I think the true nature of a postlude is the same as the reprise of tune played after a broadway show, or like unto the music played while the = credits roll at the conclusion of a film.   To me it serves to remind the worshiper of what has gone on before, as = well as send them on their way in a thoughtful state of mind. Therefore, a postlude can be a loud toccata, or a rag-time melody, or a grand piece of thoughtful literature such as one of the Franck chorales. There is = almost always someone who will stay for the whole bidnez.   At Holy Trinity we have a nice collection of people who like to gather = around the console to watch David play the postlude, explore the tonality of the organ, draw and retire stops, do incredible machinations on the pedals, = and, yes, make faces all the while. It's a grand show and adults as well as children love it. One of the traditions, this being a college town, is = that on football weekends, provided the Gators win, the gator fight song is = worked into the postlude. It's not especially liturgical, but it's fun and = keeps people interested in the organ.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_52.7c472aa.27cc5e6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/26/01 6:25:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!, basset3@warwick.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What is the true = nature of a postlude? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I think the true nature of a postlude is the same as the reprise of = tune <BR>played after a broadway show, or like unto the music played while the = credits <BR>roll at the conclusion of a film. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>To me it serves to remind the worshiper of what has gone on before, as = well <BR>as send them on their way in a thoughtful state of mind. = &nbsp;Therefore, a <BR>postlude can be a loud toccata, or a rag-time melody, or a grand piece = of <BR>thoughtful literature such as one of the Franck chorales. = &nbsp;&nbsp;There is almost <BR>always someone who will stay for the whole bidnez. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>At Holy Trinity we have a nice collection of people who like to gather = around <BR>the console to watch David play the postlude, explore the tonality of = the <BR>organ, draw and retire stops, do incredible machinations on the = pedals, and, <BR>yes, make faces all the while. &nbsp;It's a grand show and adults as = well as <BR>children love it. &nbsp;&nbsp;One of the traditions, this being a = college town, is that <BR>on football weekends, provided the Gators win, the gator fight song is = worked <BR>into the postlude. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's not especially liturgical, = but it's fun and keeps <BR>people interested in the organ. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_52.7c472aa.27cc5e6b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: salaries From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:36:39 EST   In a message dated 2/26/01 4:14:25 PM Central Standard Time, randyterryus@yahoo.com writes:   << What is the proper etiquette for discussing salaries at our music jobs? = >>   Well, I agree that sharing exact dollar amounts is taboo in most circles; however, I can say that in my position, before I assumed it, I negotiated = a salary of more than double what the previous org/chm was making. I also = got a continuing education allowance and an annual cost of living increase (4% annually). Not bad for a quarter-time position.   John  
(back) Subject: Re: salaries From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:38:29 EST   In a message dated 2/26/01 7:12:45 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << an endowed Episcopal >>   I've known a few.  
(back) Subject: Re: Postludes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:38:38 EST     --part1_f8.7a7d139.27cc5f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/26/01 7:29:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Something as short as possible to facilitate a much-needed trip to the > rest-room after an hour and a half on the bench at High Mass (grin). > >   One thing I forgot to mention, is the psychological lift I get from = exiting the building hearing the organ blasting away in the background. It's a = tough choice, much as I like to stay until the last note has died away.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f8.7a7d139.27cc5f1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 2/26/01 7:29:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Something as short = as possible to facilitate a much-needed trip to the <BR>rest-room after an hour and a half on the bench at High Mass (grin). <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>One thing I forgot to mention, is the psychological lift I get from = exiting <BR>the building hearing the organ blasting away in the background. = &nbsp;It's a tough <BR>choice, much as I like to stay until the last note has died away. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f8.7a7d139.27cc5f1e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: salaries From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:36:35 -0500   Hi, Y'all!   This is an interesting topic and one which remains difficult to discuss as church/synagogue employees.   Just last week the chairman of a search committee called me to tell me = that my name had been mentioned to them as a "good candidate" for the organ/choir job. I chatted with him for a few minutes and then asked "what have you budgeted for this position?" He responded with the same salary I made in 1985 when I first went to Coral Ridge (trust me, that wasn't a lot of money!). My response was "oh . . . ." Then silence. He asked if that = was an adequate salary. I told him that indeed it wasn't even on the low side but some of my friends make that kind of money as part-time church musicians. When I told him how much money I thought the job would require, he said, "why that's more than we pay the pastor!"   'nuff said . . . I suggested he consider a recent graduate from college with no experience or consider keeping the same salary and going with an experienced person on a part-time basis.   There was a lot more that could have been said, but I was in a hurry and needed to get to a meeting.   Oh, well . . .   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Re: salaries From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:50:21 EST   If memory serves me correctly, I'm just about on par w/ our senior = pastor. But I don't get a house. But still, not too shabby.   THe old odage still applies, "You get what you pay for" (generally = speaking)   Neil B Barnegat, USA  
(back) Subject: Need advice From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:50:53 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C0A035.CEF2BFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi everyone,   I have something that's been weighing on my mind for about 3 weeks, and = =3D I would like some other opinions.   I scheduled my recital back in November for April 21st at 5pm. As many =3D of you know, my mother's an organist as well, so I tried to accommodate = =3D her schedule in picking the date.=3D20   I talked to my mother about three weeks ago, and reminded her (a) I =3D -have- a senior recital and (b) the exact date and time. She looked at =3D her calendar and told me that she and my sister were going on vacation =3D and wouldn't be able to make it.   I'm kind of upset by this, and I'm wondering what other reactions are. =3D She -knew- for all four years that I have to have a senior recital in =3D order to graduate. I suppose I should have reminded her earlier, but my = =3D last recital was the same time last year. A close friend of mine =3D commented that it seemed to her to be a horrible thing to do, saying =3D that she hoped that at least her closest family members would come for =3D that occasion. My father usually has to work on weekends, and he =3D wouldn't really understand it as well as my mother anyway...   I know I'm peeved (well, more upset than peeved), but I don't know =3D whether or not I have a right to be.=3D20   Guess you all will have to show up and cheer me up. :-( Feel free to =3D respond privately.   -Rebekah     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C0A035.CEF2BFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Hi everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I have something that's been =3D weighing on my mind=3D20 for about 3 weeks, and I would like some other opinions.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I scheduled my recital back in =3D November for=3D20 April 21st at 5pm. As many of you know, my mother's an organist as well, = =3D so I=3D20 tried to accommodate her schedule in picking the date. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I talked to my mother about three = =3D weeks ago, and=3D20 reminded her (a) I -have- a senior recital and (b) the exact date and =3D time. She=3D20 looked at her calendar and told me that she and my sister were going on = =3D vacation=3D20 and wouldn't be able to make it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I'm kind of upset by this, and I'm = =3D wondering=3D20 what other reactions are. She -knew- for all four years that I have to =3D have a=3D20 senior recital in order to graduate. I suppose I should have reminded =3D her=3D20 earlier, but my last recital was the same time last year. A close friend = =3D of mine=3D20 commented that it seemed to her to be a horrible thing to do, saying =3D that she=3D20 hoped that at least her closest family members would come for that =3D occasion. My=3D20 father usually has to work on weekends, and he wouldn't really =3D understand it as=3D20 well as my mother anyway...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I know I'm peeved (well, more = upset =3D than=3D20 peeved), but I don't know whether or not I have a right to be. =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Guess you all will have to show up = =3D and cheer me=3D20 up. :-( Feel free to respond privately.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C0A035.CEF2BFA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Postludes From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:12:56 EST   In a message dated 2/26/01 12:26:04 PM Central Standard Time, basset3@warwick.net writes:   << What is the true nature of a postlude? >>   I have a serious and a non-serious answer for you:   1) The postlude should echo the mood of the service as should all of the music during the service. It should be in keeping with the liturgical season. However, it has no real merit, besides being walking music, since =   the service has formally come to an end with the benediction and = dismissal.   2) It's just music that hardly anyone listens too, except possibly for a = few choice members and the choir, while people are running out the doors to = get to coffee and Sunday school at break neck speed... Generally, a waste of = time and effort on the part of the organist (at least that's the way I see it).    
(back) Subject: Re: Need advice From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:35:17 EST     --part1_c4.105d6821.27cc6c65_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/26/01 9:03:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, = rringram@syr.edu writes:     > > I'm kind of upset by this, and I'm wondering what other reactions are. = She > -knew- for all four years that I have to have a senior recital in order = to > graduate >   Rebekah,   This is really tough on you. Please don't let it disctract you from your music.   Several years ago, I performed an hour-long recital at a local library. = My kids and my husband didn't come - they were "too busy" and they'd "heard = it all, anyway." My Mom DID come. She was soooo proud..... and when she = took my picture with my not-yet-paid-for camera, she dropped it!!!!   I suggest that you record your recital for your own enjoyment, and give it =   your best. And remember that *I* will be with you in thought, if not in person, as will a lot of other list members, I'm sure.   Vicki Ceruti   --part1_c4.105d6821.27cc6c65_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/26/01 9:03:06 PM Eastern = Standard Time, rringram@syr.edu <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif" = LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>I'm kind of upset by this, and I'm wondering what other reactions are. = She <BR>-knew- for all four years that I have to have a senior recital in = order to <BR>graduate</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FACE=3D"MS Sans = Serif" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Rebekah, <BR> <BR>This is really tough on you. &nbsp;Please don't let it disctract you = from your <BR>music. <BR> <BR>Several years ago, I performed an hour-long recital at a local = library. &nbsp;My <BR>kids and my husband didn't come - they were "too busy" and they'd = "heard it <BR>all, anyway." &nbsp;My Mom DID come. &nbsp;She was soooo proud..... = and when she took <BR>my picture with my not-yet-paid-for camera, she dropped it!!!! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I suggest that you record your recital for your own enjoyment, and = give it <BR>your best. &nbsp;And remember that *I* will be with you in thought, if = not in <BR>person, as will a lot of other list members, I'm sure. <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c4.105d6821.27cc6c65_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: salaries From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:44:54 -0800       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of DRAWKNOB@aol.com     << an endowed Episcopal >>   >>I've known a few.   <ME TOO, TO! aren't I terrible!~>      
(back) Subject: RE: Need advice From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:48:21 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C0A024.7251BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   It took years before my parents had any conception of what my craft meant = to me. They never thought too much of it till I moved across the country. <sigh>   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Rebekah Ingram Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:51 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Need advice     Hi everyone,   I have something that's been weighing on my mind for about 3 weeks, and I would like some other opinions.   I scheduled my recital back in November for April 21st at 5pm. As many of you know, my mother's an organist as well, so I tried to accommodate her schedule in picking the date.   I talked to my mother about three weeks ago, and reminded her (a) I -have- = a senior recital and (b) the exact date and time. She looked at her calendar and told me that she and my sister were going on vacation and wouldn't be able to make it.   I'm kind of upset by this, and I'm wondering what other reactions are. She -knew- for all four years that I have to have a senior recital in = order to graduate. I suppose I should have reminded her earlier, but my last recital was the same time last year. A close friend of mine commented that it seemed to her to be a horrible thing to do, saying that she hoped that = at least her closest family members would come for that occasion. My father usually has to work on weekends, and he wouldn't really understand it as well as my mother anyway...   I know I'm peeved (well, more upset than peeved), but I don't know whether or not I have a right to be.   Guess you all will have to show up and cheer me up. :-( Feel free to = respond privately.   -Rebekah       ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C0A024.7251BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D490124502-27022001>It=3D20 took years before my parents had any conception of what my craft meant =3D to=3D20 me.&nbsp;&nbsp;They never thought too much of it till I moved across the = =3D   country.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;sigh&gt; </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3D3Dleft class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rebekah=3D20 Ingram<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 26, 2001 5:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> = =3D   PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> Need advice<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Hi everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I have something that's been =3D weighing on my=3D20 mind for about 3 weeks, and I would like some other =3D opinions.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I scheduled my recital back in = =3D November for=3D20 April 21st at 5pm. As many of you know, my mother's an organist as =3D well, so I=3D20 tried to accommodate her schedule in picking the date. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I talked to my mother about = three =3D weeks ago,=3D20 and reminded her (a) I -have- a senior recital and (b) the exact date = =3D and=3D20 time. She looked at her calendar and told me that she and my sister =3D were going=3D20 on vacation and wouldn't be able to make it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I'm kind of upset by this, and = I'm =3D wondering=3D20 what other reactions are. She -knew- for all four years that I have to = =3D have a=3D20 senior recital in order to graduate. I suppose I should have reminded =3D her=3D20 earlier, but my last recital was the same time last year. A close =3D friend of=3D20 mine commented that it seemed to her to be a horrible thing to do, =3D saying that=3D20 she hoped that at least her closest family members would come for that = =3D   occasion. My father usually has to work on weekends, and he wouldn't =3D really=3D20 understand it as well as my mother anyway...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I know I'm peeved (well, more = =3D upset than=3D20 peeved), but I don't know whether or not I have a right to be. =3D </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>Guess you all will have to show = up =3D and cheer=3D20 me up. :-( Feel free to respond privately.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008D_01C0A024.7251BC80--    
(back) Subject: RE: Postludes From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:50:18 -0800       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of DRAWKNOB@aol.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:13 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Postludes     >> It's just music that hardly anyone listens too, except possibly for a few choice members and the choir, while people are running out the doors to = get to coffee and Sunday school at break neck speed... Generally, a waste of time and effort on the part of the organist (at least that's the way I see it). <<   AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN.....isn't this a song.....<grin>   Randy    
(back) Subject: Re: salaries From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:00 -0500   the guidelines up here in Montreal are somewhere along these lines.......   the going rate for one mass is equivalent to 2-3 times what you originally paid for an hour of private organ instruction, whatever that amount was. That's how an organist/pianist is paid. As for choir directors, it's a little less. If one person does both jobs, like myself, then the formula = is as I mentioned above, at a 3-4 times what you paid for organ instructions. Now, there IS room for discussion, but that's basically how it works here.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Postludes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:07:50 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C0A038.2D316B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   You know, Randy, that happened to me at Christmas Eve service. There =3D were two things (not counting my husband's learning to cook) I never =3D thought would happen: that I would win a case in the manner of Matlock = =3D or Perry Mason (you know, where you have the real culprit in the =3D courtroom and under pressure he breaks down and confesses, and your guy = =3D goes free), and that I would actually play a postlude and be unable to =3D "play them out". Both things have now happened.   We had our usual big crowd this past Christmas Eve, including two =3D ministers from the "First" churches on the Circle. Heck, I don't even =3D remember what I played now (I'm sure I posted it to the list in my =3D egocentric way), but when I finished everyone was still sitting. I =3D thought, "Wow! Twilight Zone has arrived," pinched myself and said to =3D someone in the back row, "I can't even play you out anymore." My voice = =3D carried in that live acoustic, and they all laughed. I played a second = =3D piece to get them out of the church so I could go home and hunt for =3D Santa Claus.   You know, that's a good feeling; I'm not complaining. It took a long =3D time, and when it came it wasn't even my idea. I was already used to =3D nobody listening. And I'm not that good, so if it can happen to me, it = =3D can happen to you too.   Glenda Sutton     On Monday, February 26, 2001, 12:11 PM, Randy Runyon wrote: Darn good question. Does anyone recall reading the anecdote about =3D G.F.Handel, in which he was visiting a church and was invited to "play =3D them out" on the organ at the end of divine service, and improvised so =3D well that the parishioners, by and large, stayed to listen. The resident = =3D organist, then exclaimed, "No, no, Mr. Handel, that is not how it is =3D done." And slid onto the bench and began to play. People immediately =3D left in droves. "_That_, sir, is how you play them out, " he said, =3D beamingly.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C0A038.2D316B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <?smaller><HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You know, Randy, that happened to me = at =3D Christmas=3D20 Eve service.&nbsp; There were two things (not counting my husband's =3D learning to=3D20 cook) I never thought would happen:&nbsp; that I would win a case in the = =3D manner=3D20 of&nbsp;Matlock or Perry Mason (you know, where you have the real=3D20 culprit&nbsp;in the courtroom and under pressure he breaks down and =3D confesses,=3D20 and your guy goes free), and that I would actually play a postlude and =3D be unable=3D20 to "play them out".&nbsp; Both things have now happened.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>We had our usual big crowd this past = =3D Christmas Eve,=3D20 including two ministers from the "First" churches on the Circle.&nbsp; =3D Heck, I=3D20 don't even remember what I played now (I'm sure I posted it to the list = =3D in my=3D20 egocentric way), but when I finished everyone was still sitting.&nbsp; I = =3D   thought, "Wow!&nbsp; Twilight Zone has arrived," pinched myself and said = =3D to=3D20 someone in the back row, "I can't even play you out anymore."&nbsp; My =3D voice=3D20 carried in that live acoustic, and they all laughed.&nbsp; I played a =3D second=3D20 piece to get them out of the church so I could go home and hunt for =3D Santa=3D20 Claus.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You know, that's a good feeling; I'm = =3D not=3D20 complaining.&nbsp; It took a long time, and when it came it wasn't even = =3D my=3D20 idea.&nbsp;I was already used to nobody listening.&nbsp; And I'm not =3D that good,=3D20 so if it can happen to me, it can happen to you too.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda Sutton</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>On Monday, February 26, 2001, 12:11 = PM, =3D Randy=3D20 Runyon wrote:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>Darn good question. Does anyone recall reading the anecdote about = =3D   G.F.Handel, in which he was visiting a church and was invited to "play = =3D them=3D20 out" on the organ at the end of divine service, and improvised so well = =3D that=3D20 the parishioners, by and large, stayed to listen. The resident =3D organist, then=3D20 exclaimed, "No, no, Mr. Handel, that is not how it is done." And slid = =3D onto the=3D20 bench and began to play. People immediately left in droves. "_That_, =3D sir, is=3D20 how you play them out, " he said, =3D beamingly.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C0A038.2D316B00--