PipeChat Digest #1737 - Monday, January 1, 2001
 
Responsorial Psalms with Organ
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Pascha nostrum
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Psalmody
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Pascha nostrum
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
MacFarlane --- Christ Our Passover
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
 

(back) Subject: Responsorial Psalms with Organ From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:36:36 EST     --part1_b9.a26d517.27814734_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   I am very interested in which settings/composers are used in = different=3D20 parishes around our country and abroad (for those in Canada and beyond). = A=3D20 mix has been used at the Shrine through the years, most notably Geleneau = in=3D20 past decades and more recently the "Lectionary Psalms" of Mich=3DC3=3DA9l = Guimon=3D t, and=3D20 we have now learned the art of singing Anglican Chant psalms which are = very=3D20 adaptable to Roman Catholic Liturgy. =3D20   The funny part is that the clergy and congregation are singing the=3D20 responsorial verse more robustly than they did the Guimont or Geleneau = and=3D20 the choir sounds magnificent on them. We also use Plainsong chant = during=3D20 Advent and Lent so we do have a variety going. I know that several of = you=3D20 here, as well as my assistant, had turned me on to the Anglican Chant=3D20 psalmody as you used it in your parishes. =3D20   It is to the point that several other musicians in our Archdiocese = are=3D20 seeking information on sources and training from us on how to use and=3D20 implement this form of Responsorial Psalm in their own parishes. The = choir=3D20 has reacted very positively and enthusiastically- I guess they hear and = sens=3D e=3D20 how beautiful they sound on them. So much can be done with the organ = and=3D20 alternating the verses between men, women, a capella, accompanied etc.   And before the flame war starts, and hopefully it won't, please remember = tha=3D t=3D20 Anglican Chants are a FORM of composition just as Gregorian Chant is. = They=3D20 are not specifically sanctioned BY and FOR the Church of England and are = ver=3D y=3D20 adaptable to the Roman Church. After all- they are not trite or = sing-songy=3D20 and they were specifically conceived for choirs and organs in = Liturgical=3D20 usage!   But I am curious as to what is being used out there. Thanks and Happy = New=3D20 Year to everyone (as we are in process of filing away the Christmas music = an=3D d=3D20 already thinking to Lent and Easter! Egads!).   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D   --part1_b9.a26d517.27814734_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">I am very interested = in which=3D20=3D settings/composers are used in different <BR>parishes around our country = and=3D abroad (for those in Canada and beyond). &nbsp;A <BR>mix has been used at = t=3D he Shrine through the years, most notably Geleneau in <BR>past decades and = m=3D ore recently the "Lectionary Psalms" of Mich=3DC3=3DA9l Guimont, and = <BR>we have=3D now learned the art of singing Anglican Chant psalms which are very = <BR>ada=3D ptable to Roman Catholic Liturgy. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The funny part is that the clergy and congregation are singing the = <BR>r=3D esponsorial verse more robustly than they did the Guimont or Geleneau and = <B=3D R>the choir sounds magnificent on them. &nbsp;We also use Plainsong chant = du=3D ring <BR>Advent and Lent so we do have a variety going. &nbsp;I know that = se=3D veral of you <BR>here, as well as my assistant, had turned me on to the = Angl=3D ican Chant <BR>psalmody as you used it in your parishes. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>It is to the point that several other musicians in our Archdiocese are = <=3D BR>seeking information on sources and training from us on how to use and = <BR=3D >implement this form of Responsorial Psalm in their own parishes. = &nbsp;The=3D20=3D choir <BR>has reacted very positively and enthusiastically- I guess they = hea=3D r and sense <BR>how beautiful they sound on them. &nbsp;So much can be done=3D20=3D with the organ and <BR>alternating the verses between men, women, a = capella,=3D accompanied etc. <BR> <BR>And before the flame war starts, and hopefully it won't, please = remember=3D that <BR>Anglican Chants are a FORM of composition just as Gregorian = Chant=3D20=3D is. &nbsp;They <BR>are not specifically sanctioned BY and FOR the Church = of=3D20=3D England and are very <BR>adaptable to the Roman Church. &nbsp;After all- = the=3D y are not trite or sing-songy <BR>and they were specifically conceived for = c=3D hoirs and organs in Liturgical <BR>usage! <BR> <BR>But I am curious as to what is being used out there. &nbsp;Thanks and = Ha=3D ppy New <BR>Year to everyone (as we are in process of filing away the = Christ=3D mas music and <BR>already thinking to Lent and Easter! &nbsp;Egads!). <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR>Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) <BR>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non = confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b9.a26d517.27814734_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Pascha nostrum From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:47:13 -0800     --------------2681DA676091A895990EAFAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by = laxmls02.socal.rr.com id f012jo028442   It's by Frederick Schilling ... G. Schirmer, copyright about 1880 (grin) .... long out of print, of course.   But the BIG whompy-gompy one is by MacFarlane, for organ, brass, harp, timpani and a cast of thousands (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/31/00 8:22:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> Before Mass - Christ Our Passover - this was the one I'd been trying >> to >> find for two years that showed up in a stack of old choir music over >> the >> summer ... Victorian potboiler, but my 75-year-old mezzo wanted to >> sing >> it "one more time before I die", and I'm happy to accommodate her >> (the >> singing, not the dying) (grin). Don't remember the composer ... it's >> not >> the MacFarlane. >> > > I'd be very interested in which setting of "Christ Our Passover" this > is. > Please advise. Thanks! > > SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music > THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI > (Geo. Kilgen & Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) > Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) > =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, > fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D   --------------2681DA676091A895990EAFAF Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by = laxmls02.socal.rr.com id f012jo028442   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> It's by Frederick Schilling ... G. Schirmer, copyright about 1880 (grin) .... long out of print, of course. <p>But the BIG whompy-gompy one is by MacFarlane, for organ, brass, harp, timpani and a cast of thousands (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3D3DCITE><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font = color=3D3D"#0000=3D A0"><font size=3D3D-1>In a message dated 12/31/00 8:22:59 PM Eastern Standard = Time,</font></font><=3D /font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:</font></font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-L=3D EFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D3D"Arial"><fon=3D t color=3D3D"#000000"><font size=3D3D-1>Before Mass - Christ Our Passover - this was the one I'd been trying = to</font></=3D font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Arial"><font color=3D3D"#000000"><font = size=3D3D-1>find for=3D two years that showed up in a stack of old choir music over = the</font></font>=3D </font> <br><font face=3D3D"Arial"><font color=3D3D"#000000"><font = size=3D3D-1>summer .=3D ... Victorian potboiler, but my 75-year-old mezzo wanted to sing</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Arial"><font color=3D3D"#000000"><font size=3D3D-1>it = "one =3D more time before I die", and I'm happy to accommodate her = (the</font></font></=3D font> <br><font face=3D3D"Arial"><font color=3D3D"#000000"><font = size=3D3D-1>singing,=3D not the dying) (grin). Don't remember the composer ... it's = not</font></font>=3D </font> <br><font face=3D3D"Arial"><font color=3D3D"#000000"><font size=3D3D-1>the = MacF=3D arlane.</font></font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote>   <p><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>I=3D 'd be very interested in which setting of "Christ Our Passover" this = is.</font>=3D </font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D Please advise.&nbsp; Thanks!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1><=3D b>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</b>, Principal Organist and Director of = Music</font></font></=3D font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D (Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, = 1933)</font></=3D font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, = 1928)</font></fo=3D nt></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D &acirc;&euro;=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens,</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D3D-1>=3D fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non = confundar.&acirc;&euro;=3D9D</font></font></fon=3D t></blockquote> </html>   --------------2681DA676091A895990EAFAF--    
(back) Subject: Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:00:57 -0800   To my knowledge, Anglican chant first swam the Tiber when the Summer School of Liturgical Music at St. Joseph's College in Rennsaler (sp?) Indiana led by Father Eugene Lindusky put out a Proper book in which the English words were set to simple Antiphonale melodies, but they were also pointed for use with Anglican chant, and a card with Anglican chants in the eight modes (or related major/minor keys) was provided so that you could sing any combination of the chant melodies or Anglican chant in harmony. That was in the late '60s - early '70s ... it was quite popular in the midwest.   Of course, historically, Anglican chant started life as composed fauxbourdons for use with the Gregorian psalm-tones and the Gregorian Psalter in Latin ... at the English Reformation, first the Gregorian melody disappeared from the tenor part; over time the passing notes and rhythms were smoothed out to what we have today. I notice that the most recent editions are restoring some of the rhythmic interest, and the passing tones.   I have had no trouble teaching my people to sing Psalms to Anglican chant, PROVIDING that I use speech-rhythm, rather than the old "Cathedral Bump-And-Thump" Stainer pointing, with its many double notes one single syllables, etc.   I simply underline the syllable that begins the mediation and cadence .... if the rhythm of the words is natural, no further pointing is necessary. Occasionally on VERY extended mediations and cadences where the words call for the maximum allowable number of redundant notes, I *will* put slurs under the syllables that go with each note in groups of twos and threes.   After three years of writing it out in full for the CHOIR, I think they could probably do it NOW from just the pointing. I think trying to teach choirs to read pointing and sing in harmony is probably what killed off singing the Psalter in this country in Anglican churches (grin). I also started out writing out the tunes in full for each verse for the congregation, but ALSO including the pointing so they associated the notes with the marks; then gradually I weaned them away from it; I could probably do the same with the choir, but we don't have the rehearsal time and I DO have the time to write them out, so I do.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 22:07:34 EST     --part1_d5.6ecd90.27814e76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 12/31/00 10:00:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > After three years of writing it out in full for the CHOIR, I think they > could probably do it NOW from just the pointing. I think trying to teach > choirs to read pointing and sing in harmony is probably what killed off > singing the Psalter in this country in Anglican churches (grin).=3D20   Not necessarily- mine really get into it actually. They realize how = very=3D20 important singing the Psalm and other parts of the Liturgy are- after = all=3D20 that is their primary responsibility as a parish choir- leading the people = i=3D n=3D20 the sung portions of the Liturgy. THEN come the anthems and motets = or=3D20 "performance" aspects. But the Liturgy first and foremost!       > started out writing out the tunes in full for each verse for the > congregation, but ALSO including the pointing so they associated the > notes with the marks; then gradually I weaned them away from it; I could > probably do the same with the choir, but we don't have the rehearsal >=3D20     Well- we MAKE time and I use Sibelius (to heck with Finale- tyou need=3D20 muiltiple doctorates and a piolot's liscense to use that stuff anyway!)   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D     --part1_d5.6ecd90.27814e76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated = 12/31/00 10=3D :00:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">After three years of = writin=3D g it out in full for the CHOIR, I think they <BR>could probably do it NOW from just the pointing. I think trying to = teach <BR>choirs to read pointing and sing in harmony is probably what killed = off <BR>singing the Psalter in this country in Anglican churches (grin). = </FONT>=3D <FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D =3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Not necessarily- mine really get into it actually. = &nbsp;The=3D y realize how very <BR>important singing the Psalm and other parts of the = Li=3D turgy are- after all <BR>that is their primary responsibility as a parish = ch=3D oir- leading the people in <BR>the sung portions of the Liturgy. = &nbsp;THEN=3D20=3D come the anthems and motets or <BR>"performance" aspects. &nbsp;But the = Litu=3D rgy first and foremost! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>I also <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid;=3D20=3D MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">started out = writing=3D20=3D out the tunes in full for each verse for the <BR>congregation, but ALSO including the pointing so they associated the <BR>notes with the marks; then gradually I weaned them away from it; I = could <BR>probably do the same with the choir, but we don't have the rehearsal <BR>time and I DO have the time to write them out, so I do.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Well- we MAKE time and I use Sibelius (to heck with Finale- tyou need = <B=3D R>muiltiple doctorates and a piolot's liscense to use that stuff anyway!) <BR> <BR>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR>Staff House Organist, THE FOX THEATRE, Detroit, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) <BR>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_d5.6ecd90.27814e76_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Psalmody From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:46:19 -0800   Scott, we're in agreement about Finale (grin) ... I have Sibelius also, and it took me all of two weeks to get it up and running ... I'd installed Finale TWICE before and given up on it, particulary because of how hard it was to input non-metrical chant.   As to the psalmody, it's not a matter of what's important ... I spend FAR more time on the Propers and the Ordinary than I do on anthems and motets ... but we DO sing the full Propers, to fairly fancy settings (the chant melodies, fauxbourdons, Griesbacher), and that takes rehearsal time too. My choir consists of 3-2-2-3 on most Sundays, all volunteers ... they all read, and they rehearse on the order of three hours a week, but it just saves me oodles of rehearsal time to go ahead and write out the Psalm for them ... they whip through it once or twice, and it's learned. That DOES leave us more time to work on anthems.   I've STILL not found psalmody for the EUCHARIST that I'm entirely satisfied with ... we switch off among Anglican chant, Gregorian psalm-tones, and Gregorian psalm-tones alternating with fauxbourdons, but NONE of it wears well for more than a season. I WISH somebody would write through-composed settings for unison choir and independent organ part of about the difficulty (but not the style, necessarily) of the Griesbacher Propers ... even their late-romantic German chromaticism is more interesting for the choir since although the style is the same, the pieces are through-composed and change every week.   I used the Gelineau Psalter with Worship II for a number of years, but I found that the tunes for the Sunday Psalms repeated too often.   Seems to me that the Mass Psalms are fertile ground for WORTHY new compositions.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Pascha nostrum From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:22:26 +0800 (CST)       > But the BIG whompy-gompy one is by MacFarlane, for organ, brass, harp, > timpani and a cast of thousands (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud >     Not necessarily....     I heard the Mac Farlane "Christ Our Passover" sung by the boys choir at the then non-coed Episcopal High School for Boys at the 9:30 A. M. Easter =   1970, I believe... under the direction of Mrs. Mary Camm Adams, with Mrs. Edna Row, organist, at the Alexandria, Virignia VIrginia Episcopal Seminary Chapel's then 1900 Adam Stein tracker organ...     The choir sang in unison as two groups (high voice, for those whose = voices who had not changed, and lower voice, for those whose voices had changed)... and every now and then during the anthem the high voice group and low voice group alternated between each other...     Yes, there was brass (I think two trumpets and two trombones)... Mrs. Adams liked to use brass on Easter if she had a big enough choir at whatever church she was playing.... But the brass was not essential... They would have sounded just as wonderful that Sunday if there had been no brass musicians present...     And yes, the score does call for harp... Hmmm.... could a guitar be used to take the place of the harp?     Best wishes to all...       Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member ...    
(back) Subject: MacFarlane --- Christ Our Passover From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:35:07 +0800 (CST)   Hello, List....   Please excuse the "revised edition" of my previous post... I forgot to change the subject line to a more suitable subject... and I needed to change the wording in some of the sentences in the previous post....   M. B.   ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:22:26 +0800 (CST) From: flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw To: quilisma@socal.rr.com Cc: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Pascha nostrum       > But the BIG whompy-gompy one is by MacFarlane, for organ, brass, harp, > timpani and a cast of thousands (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud >   -----------------------------------------     Um, not necessarily....     I heard the Mac Farlane "Christ Our Passover" sung by the boys choir at the then non-coed Episcopal High School for Boys at the 9:30 A. M. Easter =   1970, I believe... under the direction of Mrs. Mary Camm Adams, with Mrs. Edna Row, organist, at the Alexandria, Virignia VIrginia Episcopal Seminary Chapel's then 1900 Adam Stein tracker organ...     The choir, which only practiced one night a week for about two hours, sang that anthem that Easter in unison as two groups (high voice, for those whose voices who had not changed, and lower voice, for those whose voices had changed)... and every now and then during the anthem the high voice group and low voice group alternated between each other...     Yes, there was brass (I think two trumpets and two trombones)... Mrs. Adams liked to use brass on Easter if she had a big enough choir at whatever church she was playing and if she could find competent players... And yes, every now and then the brass would come in and accompany both the organ and chorus... but not for the whole anthem...     But the brass was not essential... That choir would have sounded just as wonderful that Sunday if there had been no brass musicians present...     And yes, the score does call for harp... Hmmm.... could a guitar be used to take the place of the harp?     Best wishes to all...       Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member ...      
(back) Subject: Re: Responsorial Psalms with Organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:20:28 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002F_01C07391.06A06140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Well, now, Scott and Bud, my Anglican chant is not nearly as =3D sophisticated as Bud's, but follows the basic tune line of about six of = =3D the basic chant composers found in the 1982 Episcopal Hymnal and/or the = =3D Anglican Chant Psalter. I use Noteworthy Composer, which is probably =3D not as neat as Finale or Sibelius and not as nifty as whatever prints =3D out in the 1982 Episcopal Hymnal service music section, but apparently =3D is fairly readable by the congregation for following, inasmuch as they =3D are singing it. Furthermore, it is cheaper as shareware and more user =3D friendly than the other two - I don't have time to take a college course = =3D on how to use the others. I write out the Psalm and tune each week for = =3D them as an insert to the bulletin, and am willing to try to figure out =3D how to copy you with it if you are interested. You may not want to use = =3D it, but it works for my congregation sans choir.   Cheers and happy new year,   Glenda Sutton (who had a little celebration with the folks down the hill = =3D and managed to drive through the pastures and get home without mishap - = =3D hey, I managed to open and close a pasture gate, in sub-freezing =3D temperatures, instead of driving through it. No snow yet - darn!)   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002F_01C07391.06A06140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dutf-8" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Well, now, Scott and Bud, my Anglican = =3D chant is not=3D20 nearly as sophisticated as Bud's, but follows the basic tune line of =3D about six=3D20 of the basic chant composers found in the 1982 Episcopal Hymnal and/or =3D the=3D20 Anglican Chant Psalter.&nbsp; I use Noteworthy Composer, which is =3D probably not=3D20 as neat as Finale or Sibelius and not as nifty as whatever prints out in = =3D the=3D20 1982 Episcopal Hymnal service music section, but apparently is fairly =3D readable=3D20 by the congregation for following, inasmuch as they are singing =3D it.&nbsp;=3D20 Furthermore, it is cheaper as shareware and more user friendly than the = =3D other=3D20 two - I don't have time to take a college course on how to use the =3D others.&nbsp;=3D20 I write out the Psalm and tune each week for them as an insert to the =3D bulletin,=3D20 and am willing to try to figure out how to copy you with it if you = are=3D20 interested.&nbsp; You may not want to use it, but it works for my =3D congregation=3D20 sans choir.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers and happy new = year,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda Sutton (who had a little =3D celebration with=3D20 the folks down the hill and managed to drive through the pastures and =3D get home=3D20 without mishap - hey, I managed to open and close a pasture gate, in=3D20 sub-freezing temperatures, instead of driving through it.&nbsp; No snow = =3D yet -=3D20 darn!)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002F_01C07391.06A06140--