PipeChat Digest #1740 - Wednesday, January 3, 2001
 
Fw: Cinema organs (Barton)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Fw: Cinema organs (Barton)
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
new casavant organ
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Cinema organs (Barton)
  by "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net>
Re: Cinema organs (Barton)
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: translation, please
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Purely social concerns
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
My Music List
  by "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net>
Re: My Music List
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: My Music List
  by "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net>
Re: translation, please
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Cinema organs (Barton)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Solemnity of the Circumcision - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA  (X-p
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Visiting Cincinatti
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Fw: Cinema organs (Barton) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:03:03 -0500   Magnet boards are actually the bottom boards on unit chests. They hold one magnet per pipe on the chest (unification is achieved thru relay wiring). Plywood is bad because of the possible and probable "runs" between layers = of laminated wood in ply, thus creating "bleeds" from one note to another. Solid wood in best used for bottom magnet boards. Even high-grade cabinet ply is not "run"-free between layers (plys). Wicks uses/used plywood for their top (toe) boards on their chests. I'm = sure these have been checked and sealed to avoid runs between notes.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Cinema organs (Barton)     > In a message dated 1/1/01 8:34:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dutchorgan@svs.net writes: > > << > Marr & Colton used plywood for their magnet boards. Very bad. >> > > Out of curiosity, as I am not a Theater Organ expert or familiar with = the > works of Marr and Colton, why was this bad? And what is a magnet board? > > Alan B > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Cinema organs (Barton) From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:00:54 EST   In a message dated 1/2/01 7:09:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:   << Magnet boards are actually the bottom boards on unit chests. >>   For a real thrill leave a Moeller bottom board out in the rain for a = couple of weeks. It is nothing short of amazing that Moellers don't develop runs = as their bottom boards dried out as they are a series of laminations. I have great respect for the quality of work turned out by the old Moeller = factory. Actually a number of companies made bottom boards this way. Moellers are = the only ones that I have left out in the rain. However, the reason that I ask = is really about the quality of the plywood. There is plywood and then there = is plywood. Not all is created equal. Unfortunately, the word plywood has = come to mean something cheap and junky. I can get Baltic Birch plywood from my =   suppliers that is truly void free and is very close to being steel plate. = I don't think this stuff has been available in this quality until recently. But, if I was going to use it for anything that had channeling I would = flood it with shellac or Lacquer to prevent runs.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: new casavant organ From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:59:25 -0500   I just read an article in our local newspaper about a new Casavant organ being built for a church in Alexandria, Virginia. Anyone know anything = about this?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Cinema organs (Barton) From: "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:47:54 -0500           > You obviously don't have a copy of Dave Junchen's "Encyclopedia of the > American Theatre Organ". According to his evaluation, Marr & Coltons = were of > such poor quality, they wouldn't even be on the list. He doesn't have = much > good to say about them.://END QUOTE   Hi Tom.   I actually do own all three encyclopedia books, the first two by Junchen = and the third by Kauffman. There is no doubt that Marr and Coltons building standards of chests , boards, relays and magnets were not the best = standards in the business. Both founders of Marr & Colton used to be employees at = the Wurlitzer factory, so it surprises me that they did not learn about = anything regarding chest building before hand. However I am speaking of the tonal quality of the pipes. Moller instruments were also not up to standards = when it came to design of consoles and chests. They had bulky actions and were not the most efficient according to some other builders. In all Wurlitzer made the best theatre organs. But as for the sound, its my opinion that Moller was second best when it came to tonal quality of the pipes.   As for David Junchen, I never knew the man personally, but I am sure his "opinions" about the way a theatre organ should sound had seeped into his books. When it comes to revoicing pipes, and how large an instrument = should be, I do NOT value his opinion. Every theatre organ no matter how large = or small, had its own personality and its own charm. The way in which they were originally voiced by the manufacturer, is they way they should stay. Junchens instruments such as the Sanfillipo Wurlitzer, many of the Pizza Pipe organs he revoiced, the Wilcox Wurlitzer and many others, sound all = the same. No midrange in the tones, more "goaty" sounding ranks, and = oversized instruments. There is realistically no need for a cinema organ to exceed over 40 ranks. Most Wurlitzers heard in early recordings were an average = of 22 ranks.   I have nothing against any theatre organ owner desiring to add ranks in order to increase the instruments possibilities tone wise. But these oversized instruments are in my opinion, not necessarily a new innovation = in theatre organ sound, but rather an extention of excess and ego. Less smaller cinema organs exist today because of this un-necessary excess of = ego and greed.      
(back) Subject: Re: Cinema organs (Barton) From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 12:29:26 EST   Chris:   Regarding Marr & Colton quality, I can't speak from personal experience. Never seen one; never heard one. I was just making an evaluation based on Dave's book.   I agree with you that 80 rank theatre organs are excessive and = unnecessary.   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: translation, please From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 2 Jan 2001 10:50:40 -0800   Randy,   If you're looking for some words to fit to the music, the Winkworth text = (I wouldn't call it a "translation") might be OK. If you're interested in = what the original words mean, then it's not, by a long shot.   Dick      
(back) Subject: Purely social concerns From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 15:45:49 -0500   Had the delightful pleasure (after a couple of cancellations, etc., in the past six months) of a visit from former fellow lister Mick Perrier, of Birmingham, England, this afternoon.   He made the Mighty Walcker sing wonderfully (using hands and feet but nothing on the rack) for the better part of an hour, and we went and had a nice kebab/salad at the local Yemeni restaurant.   He's a thoroughly enjoyable chap, and I recommend that you get him to stop in for a visit any time he's in your area--and that you stop in to check = out his parish (St. Mary's, Moseley) next time you're in Jolly Old.   Alan      
(back) Subject: My Music List From: "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:51:23 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C074DC.3D5FF5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Here is my list from this past Sunday, Dec.31 and my music for this =3D Sunday, Jan. 7.     Dec.31 Prelude: "Shepherd's Pipe Carol"(from the Wood Works for = =3D Christmas) Organ Settings of Yuletide Carols- Dale Wood=3D20   Introit: "Angels we have Heard on High"(Harp & =3D Dulcimer) =3D20 Offertory: "Pastorale" No.7(from the Partita on Saint =3D Anne)-Paul Manz   Anthem: "Canon in D"(Harp & Dulcimer)- Pachelbel   Postlude: Chorale on "O God our Help"-C. Hubert H. Parry This piece was very well liked.     Jan.7 This Sunday we will celebrate White Gift Service ( Service And =3D Substance ) " March of the Wise Men"- by Harvey B. Gaul, Transcribed by =3D Charles Black for organ will be=3D20 the highlight number for all three service's this Sunday. This is my favorite piece to do for White Gift, we pick out Three = =3D Wise Men to do a part during=3D20 the Performance of this piece. And I use the Zimbelsterns on the = =3D organ throughout the whole piece to represent the Star of Christ( the Star in the = =3D East.)     Prelude : * "The Christ Child"- R. G. Hailing   Offertory : * "Noel"- D'Aquin   Anthem : * "The March of The Wise Men"-Gaul/Black   Postlude: * "Of the Father's Love Begotten"(Divinum =3D Mysterium)-Miles Martin   *All these piece are from (The St. Cecilia Series of Christmas Music) =3D for organ,compiled by John Holler/ Set 2     Jerry Marshall Organist & Choir Director United Methodist Church, Ohio   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C074DC.3D5FF5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4308.2900" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Here is my list from this past = Sunday, =3D Dec.31 and=3D20 my music for this Sunday,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jan. 7.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dec.31</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial = size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Prelude:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D "Shepherd's Pipe=3D20 Carol"(from the Wood Works for Christmas)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Organ Settings of Yuletide Carols- = Dale =3D Wood=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Introit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 "Angels we have Heard on High"(Harp &amp; Dulcimer)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Offertory:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;"Pastorale"=3D20 No.7(from the Partita on Saint Anne)-Paul Manz</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Anthem:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 "Canon in D"(Harp &amp; Dulcimer)- Pachelbel</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Postlude:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Chorale = =3D on "O=3D20 God our Help"-C. Hubert H. Parry</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This=3D20 piece was very well liked.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jan.7</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This = =3D Sunday we will=3D20 celebrate White Gift Service ( Service And Substance )</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; " = March =3D of the Wise=3D20 Men"- by Harvey B. Gaul, Transcribed by Charles Black for organ will = be=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;the=3D20 highlight number for all three service's this Sunday.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This = is =3D my favorite=3D20 piece to do for White Gift, we pick out Three Wise Men to do a part =3D during=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D the=3D20 Performance of this piece. And I use the Zimbelsterns on the organ=3D20 throughout</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D the whole=3D20 piece to represent the Star of Christ( the Star in the =3D East.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Prelude=3D20 :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*&nbsp; "The Christ =3D Child"- R.=3D20 G. Hailing</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D Offertory=3D20 :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*&nbsp; "Noel"- =3D D'Aquin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = Anthem=3D20 :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* "The March of The =3D Wise=3D20 Men"-Gaul/Black</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Postlude:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;*&nbsp; "Of the = =3D   Father's Love Begotten"(Divinum Mysterium)-Miles Martin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>*All these piece are from (The St. = =3D Cecilia Series=3D20 of Christmas Music) for organ,compiled by John Holler/ Set =3D 2</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jerry Marshall</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Organist &amp; Choir =3D Director</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>United Methodist Church,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ohio</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C074DC.3D5FF5A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: My Music List From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:34:13 -0500     >Jerry Marshall >Organist & Choir Director >United Methodist Church, >Ohio > Thanks for posting your music lists, Jerry, but where in Ohio? Or is it the state church? ;-)   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: My Music List From: "Jerald Marshall" <marshallduet@ameritech.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:37:14 -0500   Ooops Sorry! United Methodist Church-Painesville, Ohio Jerry Marshall, Organist & Choir ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: My Music List     > > >Jerry Marshall > >Organist & Choir Director > >United Methodist Church, > >Ohio > > > Thanks for posting your music lists, Jerry, but where in Ohio? Or is it > the state church? ;-) > > Randy Runyon > organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati > runyonr@muohio.edu > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: translation, please From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:48:38 -0500   >Randy, > >If you're looking for some words to fit to the music, the Winkworth text >(I wouldn't call it a "translation") might be OK. If you're interested = in >what the original words mean, then it's not, by a long shot. > >Dick   Well, I'm not seeking to fit words to music, just looking for a literal translation to put in a bulletin note. So if you could give me a prose translation of the first verse, that would be wunderbar!   Paul Gerhardt's original:   1. Zeuch ein zu meinen Toren, Sei meines Herzens Gast. Der du, da ich geboren, Mich neugeboren hast, O hochgeliebter Geist Des Vater und des Sohnes, Mit beiden gleichen Thrones, Mit beiden gleich gepreist!   Here's what Catherine Winkworth did with it:   1. Oh, enter, Lord, Thy temple, Be Thou my spirit's Guest, Who gavest me, the earth-born, A second birth more blest. Thou in the Godhead, Lord, Though here to dwell Thou deignest, Forever equal reignest, Art equally adored.   I do see that she's left out any mention of the Father and the Son, in the sixth line.   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Cinema organs (Barton) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:53:54 -0500   I agree on the excess of theatre organ ranks: 80 IS a bit much -I don't = care HOW much one is trying to impress somebody.   One classic example of an ideal instrument was the (GW/Leslie) Pasadena 3/27? Wurli. Excellent voicing, lots of party favors and choice ranks. A friend near me has a little Louisville Uniphone -2/5- that is the sweetest little instrument I've ever played. The Tampa Theatre 3/12 Wurli is quite enough to fill the 1200-seat house with a nice blending of voices. My own 2/9 Wurli installed in a two-story ranch-type house is very nice with upstairs pipe chambers which blend into the Great Room below with the console and connected piano.   Size isn't everything. :-)   Rick      
(back) Subject: Re: Solemnity of the Circumcision - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA (X-posted) From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:46:14 EST   In a message dated 12/31/00 5:11:51 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << got pictures of the newly-minted tiny blond acolyte extinguishing the LAST candle at the LAST Mass on Westcliff Drive (grin) >>   HMMMM, this sounds interesting.....  
(back) Subject: Visiting Cincinatti From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:23:45 EST   I will be visiting Cincinatti Ohio next week. Any organs in the area I = should be aware of? Please respond privately. Thanks.   Larry L. Wheelock Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55