PipeChat Digest #1742 - Thursday, January 4, 2001
 
Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is?
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Karg-Elert
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: <My webpage photo album update is on this url
  by "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net>
Re: Karg-Elert
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:45:34 -0800   The old rule was that the organ could only be played "in a subdued manner" = to accompany (the chant), and that it must cease when the chant ceased, from = Ash Wednesday through the Gloria in excelsis of Maundy Thursday (after which = it was to cease altogether until the Gloria in excelsis of the Easter Vigil Mass) EXCEPT on Lent IV, Laetare Sunday, when it "could be played in the normal manner."   I've done it both ways ... at Old St. Mary's the choir and the acoustics = were outstanding ... the organ was ENTIRELY silent from Ash Wednesday until the Easter Vigil, and its return was STUNNING. The choir sang motets by way of opening and closing voluntaries. Other places, I've played.   There ARE no rules now in the modern RC church governing the use of the = organ .... I've seen a setting of the Exsultet for organ AND INSTRUMENTS.   Some are of the OPINION that "The Mass is ended, go in peace" is the LAST = thing the congregation should hear ... no recessional hymn, no organ voluntary, whether it's Palm Sunday or not. But that's an OPINION, not a rubric.   I haven't gotten out our Holy Week music to tinker with it yet this year = ... we sing "Christus factus est" for the Gradual to introduce the Passion, and a lovely little folk-like "Why Does He Seem To Be So Sad?" for the Offertory Anthem ... I think we either sing "Vexilla regis" or "Ah! Holy Jesu" for = the recessional, and then I either play nothing or improvise quietly on = whichever hymn it id, AND *tell* the congregation in the service-booklet to "please = leave the church in silence", as we also do in the Maundy Thursday and Good = Friday booklets.   I would say if a closing voluntary IS played on Palm Sunday, it should be subdued ... the Liturgy of the Palms is over, and the Passion has been = sung for the first time. Whatever is played should reflect that.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is? From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:55:20 -0500   isn't the last thing the priest says "the mass is ended, go in the peace = of Christ", instead of "go in peace"? The two are very different. The congregation answers "thanks be to God".   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: To play or not to play...a postlude that is? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:08:33 -0800   Carlo, I haven't been to an English RC Mass in twenty years ... but = friends tell me the priests say pretty much what they want to say, as long as it vaguely resembles what's in the English Sacramentary. What I wrote may = WELL be the old INTERIM translation that was used when the Mass FIRST changed to English.   Cheers,   Bud   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > isn't the last thing the priest says "the mass is ended, go in the peace = of > Christ", instead of "go in peace"? The two are very different. The > congregation answers "thanks be to God". > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Karg-Elert From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:45:12 -0500   is there any truth to something I heard about Karg-Elert not playing his = own compositions because they were too difficult?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: <My webpage photo album update is on this url From: "Chris Attison" <cattison@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:28:02 -0500   Hey great pics Dan...Good work!       ----- Original Message ----- From: DanielW Hopkins <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:16 PM Subject: <My webpage photo album update is on this url     > Hey there > Here is what all of yas have been looking for<G> > An updated pic page of my Pipe Organ ,THere you will find pics of my Christmas holiday s and lots of new pics of my Pipe ORgan, good quality ones,also additions I have been making ,and some never been seen before > pipes of the pipe organ pictures > Its been a long time coming and now > here it is > picture 22 and on are the new ones > = http://homepages.go.com/~danielswebpagelockeportnovascotia/albums/album1/ > > Danielwh > '2000' E. Power Biggs Fellow Recipient > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Karg-Elert From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:41:56 EST   Hi Carlo:   Max Reger also wrote difficult pieces to confound Karl Straube, whom he didn't consider a great musician. Max and Sigfreid were a pair. I do believe it was Sigfreid who came to the US late in his career and played his own compositions poorly. Both of these guys literally kept the ink shops in business. One of the Hapsburg monarchs actually told Mozart he wrote too many notes. Both Max and Sigfreid certainly outdid even Mozart.   IMHO even Max Reger was hard pressed to play his own music too. This might be an interesting thread to follow up on. Most of these pieces are interminably long, concert pieces. The pages were black with notes. It's interesting to note that Karl Straube was the focus of most of this, and they were written to embarass him. He the trooper that he was played them anyway, and probably better than Max.   Regards,   Ron Severin