PipeChat Digest #1762 - Thursday, January 11, 2001
 
Indianapolis Recital 1/17
  by "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonahall@indiana.edu>
LA DOBSON one last time
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Anatomy of a Strike
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: What Has The Situation Come To?
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: What Has The Situation Come To?
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: An Interesting Situation
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Fwd: Attn: "Pipedreams"
  by "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net>
Re: Souther Shape-note Singing
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Reminder-Karl Cole Plays Rochester Wurlitzer this Sunday afternoon (cross
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Feb 18 Severance Tickets
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Relationship between Moller and Trivo - any?
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Our Choir's Rome Trip and Organs (x post)
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Moller's bankruptcy AND LA archdiocese cans Dobson?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
OFF-TOPIC (if you like) favorite Italian church stories
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Indianapolis Recital 1/17 From: "Jonathan B. Hall" <jonahall@indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:54:29 -0500 (EST)     I have realized that I have neglected to post anything regarding my upcoming recital in Indianapolis.     Next Wednesday, January 17, 7 PM, I shall present an organ recital at Fairview Presbyterian Church, 4609 North Capitol Avenue, in Indianapolis. This is a lovely, New-England style building with a small but very fine Schantz organ.   The program will be fairly similar to the NYC one I have already posted for Jan. 28--except that the Creston sax/organ piece will not be played. The recital is in celebration of the organ's newly-installed Oboe stop. Naturally, the Franck op. 18 will be on the program!   This is the church where I served for three happy years as a doctoral student of Marilyn Keiser's at Indiana University, Bloomington. It is wonderful to be invited back, to get to know my successor better and re-connect with old friends and colleagues. Fairview is a happy, friendly, growing congregation that supports music. They're on the web at fairviewpresbyterian.org.   If you're in the Indy area next week, I'd be delighted to greet you at this program.     Best,   Jonathan B. Hall, FAGO    
(back) Subject: LA DOBSON one last time From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:10:59 -0800       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of John Panning And to answer Mr. Terry's concerns: many pipes have been retained from the St. Vibiana instrument, and are being revised for use in the new organ.   *******************   Bravo, John! I feel a need to say publically that I applaud this creative recycling of previous material, and other than financial issues, I am less worried when the mechanism is all new. I just hate to see pipes melted = down or worse that can be creatively re-used!   Cheers! Randy Terry    
(back) Subject: Anatomy of a Strike From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:50:42 EST   For any of those interested in complete details of Moller's demise, a = lengthy article concerning this can be found at:   www.venable.com/newsletters/wlu/9904/anatomystrike.htm   Tom  
(back) Subject: Re: What Has The Situation Come To? From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:04:36 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008A_01C07C01.57787EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Groan!!!!!! Thanks needed a chuckle. Just got word that a co-worker's 13 year old =3D son shot himself. The note said the word's fucked up. She found him =3D when she went home for her lunch break. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person=3D20 my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Gamelpt@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: What Has The Situation Come To?     Organist and Church Custodian: A position which one must mind their =3D "keys and=3D20 pews"!=3D20 John Gamel=3D20 Philadelphia, PA=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008A_01C07C01.57787EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Groan!!!!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Thanks needed a chuckle.&nbsp; Just got word that = a=3D20 co-worker's 13 year old son shot himself.&nbsp; The note said the word's = =3D fucked=3D20 up.&nbsp; She found him when she went home for her lunch =3D break.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>William D. "Bill" Babcock<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:WDBabcock@msn.com">WDBabcock@msn.com</A><BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us">wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us</A>= =3D <BR>My=3D20 goal is to be the person <BR>my dog thinks I am.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGamelpt@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Gamelpt@aol.com">Gamelpt@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 10, = =3D 2001 8:31=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: What Has The =3D Situation Come=3D20 To?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Organist = =3D and Church=3D20 Custodian: A position which one must mind their "keys and <BR>pews"! =3D <BR>John=3D20 Gamel <BR>Philadelphia, PA</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_008A_01C07C01.57787EE0--      
(back) Subject: Re: What Has The Situation Come To? From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:11:24 -0600   In some word processors the cents sign is available under insert symbol. I admit that doesn't help in email. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: RE: What Has The Situation Come To?     > Well, as a one time organist in RC churches this doesn't surprise me. So for > what my $.02 is worth (why don't computer keyboards have a cents sign?) it > wouldn't surprise me if it is a RC church. Fortunately they don't need a > cook too! > Robert Colasacco > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul R. Swank [mailto:prswank@bellatlantic.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:38 PM > > To: PipeChat > > Subject: What Has The Situation Come To? > > > > > > Here's a classified ad from today's local community paper: > > > > "HELP WANTED > > > > ORGANIST AND CUSTODIAN for duties in church, located in the > > heart of (name > > of community). Salary negotiable. Mail resume to P.O. Box XXX." > > > > Hopefully, the church wants two people, or we had better be > > alert to having > > our job descriptions expanded. There is no indication of > > what denomination > > the church is, and they apparently don't want to divulge it > > openly, or the > > ad would have stated it. > > > > Maybe I'll apply, just for fun. And get my dustpan and broom ready. > > > > Paul R. Swank > > Organist/Choirmaster (Retired) > > Christ Lutheran Church-LCMS > > Baltimore, MD. > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: An Interesting Situation From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:14:23 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E3_01C07C02.B53FA5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Do a repertoire (?) class on Reger that should give you enough exercise. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person=3D20 my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Rebekah Ingram=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 9:58 AM Subject: An Interesting Situation     Greetings all,   I have an interesting situation here, which requires input. This is my = =3D final semester at SU ("Thank gawd!" as they say here), and I have one =3D credit to fill. I would like to take a PhysEd course as I never had =3D before. However, my options all seem to fall on Thursday nights, which, = =3D as we all know, is not really a viable option for an organist/choir =3D director.   I really don't think I want to mess with a schedule that's been =3D tradition for 25 years, but this -is- my last semester, and I -do- need = =3D the credit.=3D20   Just curious as to what other people's opinions are on this subject.   This could only happen to -me-!   -Rebekah   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E3_01C07C02.B53FA5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Do a repertoire (?) class on Reger that should give = =3D you enough=3D20 exercise.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>William D. "Bill" Babcock<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:WDBabcock@msn.com">WDBabcock@msn.com</A><BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us">wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us</A>= =3D <BR>My=3D20 goal is to be the person <BR>my dog thinks I am.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Drringram@syr.edu href=3D3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu">Rebekah = =3D Ingram</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 11, =3D 2001 9:58=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> An Interesting =3D Situation</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Greetings all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I have an interesting situation here, which =3D requires input.=3D20 This is my final semester at SU ("Thank gawd!" as they say here), and = =3D I have=3D20 one credit to fill. I would like to take a PhysEd course as I never =3D had=3D20 before. However, my options all seem to fall on Thursday nights, =3D which, as we=3D20 all know, is not really a viable option&nbsp;for an organist/choir=3D20 director.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I really don't think I want to mess with a =3D schedule that's=3D20 been tradition for 25 years, but this -is- my last semester, and I =3D -do- need=3D20 the credit. </FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Just curious as to what other people's opinions = =3D are on this=3D20 subject.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>This could only happen to -me-!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00E3_01C07C02.B53FA5C0--      
(back) Subject: Fwd: Attn: "Pipedreams" From: "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:25:27 -0500   Dear Pipechatters, this I got from "Pipedreams" & JMB stands for J. Micheal Barone I Think) ,this is in reference to Severence hall Organ! = It sounds like a wonderful Instrament, & was wondering how many manuals?   Thank's,.Stu Ballinger (1995 OHS EPB Fellow!) >Envelope-to: wa2bss@vh.net >X-Sender: robinjohnson@mpr.org >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:52:48 -0600 >To: wa2bss@vh.net >From: Robin Johnson <robinjohnson@mpr.org> >Subject: Attn: "Pipedreams" > > >>I was there and broadcast it live on the local concert music station >>(WCLV), and will be back in February and March to do the same with >>recitals by Gillian Weir and Thomas Murray. Ultimately, selections from =   >>those will turn up on a PIPEDREAMS show, likely in late spring. >> >>It is 94 ranks, and it sounds lovely. Performance Today mostly talked >>about the organ...and talked over the music they played. For shame! >> >>JMB > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:55:01 -0500 >>>>From: "Stuart L. Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net> >>>>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) >>>>X-Accept-Language: en >>>>To: mail@mpr.org >>>>Subject: Attn: "Pipedreams" >>>> >>>>To whom it may concern, Was wondering if Micheal Barone got to the >>>>rededication of the >>>>E.M.Skinner pipe organ @ Severence Hall ( Clevland, Ohio ) this past >>>>Sat? >>>>I figure that it has to be between 80 & 90 Rank's, & I heard a small >>>>snipit of the rededication on "Performance Today" ( Wed. 01/10/2001 ), >>>>& enjoy "Pipedreams"very >>>>much! >>>>Later,.Stu Ballinger >>>> >>>>(1995 OHS EPB Fellow!) >>>>PS Got to the OHS Convention in Boston, this past August, & went up by >>>>Train, & live >>>>in Poughkeepsie,NY (75 Miles North of NYC!), & listen to "Pipedreams" = on >>>>WMHT/WRHV-FM! My E-mail address:wa2bss@vh.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Souther Shape-note Singing From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 19:26:18 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_010B_01C07C04.5FA90640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   A friend of mine is from that tradition, and if I remember correctly his = =3D origins were a bit "rural" for much in the line of instruments, but they = =3D could sight read SATB harmony to make a music major green with envy. William D. "Bill" Babcock WDBabcock@msn.com wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us My goal is to be the person=3D20 my dog thinks I am. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Rebekah Ingram=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Souther Shape-note Singing     I'm assuming that this was done traditionally a capella, but does =3D anyone know if there are cases of the organ being used here?   -Rebekah   ------=3D_NextPart_000_010B_01C07C04.5FA90640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>A friend of mine is from that tradition, and if I = =3D remember=3D20 correctly his origins were a bit "rural" for much in the line of =3D instruments,=3D20 but they could sight read SATB harmony to make a music major green = with=3D20 envy.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>William D. "Bill" Babcock<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:WDBabcock@msn.com">WDBabcock@msn.com</A><BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us">wbabcock@lansing.lib.il.us</A>= =3D <BR>My=3D20 goal is to be the person <BR>my dog thinks I am.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Drringram@syr.edu href=3D3D"mailto:rringram@syr.edu">Rebekah = =3D Ingram</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 11, =3D 2001 12:34=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Souther Shape-note =3D Singing</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I'm assuming that this was done traditionally a = =3D capella, but=3D20 does anyone know if there are cases of the organ being used =3D here?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>-Rebekah</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_010B_01C07C04.5FA90640--      
(back) Subject: Reminder-Karl Cole Plays Rochester Wurlitzer this Sunday afternoon (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:21:23 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society welcomes Karl Cole to the console of our 4/22 Wurlitzer for his seventh Rochester performance. Karl is currently a resident of Naples, FL but is a native of Syracuse, = our neighboring city to the east. Karl Cole's presentation will be another stellar theater organ musical event.   This January 14th, Sunday afternoon concert at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605 will start at 2:30 p. m. with = tickets at $10 each going on sale at the box office one hour before the concert start.   Driving directions, organ specifications and stoplist, many photographs = and membership information may be found at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ = .. Karl Cole's biography and our concert schedule is also available at our "home on the web." For additional information please feel free to e-mail = me.   We'll be looking for you!   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President        
(back) Subject: Feb 18 Severance Tickets From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:34:24 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   I was very disappointed to find out today that all of the multiple seat tickets for the Feb 18th Gillian Weir concert at Severance Center have been sold out. There are only some scattered single seats available. I have a group of three friends needing adjoining seats for this event. Should any List member have tickets available, please contact me off list.   Thanks Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Relationship between Moller and Trivo - any? From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:57:32 -0600   Alf Zagic, Joe Clipp, Homer Lewis =3D TRIVO, all former Moller employees. If you want to hear a really entertaining story, ask Homer why he left = Moller. I can almost tell it in his words, but it realy should come from him. He = should   write a book about his experiences in the organ business! Roy   Randy Terry wrote:   > I've often heard that Trivo was a very good reed company. Same town. = You > have to wonder if they at least swapped employees around. > > There is a fairly small 1920's Austin in a church outside Birmingham, > Alabama. It is a refugee from some other location. I played it as > installed and the Cornopean was a wheezy, quacky old thing that half the > notes did not work. Several years later I stopped by again on the way = to > the "Iron City," The stop tabs were the same but the Cornopean had = turned > into the most wonderful English style reed with so much character. I > thought it was new. The "Diapason" sure sounded wonderful too and I = thought > my ears were messing with me. I discovered that they had used a "Chimes = mp" > tab as a 4' extension and with the super coupler you had a darn good = 8-4-2 > Principal. and with that reed a wonderful english sound. > > Later I found out that Trivo had rebuilt/revoiced the old Austin reed, = and > Tom Anderson built the new 8' Principal. I think John Hendriksen voiced = the > Principal but I am not sure. > > Anyway...interesting discussion. > > Randy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Our Choir's Rome Trip and Organs (x post) From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:49:24 EST     --part1_58.5b8406d.278fd8c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/11/2001 12:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > BTW they have, as do many italian churches these day, unfortunately, > recorded music playing during "tourist" hours.   What's worse is the use of recorded music playing at Mass. Stuck (a happy sort of stuck) in San Marco, Venice of a Sunday morning a few years ago, because of the rising high water, I heard four Masses. No 1, which began = at 8 a.m. had a real organist playing, with a girls' choir singing the Franck Panis Angelicus in two parts. At the second Mass, an organist played bits = of repertoire competently. At the third Mass, an organist played bits of repertoire INcompetently, seeming to begin each time with the first bars = of well-known pieces, and then drifting off into some outrageously bad improvisation. He was obviously expected to noodle during the distribution = of the Communion, but forgot until the loud, pregnant throat clearing into = the microphone at the altar reminded him. Then, the job was to stop him, for which purpose the priest rapped loudly on the microphone. Ah, but Mass = number four was the best yet - it was drop needle time (this was still the era of =   the LP), so we got bits of organ music with scraping sounds as the needle = was bumped, with an abrupt pause when the clergy reached the altar. The needle =   descended and scraped and ascended many times during that Mass. It really = was excruciating, but no one but us refined ones seemed to even notice it.   We did wonder where all the people came from - how they came and left - as =   any door at street level was blocked by the high water. We later found = that there was a way of going up a flight of stairs and entering and exiting through an adjoining building. The water had receded by the time Mass = number four ended!   I was a bit of a recording freak in those days, and had with me a small = Sony tape recorder. Somewhere, all of this stuff is on two C-90 tapes, if I = could ever find them. I am in the process of moving, in fact, so there is no telling what might turn up!   Cheers,   Malcolm   --part1_58.5b8406d.278fd8c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated = 1/11/2001 12:26:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Tahoma" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">BTW they have, as do many italian churches these day, unfortunately, = <BR>recorded music playing during "tourist" hours.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Tahoma" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What's worse is the use of recorded music playing at Mass. Stuck (a = happy <BR>sort of stuck) in San Marco, Venice of a Sunday morning a few = years ago, <BR>because of the rising high water, I heard four Masses. No = 1, which began at 8 <BR>a.m. had a real organist playing, with a girls' = choir singing the Franck <BR>Panis Angelicus in two parts. At the second = Mass, an organist played bits of <BR>repertoire competently. At the third = Mass, an organist played bits of <BR>repertoire INcompetently, seeming to = begin each time with the first bars of <BR>well-known pieces, and then = drifting off into some outrageously bad <BR>improvisation. He was = obviously expected to noodle during the distribution of <BR>the Communion, = but forgot until the loud, pregnant throat clearing into the = <BR>microphone at the altar reminded him. Then, the job was to stop him, = for <BR>which purpose the priest rapped loudly on the microphone. Ah, but = Mass number <BR>four was the best yet - it was drop needle ti! me (this was still the era of <BR>the LP), so we got bits of organ music = with scraping sounds as the needle was <BR>bumped, with an abrupt pause = when the clergy reached the altar. The needle <BR>descended and scraped = and ascended many times during that Mass. It really was <BR>excruciating, = but no one but us refined ones seemed to even notice it. <BR> <BR>We did wonder where all the people came from - how they came and left = - as <BR>any door at street level was blocked by the high water. We later = found that <BR>there was a way of going up a flight of stairs and entering = and exiting <BR>through an adjoining building. The water had receded by = the time Mass number <BR>four ended! <BR> <BR>I was a bit of a recording freak in those days, and had with me a = small Sony <BR>tape recorder. Somewhere, all of this stuff is on two C-90 = tapes, if I could <BR>ever find them. I am in the process of moving, in = fact, so there is no <BR>telling what might turn up! <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm </FONT></HTML>   --part1_58.5b8406d.278fd8c4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Moller's bankruptcy AND LA archdiocese cans Dobson? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:28:37 -0800   At 01:27 PM 1/11/2001 -0600, you wrote: I think this might just be some wishful thinking on the part of some people, people who are prone to cause rumors to raise a ruckus.<snip>   Looks that way. There's PLENTY of ruckus in LA about the new "cathedral", =   anyway, as most RCs here feel it's an expensive ego stroke on Mahoney's part. The place will be home to the city's illegals and homeless, as was St. Vibiana's, and is a colossal waste of funds. The Dobson organ is another sticky subject, with Frank Brownstead being involved, the one who tried in vain to get a horrendously overpriced Schlicker to replace the Wangerin some 12 years ago.   As for the Wangerin/Austin, some further checking showed that the organ = has been spread to the four winds by Brownstead, so as to prevent its reuse. The rumor that the organ is intact inside the condemned Vibiana's is FALSE, although some of the Wangerin pipework remains. Austin = evidently got some of the new strings and reeds back in some sort of a deal, also. Thus, the "rumor" is just that...rumor. Interestingly, Chancery officials refused to comment, which is nothing new. I was asked twice if = I was a reporter for the LA Times, a paper not known to be overly friendly = to Mahoney OR the Cathedral mess.   dB    
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC (if you like) favorite Italian church stories From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:45:04 -0800   We were at the cathedral in Pisa when the bells rang for Vespers ... sure enough, a mound (how else to describe them?) of ANCIENT canons in TATTERED, DIRTY lace rochets tottered out to the horseshoe-shaped choir stalls behind the High Altar.   At the ringing of a bell, each began the Office of Vespers, at his own speed, at his own pitch. The choir stood and sat like waves of the sea, depending on where various members were in the Office.   At the ringing of a second bell, all came to a screeching halt (finished or not), and the canons tottered out.   My Methodist mother couldn't figure out what I thought was so FUNNY (grin).   And THESE are the folks (the Italians, that is) who write the rules for RC liturgy and music worldwide ...   Have you listened to the VATICAN choir lately??!!   Cheers,   Bud