PipeChat Digest #1771 - Monday, January 15, 2001
 
Re: To robe, or not to robe?  That is the question...
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Wedding Dawn....   (Revised edition)
  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>
robes
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Music List: Toms River (x post)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Fw: Wedding Dawn....   (Revised edition)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
web pages
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Home organ web pages
  by <p.wilson2@juno.com>
Re: NBA volume 9
  by "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu>
Organ For The Home (X-Posted)
  by "John Whitney" <jswhit3@bellsouth.net>
Re: Organ For The Home (X-Posted)
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Organ For The Home (X-Posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: To robe, or not to robe? That is the question... From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:20:43 EST   In my present church we all robe, and I'm glad. As I'm wont to say: "A = robe covers over a multitude of sins."   I wear a black robe that someone from my previous church purchased for me. = I took it to a tailor to have a reversible zipper installed. When I sit at = the bench, I zip "up", then spread the robe behind me. When I get up to = conduct or to stand in front of people, it's very easy to zip "down" to cover over = my multitudinous sins LOL.   The cuffs are plain rounded ones that I simply slip my hands through. No velcro, no snaps, and usually no bother. The sleeves are a bit puffy, but =   they seem to only get in my way when I'm playing Widor's Toccata.   Today I even wore my master's hood. I don't always, but today it seemed right and so I did.   Incidentally, the robe has quite a bit of symbolism attached to it. You = all will probably know that the top portion around the chest area is known as = a "yoke". Thus, the robe is less a sign of honor, but rather a sign of servanthood.   We don't usually wear robes during the summer months, just to create an atmosphere that's a bit more informal.   But I love my robe. In fact, my Christmas present from the choir this = year was money specifically to purchase a new one.   My waxing on the subject. Neil B. Barnegat, NJ USA  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition) From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:53:36 -0600   Ah but Rick, how could you be such a die hard TO when you go off to = Paducah and work on an RC organ.   Jim H.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:48 AM Subject: Fw: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition)     > At Dawning is a beautiful piece. Even a die-hard theatre organist like = me > loves playing it.....with string/vox celestes accom. and a mellow horn > melody line with bourdon pedal. Very lush (hic). > > Rick > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition) > > > > > > > > > > Hello again .... > > > > My first posting had a few typing errors which, hopefully, I have = caught > > and corrected... > > > > The revised posting is as follows: > > > > > > There is a rather famous piece entitled "At Dawning" (sung as a solo, > > but nice as an organ solo) by Nelle Richmond Eberhardt and Charles > > Wakefield Cadman (1881-1946) which has been recorded by Virgil Fox on > > the CD entitled, The Art of Virgil Fox, Volume II Riverside Church = New > > York, on the EMI label CDM 7243 5 65913 2 5. > > > > This CD shouldn't be difficult to find... It is manufactured and > > distributed by EMI Classics, 810 Seventh Ave, NY NY 10019. Good luck.... > > > > > > Morton Belcher > > fellow pipechat and piporg-l list member... > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > > > > Is anyone familiary with an organ piece called "Wedding Dawn" ??? = A > lady > > > mentioned it today, saying that it's an "up", bright and happy piece > that was > > > perfect for a wedding. > > > > > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > > > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo Bohawow!" > > > Visit Howling Acres at < Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: robes From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:53:29 EST   I think that all people involved in a worship service need robes, not only = to symbolize their leadership in a service, but just to take attention off of =   the hodge-podge look of mismatched outfits. At my first church job out of =   college, I worked for a new church...at the time it had only been in exsistance for about 3 or 4 years, and had just moved into their new building, after having been formed as the result of a major political = split and hving met in a school cafeteria for their first couple of years. My first Sunday there, I had to get the music committee together and tell = them that we were going to have robes. Everyone in the choir had on outfits = that clashed with one another. Within a couple of weeks, we had robes, and the =   congregation loved the look of the newly dressed-up choir. I have several =   different robes that I wear when I play. Now that I am a "free-lance" musician, I go to many different churches to fill in for the regular musician. Depending on what style of robe the choir wears, I might wear = one of my black academic robes or a cassock and surplice. I have a standard black pulpit robe, but what I usually wear is the "AGO robe" that I had = made by Ireland Needlecraft in Glendale, CA. The body of the robe is a = standard academic gown, but the sleeves are like regular coat sleeves, not all = blousy like a regular robe. There is an oversleeve that goes down to about the elbow and hangs down a little more on the back side, so when standing it looks like a regular robe, but for playing or directing, there is nothing = in the way of your arms or hands. I spoke with the company a few months ago, =   since I wanted to order a new one, but they have been taken over by new owners, and they hadn't come across the pattern or a photo of that robe, = so they aren't able to make them at this point. I know several churches in California where those robes are worn by the organists. It's the best solution I've ever had. I think that it's even better than the Velcro closures on choir robes.   Just my two-cents......(I'm not even going to get into the symbol = discussion)   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Music List: Toms River (x post) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:56:18 EST   FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH Toms River, NJ, USA Epiphany 2, 1/14/01   Prelude: Cwm Rhondda a la Kellner (N. Brown) Postlude: March from Scipio (Handel)   Anthems: 8:30 - Singspirations - Let Us Love One Another (Arnold Sherman) - Song of Joy (S. Ferrar/arr. Ness Beck)   11:00 - Sanctuary Choir - We Praise Thee, O God (H. Willan) - Let the Praise Go Round (W. Boyce/arr. H. Hopson)   Hymns: - We've a Story to Tell to the Nations (Message) - I Love to Tell the Story (Hankey) - Many Gifts, One Spirit (Katherine) This final hymn was new for me, but I really enjoyed it. I think = the congreg. enjoyed singing it too.   Closing Chorus: "If It Is To Be, It Is Up to Me" (N. Brown) - I wrote this as the theme song for our new building campaign.   Cheers to you all. Neil Brown  
(back) Subject: Fw: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:53:16 -0500   Well James, the old Reuter turned out to be such a wonderful orchestral instrument with plenty of string, diapason and flute celestes and three wobbulating trembulators that I got caught-up in the excitement.   Rick     ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim <bald1@prodigy.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition)     > Ah but Rick, how could you be such a die hard TO when you go off to Paducah > and work on an RC organ. > > Jim H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:48 AM > Subject: Fw: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition) > > > > At Dawning is a beautiful piece. Even a die-hard theatre organist like me > > loves playing it.....with string/vox celestes accom. and a mellow horn > > melody line with bourdon pedal. Very lush (hic). > > > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> > > To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 1:21 AM > > Subject: Re: Wedding Dawn.... (Revised edition) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again .... > > > > > > My first posting had a few typing errors which, hopefully, I have caught > > > and corrected... > > > > > > The revised posting is as follows: > > > > > > > > > There is a rather famous piece entitled "At Dawning" (sung as a = solo, > > > but nice as an organ solo) by Nelle Richmond Eberhardt and Charles > > > Wakefield Cadman (1881-1946) which has been recorded by Virgil Fox = on > > > the CD entitled, The Art of Virgil Fox, Volume II Riverside Church New > > > York, on the EMI label CDM 7243 5 65913 2 5. > > > > > > This CD shouldn't be difficult to find... It is manufactured and > > > distributed by EMI Classics, 810 Seventh Ave, NY NY 10019. Good > luck.... > > > > > > > > > Morton Belcher > > > fellow pipechat and piporg-l list member... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > > > > > > Is anyone familiary with an organ piece called "Wedding Dawn" ??? A > > lady > > > > mentioned it today, saying that it's an "up", bright and happy = piece > > that was > > > > perfect for a wedding. > > > > > > > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > > > > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo = Bohawow!" > > > > Visit Howling Acres at < Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > > > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: web pages From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:56:29 -0500   My thanks to Jon and Bruce for their suggestions.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: Home organ web pages From: <p.wilson2@juno.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:30:11 -0800       On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:10:43 -0500 "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> writes: > Listers- > > Many nice web pages have been coming thru the phone lines. > I too want to create one with pix of my Wurli, my street organ and > various other goodies, but geez+ACE- it's hard. One would think that > having MicroSoft Publisher, Publisher 2000, and Print Shop that > dummy me could come up with something+ACE- But nOOooo...+ACE- > I can do organ wiring in my sleep, but can't do a dumb little web > page+ACE- Maybe I need geeky lessons. +ADw-G+AD4- > > Rick > Naah! Call your local junior high or high school and hire a kid to do it. Or if you have a junior college nearby, they probably have someone who'll do it, as well. It's amazing what kids are learning in school these days!   To quote Tom Lehrer: "It's so simple, so very simple, that only a child can do it!"   Shalom, Preston p.wilson2@juno.com  
(back) Subject: Re: NBA volume 9 From: "Greg" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 22:57:31 -0500 (EST)   On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Michael wrote:   > Yes, there are 9 volumes in the New Bach Edition for organ. > Check out Barenreiter's webpage: > http://www.baerenreiter.com/sheeti.htm   Greetings, all.   I have this edition, and, as I think someone mentioned before, it is in fact eight numbered volumes plus the Neumeister Collection (nine total.)=20 I haven't looked (and can't, as I'm not near my music,) but I'm pretty sure that the "Jig" fugue is not in the B=E4renreiter NBA Complete Organ Works.   Best, -greg      
(back) Subject: Organ For The Home (X-Posted) From: "John Whitney" <jswhit3@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:55:01 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C07E85.68AB97C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hello All,   This is my first post to this group. I need to get some feedback on some = =3D decisions that I need to make on an organ project for my home.   * I am planning to build an organ room addition to my house as part of a = =3D larger addition. Any suggestions on room size (dimensions, ceiling =3D height, etc.)? I want the room to be as live as possible acoustically. =3D Any thoughts on interior design for ceiling, walls and floor surfaces?   * I want a three manual instrument that is at least 45 ranks or so that = =3D would sound well in the room. I'm leaning towards a pipe/digital =3D combination instrument since an all pipe solution probably would not =3D work well in a smaller room, not to mention the cost and maintenance. My = =3D preference is a pipe/Walker combination from Cornel Zimmer or Wicks. Any = =3D thoughts on these two builders? Cornel can definitely do it, but not as = =3D affordably as Wicks. I've read all the negative history on Wicks. =3D However, I haven't read any comments on recent installations. I know =3D they build pipe/Walker organs that are relatively affordable (see their = =3D web site) and would fit my need, but given the history of the company =3D and the comments on sound quality, I'm a little hesitant. Mark Wick told = =3D me that they have really cleaned up their act now, and has invited me to = =3D visit their factory to see for myself. Any new input on this would be =3D appreciative. Any other builders come to mind that I should check into?   * Any other comments/suggestions about this project? I want to do this =3D right and avoid costly/unsatisfactory mistakes.   Thanks in advance for your input.   John Whitney       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C07E85.68AB97C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4208.1700" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Hello All,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This is my first post to this group. = I =3D need to get=3D20 some feedback on some decisions that I need to make on an organ = project=3D20 for&nbsp;my home.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>* I am planning to build an organ = room =3D addition to=3D20 my house as part of a larger addition. Any suggestions on room size =3D (dimensions,=3D20 ceiling height, etc.)? I want the room to be as live as possible =3D acoustically.=3D20 Any thoughts on interior design&nbsp;for ceiling, walls and floor=3D20 surfaces?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>* I want a three manual instrument = that =3D is at least=3D20 45 ranks or so that would sound well in the room. I'm leaning towards = a=3D20 pipe/digital combination instrument since an all pipe solution probably = =3D would=3D20 not work well in a smaller room, not to mention the cost and =3D maintenance. My=3D20 preference is a pipe/Walker combination from Cornel Zimmer or Wicks. Any = =3D   thoughts on these two builders? Cornel can definitely do it, but not = as=3D20 affordably as Wicks. I've read all the negative history on Wicks. =3D However, I=3D20 haven't read any comments on recent installations. I know they build =3D pipe/Walker=3D20 organs that are relatively affordable (see their web site) and would fit = =3D my=3D20 need, but given the history of the company and the comments on sound =3D quality,=3D20 I'm a little hesitant. Mark Wick&nbsp;told me that they have really =3D cleaned up=3D20 their act now, and has invited me to visit&nbsp;their factory to see for = =3D myself.=3D20 Any new input on this would be appreciative. Any other builders come to = =3D mind=3D20 that I should check into?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>* Any other comments/suggestions = about =3D this=3D20 project? I want to do this right and avoid costly/unsatisfactory=3D20 mistakes.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks in advance for your =3D input.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Whitney</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C07E85.68AB97C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ For The Home (X-Posted) From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:05:11 EST   Why don't you ask the people at Walkers to help you decide on a pipe = builder?  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ For The Home (X-Posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:57:44 EST     --part1_42.f613f8b.2793f968_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 1/15/01 4:58:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = jswhit3@bellsouth.net writes:     > * I am planning to build an organ room addition to my house as part of a =   > larger addition. Any suggestions on room size (dimensions, ceiling = height, > etc.)? I want the room to be as live as possible acoustically. Any = thoughts > on interior design for ceiling, walls and floor surfaces? > > * I want a three manual instrument that is at least 45 ranks or so that > would sound well in the room. I'm leaning towards a pipe/digital > combination instrument since an all pipe solution probably would not = work > well in a smaller room, not to mention the cost and maintenance. >   Welcome out of lurkdom! your project sounds exciting. My advice about = the room is to make it as big as possible! Ceiling height is very important since that accounts for a significant portion of reverberation. The other =   part is length of the room so there is sound travel distance. You'll need =   uneven surfaces that are hard and reflective. Don't put in anything absorbent that cannot be easily removed. And what would be very important = to me.... make it beautiful visually.   Regarding the organ, I don't follow your logic that a pipes would not work = as well as pipe/digital in a small room. In a small room, there is less = chance for digital to be disguised as something good or to lose its digital identity. If you must have digital, I would recommend limiting it to = reeds. I would not add digital BIG STUFF in a small room any more than I would = add pipe BIG STUFF in a small room. The instrument really needs to be appropriate to the size of the room. If the room has a "big room = acoustic" then you have more leeway.   Do keep us posted.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at < Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 >   --part1_42.f613f8b.2793f968_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 1/15/01 4:58:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, jswhit3@bellsouth.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">* I am planning to = build an organ room addition to my house as part of a <BR>larger addition. Any suggestions on room size (dimensions, ceiling = height, <BR>etc.)? I want the room to be as live as possible acoustically. Any = thoughts <BR>on interior design for ceiling, walls and floor surfaces? <BR> <BR>* I want a three manual instrument that is at least 45 ranks or so = that <BR>would sound well in the room. I'm leaning towards a pipe/digital <BR>combination instrument since an all pipe solution probably would not = work <BR>well in a smaller room, not to mention the cost and maintenance. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Welcome out of lurkdom! &nbsp;&nbsp;your project sounds exciting. = &nbsp;&nbsp;My advice about the <BR>room is to make it as big as possible! &nbsp;&nbsp;Ceiling height is = very important <BR>since that accounts for a significant portion of reverberation. = &nbsp;The other <BR>part is length of the room so there is sound travel distance. = &nbsp;You'll need <BR>uneven surfaces that are hard and reflective. &nbsp;&nbsp;Don't put in = anything <BR>absorbent that cannot be easily removed. &nbsp;And what would be very = important to <BR>me.... make it beautiful visually. <BR> <BR>Regarding the organ, I don't follow your logic that a pipes would not = work as <BR>well as pipe/digital in a small room. &nbsp;&nbsp;In a small room, = there is less chance <BR>for digital to be disguised as something good or to lose its digital <BR>identity. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you must have digital, I would recommend = limiting it to reeds. <BR>&nbsp;I would not add digital BIG STUFF in a small room any more than I would add <BR>pipe BIG STUFF in a small room. &nbsp;The instrument really needs to = be <BR>appropriate to the size of the room. &nbsp;&nbsp;If the room has a = "big room acoustic" <BR>then you have more leeway. <BR> <BR>Do keep us posted. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at &lt; &nbsp;Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&gt;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_42.f613f8b.2793f968_boundary--