PipeChat Digest #2191 - Wednesday, July 4, 2001
 
off topic
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Hammond, Conn
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: off topic
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Hammond, Conn
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: Hammond, Conn
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com>
TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted)
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
Re: off topic
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted)
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
Re: TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted)
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re:: TV cameras and monitors in church
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
OHS Organ Handbook, North Carolina
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason
  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>
Re: Allen Renaissance
  by <CVStanford@aol.com>
Re: Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason
  by <KurtvonS@aol.com>
speakers
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason
  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>
Re: speakers
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: speakers
  by <CVStanford@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: off topic From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:54:23 -0500   Hi ya'll-   Yesterday in town I saw a SUZUKI compact car. Is it so? I've never = seen them advertised.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Hammond, Conn From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:27:54 -0500   We know Laurens Hammond made clocks which evolved into his famous and popular electric +ACI-organ+ACI-. Didn't he also have something to do = with military radar/sonar innovations -or was that another Hammond? Who gets credit for the +ACI-Hammond Castle+ACI- out east?   My real question is -what's the history behind C.G. Conn? Was he an inventor/pioneer in tone production also -hence the unique Conn sound? = I'm assuming he went into manufacturing band instruments to compete with WurliTzer. Anything he did that is not widely known?   Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: off topic From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:21:21 +0800   Plenty of them sold in this country. Little buzz boxes. Bob E.   VEAGUE wrote: > > Hi ya'll- > > Yesterday in town I saw a SUZUKI compact car. Is it so? I've never = seen > them advertised. > > Rick >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond, Conn From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:13:29 +0800   Conn musial instruments have been avaiable in this country for at least 60 years, or more. My son has a Conn saxophone, and there were other Conn instruments sold here in thousands around that time. Bob E.   VEAGUE wrote: ? I'm > assuming he went into manufacturing band instruments to compete with > WurliTzer. Anything he did that is not widely known? > > Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Hammond, Conn From: "Sam Vause" <vause@home.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 06:26:21 -0700   For Conn history, check out http://www.usd.edu/~mbanks/CONTENT.html. Seems they formed around 1871-4 or so... --sam Sam Vause (Chandler, AZ)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bob Elms Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:13 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Hammond, Conn   Conn musial instruments have been avaiable in this country for at least 60 years, or more. My son has a Conn saxophone, and there were other Conn instruments sold here in thousands around that time.    
(back) Subject: TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted) From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:41:42 EDT     --part1_be.16c7e562.28734fc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear list,   I am currently doing some liturgical design work and consultation for an Episcopal church where the organist is also the choir director. The choir = is seated in the traditional Anglican position, divided on both sides of a = wide chancel. The console is at the back of the choir area on the Epistle = side. The organist/choir director would like to install some kind of a TV camera =   and monitors so that he can see the choir on the Gospel side and they can = see him. This system would also be used by instrumentalists on festival days. = He currently uses a system of very bulky mirrors and he is both wanting to =   tidy up the choir area and take full advantage of modern technology.   Do any of my esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have = experience with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or do = you know of anyone who has this set up? Does anyone have any suggestions = about who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start = looking?   E-mail me privately if you wish or feel free to share this information = with the list in general. Thanks for your collective wisdom and suggestions!   Steven   --part1_be.16c7e562.28734fc6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear list, <BR> <BR>I am currently doing some liturgical design work and consultation for = an <BR>Episcopal church where the organist is also the choir director. = &nbsp;The choir is <BR>seated in the traditional Anglican position, divided on both sides of = a wide <BR>chancel. &nbsp;The console is at the back of the choir area on the = Epistle side. &nbsp; <BR>The organist/choir director would like to install some kind of a TV = camera <BR>and monitors so that he can see the choir on the Gospel side and they = can see <BR>him. &nbsp;This system would also be used by instrumentalists on = festival days. &nbsp; <BR>He currently uses a system of very bulky mirrors and he is both = wanting to <BR>tidy up the choir area and take full advantage of modern technology. <BR> <BR>Do any of my esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have = experience <BR>with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or = do you <BR>know of anyone who has this set up? &nbsp;Does anyone have any = suggestions about <BR>who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start = looking? <BR> <BR>E-mail me privately if you wish or feel free to share this information = with <BR>the list in general. &nbsp;Thanks for your collective wisdom and = suggestions! <BR> <BR>Steven</FONT></HTML>   --part1_be.16c7e562.28734fc6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: off topic From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:36:52 EDT     --part1_dc.885ac89.287378d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/3/01 7:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dutchorgan@svs.net writes:     > Yesterday in town I saw a SUZUKI compact car.   was it real or synthesized??   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_dc.885ac89.287378d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/3/01 7:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>dutchorgan@svs.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yesterday in town = I saw a SUZUKI compact car. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>was it real or synthesized?? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.885ac89.287378d4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted) From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:57:28 EDT     --part1_6e.c8349a2.28738bb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/3/01 11:43:50 AM Central Daylight Time, SProt82850@cs.com writes:     The Cathedral Basilica here in St. Louis where I take my lessons has a tv monitor installed in the console, and 4 cameras that allow the organist to =   see the door to the narthex (a block away from the console), one aimed at = the front of the altar, one aimed down the aisle from the back and one is on a =   tripod they can move to wherever necessary. There are 4 pistons that = change the camera view.   Travis Evans > Do any of my esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have > experience > with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or do =   > you > know of anyone who has this set up? Does anyone have any suggestions = about > who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start > looking? > >         --part1_6e.c8349a2.28738bb8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/3/01 11:43:50 AM Central Daylight Time, <BR>SProt82850@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR>The Cathedral Basilica here in St. Louis where I take my lessons has a = tv <BR>monitor installed in the console, and 4 cameras that allow the = organist to <BR>see the door to the narthex (a block away from the console), one aimed = at the <BR>front of the altar, one aimed down the aisle from the back and one is = on a <BR>tripod they can move to wherever necessary. &nbsp;There are 4 pistons = that change <BR>the camera view. <BR> <BR>Travis Evans <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Do any of my = esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have <BR>experience <BR>with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or = do <BR>you <BR>know of anyone who has this set up? &nbsp;Does anyone have any = suggestions about <BR>who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start <BR>looking? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6e.c8349a2.28738bb8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: TV cameras and monitors in church-help! (X-posted) From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:32:52 -0500   At 12:41 PM 7/3/01 -0400, Steven wrote:   > > Do any of my esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have = experience > > with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or do = you > know of anyone who has this set up? Does anyone have any suggestions = about > who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start = looking?     Hello, Steven!   Do I have experience with these things...well, no. However, I have = noticed something that *may* provide a starting point for you, if nothing else.   I've seen "security-type" CCTV systems available at Sam's Club, for what = seems to be a quite affordable price. They're admittedly simple, usually = black/white pictures, but it seems that most of the systems come with up to 4 = cameras/views (often split on the monitor screen, so you can see all 4 at once) The = cameras themselves tend to be rather small and unobtrusive. If your requirements aren't *too* demanding, perhaps such a system could be made to work.   Of course, most camera equipment I usually see installed in churches tends = to be much more sophisticated (and expensive!) but this equipment is often = used for live TV broadcasts as well, so it must be more involved. Simple = monitoring of the 'active areas' of a church for the organist during the service just might not require such an investment...   Hope this helps a little -- good luck with the project!   Cordially,   Tim Bovard Little Rock AR  
(back) Subject: Re:: TV cameras and monitors in church From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:04:54 -0700   When I was organist/choirmaster at Christ Lutheran-LCMS in Baltimore, I mounted a color video camera in the rear balcony of the church aimed at = the front of the church. I adjusted the lens so that only the chancel area = was in view. I hooked the camera to a small "broadcasting" module, which is usually used in a home to send video signals to different parts of a home from the main cable box area. These wireless broadcasters are available = in both UHF frequencies (channels 14 up) and also in the 900 mHz range.   The one I used was broadcasting on UHF, so I set it for channel 15 (unused =   in my area) and put a small color TV on top of the organ console. I then had a good view of all that was occurring in the chancel area. A side benefit of this arrangement was that I could hook up a VCR to my TV and record the entire service, because the broadcaster sent not only the picture, but also the sound from the camera's microphone.   Paul R. Swank.     > Steven wrote: > > Do any of my esteemed colleagues out there in organ cyberland have > experience > > with selecting or installing or using such a system in your church or > do you > > know of anyone who has this set up? Does anyone have any suggestions > about > > who might make a system suitable for use in church or where to start > looking?    
(back) Subject: OHS Organ Handbook, North Carolina From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:50:35 -0400   The 2001 Organ Handbook for the North Carolina OHS Convention which ended last Thursday has been mailed to all OHS members. Additional copies are available to anyone for $5 from http://www.ohscatalog.org on the opening page. There are also 28 earlier editions of the Organ Handbook available.   We've also added to the web store JAV-127 "George Thalben-Ball and = Friends" played by Todd Wilson on the 1930 E. M. Skinner 4-30 at Holy Rosary Cathedral, Toledo, Ohio. There are seven works by Thalben-Ball and the "friends" include H. Walford Davies, Mozart, Pietro Yon, Micahel Christian Festing, Schubert, and Guy Weitz. The full program is listed on the website.   Bill      
(back) Subject: Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:42:19 -0400   I have installed eight ranks of a retired organ in our church (to supplement the toaster). Seven of the ranks are very nice, but the Diapason - orginally open, but cut off and capped by the previous owner - sounds more like a calliope than a Diapason.   Since I am already way beyond budget, I am looking for a dirt-cheap 8' Open Diapason (Principal, etc) for 7" wind. It will be on display, but is the back of two rows on an overhead chest; as long as its not badly dented, I can spray it with aluminum paint and make it look like new, if needed. Scale? Beggers can't be choosers.   Thanks,   Bob Kinner Disciples Christian Church, Hamilton/Fairfield, OH   [I would appreciate a cross-post to PIPORG-L.] -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green      
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Renaissance From: <CVStanford@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:08:23 EDT   Speakers wearing out...   that is a new one for me............   how do they "wear out"......I would be curious to know?????   Robert!  
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason From: <KurtvonS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:07:18 EDT     --part1_110.1d5da6b.2873e266_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bob;   I'm David Finkel's good friend Kurt. He's told me of your work, and about =   the Welte console, etc.... Most of the tonal troubles you're having sound like regulation issues to = me. It also sounds as if you're using a higher pressure than you need. = Another regulation issue, except for the reed. By cutting and capping the old Diapason, it was turned into a metal Bourdon; and might well sound like a calliope on too high a pressure. But beggars NEED to be choosers; = putting together an organ from ranks that weren't designed as a whole is really tricky. So myou have to pick carefully. I can't think of a 7" (original) Diapason that would work well. That denotes a rank for a sizeable ediface...and would probably obliterate what you have. I'm returning to =   Indianapolis in the next couple of weeks agter a few years on the Ohio = River; perhaps David and I can run down and take a look.   yours, with luck<G>   Kurt von Schakel   --part1_110.1d5da6b.2873e266_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Bob; <BR> <BR>I'm David Finkel's good friend Kurt. &nbsp;He's told me of your work, = and about <BR>the Welte console, etc.... <BR>Most of the tonal troubles you're having sound like regulation issues = to me. &nbsp; <BR>It also sounds as if you're using a higher pressure than you need. = &nbsp;Another <BR>regulation issue, except for the reed. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;By cutting = and capping the old <BR>Diapason, it was turned into a metal Bourdon; and might well sound = like a <BR>calliope on too high a pressure. &nbsp;But beggars NEED to be = choosers; &nbsp;putting <BR>together an organ from ranks that weren't designed as a whole is = really <BR>tricky. So myou have to pick carefully. &nbsp;I can't think of a 7" = (original) <BR>Diapason that would work well. &nbsp;That denotes a rank for a = sizeable <BR>ediface...and would probably obliterate what you have. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm returning to <BR>Indianapolis in the next couple of weeks agter a few years on the Ohio = River; <BR>&nbsp;perhaps David and I can run down and take a look. <BR> <BR>yours, with luck&lt;G&gt; <BR> <BR>Kurt von Schakel</FONT></HTML>   --part1_110.1d5da6b.2873e266_boundary--  
(back) Subject: speakers From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 20:27:33 -0700   In this neck of the woods, speakers have to be re-coned every 10-15 years, depending on whether you're near the ocean, the desert, or the mountains (grin). When an old Hammond Concert Model was pulled from a church on the edge of the desert, the speaker cones were on the verge of crumbling... the speakers had been up near the peak of the roof, and there had been NO air-conditioning until recent years. The sound had been atrocious for YEARS, but nobody wanted to climb up there and investigate ... it was TOO HOT (grin).   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-BEACH (thankfully)   CVStanford@aol.com wrote:   > Speakers wearing out... > > that is a new one for me............ > > how do they "wear out"......I would be curious to know????? > > Robert! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Wanted: Cheap 7" (wc) Diapason From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:32:32 -0400   Kurt,   Thanks so much for your reply and advice! And good to meet you. David and his father have provided much help and encouragement in this project and I appreciate them greatly.   Yes, I know I'm treading in a thorn patch attempting to swap ranks; it's kind of a despiration move. 7" is rather heavy for this size organ, but all of the ranks were originally voiced for it. I did have the organ on a 6" blower while in construction, but the flues were noticably lackluster and the reeds were slow of speech. Upping the pressure by just 1" made a remarkable difference. (I've seen this effect before on an organ that was built for 5" but whose regulator had been tinkered with by someone, lowering the pressure to just under 4".) This is not offered as an excuse, just as something I kind of have to work around.   I have kept David informed of my difficulties with this rank. The guy who did it did not do a real impressive job. Many of the upper lips, which were raised in the process, look as if they were never finished. And I have had a lot of trouble getting the caps to seal. While the whole rank needs some sprucing up, it's the low octave and a half, or so, that is a real disaster. There is a break in the type of metal at this point - what is now the 8' C used to be the F or G (I've forgotten which) - i.e. he reduced the scale. So, what were the original low two octaves are the major problems. Most, but not all, of these pipes are unstable, breathy, or tend or overblow. I have worked on the seals and attempted - carefully - to move the lips in and out, but with very limited success.   Again, I thank you for your message and hope that you will be able to visit.   Bob   KurtvonS@aol.com wrote:   > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: 7bit       -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green      
(back) Subject: Re: speakers From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:47:26 -0400   Same here. Advent Speakers of 70s vintage had the foam attached to the cone = deteriorate. The sound produced was intolerable!   http://www.speakersupply.com/repair.htm   Stan         quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > In this neck of the woods, speakers have to be re-coned every 10-15 = years..  
(back) Subject: Re: speakers From: <CVStanford@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:54:53 EDT   truly...but that was a cheap way out......   quality speakers (in my professional experience) can last for decades!!!!!   e.g. old Altec..JBL..RCA..EV speakers...   and they can be worth a fortune for those into that genre...........