PipeChat Digest #2200 - Thursday, July 5, 2001
 
Re: Miking of cantors and choirs -- long rant!!!
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Miking of cantors and choirs
  by <Mick709@aol.com>
Re: Miking of cantors and choirs
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Miking of cantors and choirs
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Posting from Non-Member
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: 1949 Allen Organ
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Re: Rodgers (Question to list)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: How Many Ranks in the National Cathedral Organ?
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Rodgers (Question to list)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Miking of cantors and choirs -- long rant!!! From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:39:22 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C10592.92D0B500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   To the List,=3D20 I remember about ten years ago, I was removing a pipe organ from a = =3D small UCC church in Pennsylvania. They did not have the money to repair = =3D the pipe organ which had been butchered by a local pipe organ firm and =3D it would take quite a bit of money to turn it around so they had decided = =3D on an electronic. The organ was located in a room, 12' by 12'. I had =3D taken some inexperienced guys in their twenties to help me with the =3D lifting and carrying. The first thing one of them said is "where's the =3D speakers." Later on I was taking a lunch break on the front steps of the = =3D church and the pastor was sitting next to me. He asked me if he could =3D have his mike from the pulpit speak from the organ chamber behind the =3D facade pipes when the electronic was installed. I told him that it would = =3D sound like a disembodied voice coming from the organ chamber at whatever = =3D volume the organist had the swell pedal set at. He decided against it =3D thank God.=3D20 Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: LLWheels@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Miking of cantors and choirs -- long rant!!!     In a message dated 7/5/2001 1:08:27 PM Central Daylight Time, Carlo=3D20 Peitronero writes:=3D20       Choirs shouldn't be miked at all, unless they're singing from a rear = =3D   balcony, and even then. The Choir from St. Patrick's Basilica (here = =3D in=3D20 Montreal) sings from the rear balcony, and there are mics up there =3D for them.=3D20 Without the mics, they wouldn't be heard very well. Cantors/leaders = =3D of song=3D20 should sing/lead into mics.=3D20         Wow does this topic ever push my buttons!!! And.... although Roman =3D Catholics=3D20 seem to have perfected the Sacrament of the Microphone, they do not =3D have an=3D20 exclusive franchise on it! Protestants are right behind them. RCs with = =3D   big-barn buildings have a possible excuse for amplification -- but =3D most of=3D20 them wouldn't need it if they wouldn't put damned carpeting all over =3D their=3D20 terrazo floors, and if they'd teach their lectors and priests to =3D project a=3D20 little rather than mumbling into a microphone which is in dire danger = =3D of=3D20 being swallowed.=3D20   I attended a Christmas concert here in Milwaukee by a well-known =3D musician=3D20 with a professional choir of 16-20 who sang from the rear gallery of =3D an=3D20 enormous granite barn of a church, and HE MIKED THEM!!! It was totally = =3D   unnecessary and absolutely ruined the choral tone and ensemble. I =3D walked out=3D20 half-way through the first section of the program.=3D20   Just last Saturday I attended a "musicale" in a medium-to-smallish = RC=3D20 building which, in spite of the fact that the chancel is carpeted, =3D still has=3D20 wonderful acoustics. As an organbuilder/friend of mine says. "A f**t =3D would=3D20 sound good in that room" The room was small enough that someone =3D speaking in a=3D20 normal conversational tone - if the room was quiet - could easily be =3D heard by=3D20 everyone not deaf. If someone merely projected a little, even the =3D near-deaf=3D20 could hear in that room. Every possible sound was miked thru a very=3D20 tiyy-sounding system. At one point in the middle of the program, the =3D sound=3D20 system stopped working for a few minutes and I was certain that my =3D prayers=3D20 had been answered. During this period, the recitalist SHOUTED (much =3D too=3D20 loudly) at us as though he expected we were dead. I have upper-end=3D20 age-related hearing-loss and tinitus, and I had no trouble whatsoever = =3D hearing=3D20 him when he spoke in his normal voice. Unfortunately, someone fixed =3D the sound=3D20 system and the program continued.=3D20   What irks me even more is all of the medium-sized to smallish churches =3D who=3D20 seem to have microphone-envy and insist on miking any-and-everything =3D whether=3D20 it needs it or not -- and most of the time it doesn't. Some use the =3D excuse of=3D20 sound-devices for the hearing-impaired, or recording the service, but = =3D this=3D20 does not justify making the rest of us suffer the sound. I have yet to = =3D hear a=3D20 sound-system, no matter how good or expensive, that does not alter the = =3D timbre=3D20 of the voice to some extent, and usually not for the better. Perhaps =3D it is=3D20 POSSIBLE to adjust one so that it does not, but I've never heard one =3D and=3D20 doubt I will in my lifetime.=3D20   Even in my own well-educated parish, a medium-sized room with very =3D nice=3D20 resonance and very little reverberation, I have a constant battle with = =3D   parishoners and parents who regularly plead "Why don't you mike the=3D20 children's choir so we can hear them better?" I WANT to say - You =3D could hear=3D20 them just fine if you'd shut-up and really listen for a change - or - = =3D they=3D20 are children, they are not supposed to sound like Brunhilde! What I do = =3D say,=3D20 over and over and over, is that the children must learn to project =3D their=3D20 sound, and miking them prevents their learning this. Just be patient, = =3D you=3D20 will hear them a little better each time. I still get asked after =3D every=3D20 children's choir performance.=3D20   No wonder so many churches are satisfied with the sound that comes =3D from=3D20 electronic speakers on their organs - everything else comes from a =3D speaker -=3D20 its only natural to them that the organ should too. I believe that the = =3D these=3D20 issues - sound systems for everything and everybody, and speakers vs =3D pipes in=3D20 churches - are inexorably tied to each other. Perhaps, in our =3D electronic age,=3D20 people are so used to recorded music and speech, that live performance = =3D is=3D20 unknown to many of them. If we substituted people lip-synching and =3D played=3D20 recorded music and sermons, would anyone notice? I have my doubts. = Or=3D20 perhaps, the rock-band phenomonon of competing to see (hear) who is =3D loudest,=3D20 while the bend-members themselves go deaf, has so thouroughly invaded = =3D our=3D20 culture that we have forgotten just how wonderful acoustic music can =3D sound.=3D20   I don't have a solution, but I am surely open to suggestions. Does =3D this=3D20 bother anyone but Scott, Carlo and me?=3D20   I'm not really finished with my rant, but will stop here to take a =3D deep=3D20 breath and a Zoloft.=3D20   Larry L. Wheelock=3D20 Organist=3D20 Conductor=3D20 Composer=3D20 Kenwood United Methodist Church=3D20 Milwaukee, WI=3D20 Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55=3D20       ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C10592.92D0B500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>To the List, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I remember = =3D about ten years=3D20 ago, I was removing a pipe organ from a small UCC church in =3D Pennsylvania. They=3D20 did not have the money to repair the pipe organ which had been butchered = =3D by a=3D20 local pipe organ firm and it would take quite a bit of money to turn it = =3D around=3D20 so they had decided on an electronic.&nbsp;The organ was located in a =3D room, 12'=3D20 by 12'. I had taken some inexperienced guys in their twenties to help me = =3D with=3D20 the lifting and carrying. The first thing one of them said is "where's =3D the=3D20 speakers." Later on I was taking a lunch&nbsp;break on the front steps =3D of the=3D20 church and the pastor was sitting next to me. He asked me if he could =3D have his=3D20 mike from the pulpit speak from the organ chamber behind the facade =3D pipes when=3D20 the electronic was installed. I told him that it would sound like a =3D disembodied=3D20 voice coming from the organ chamber at whatever volume the organist had = =3D the=3D20 swell pedal set at. He decided against it thank God. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DLLWheels@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:LLWheels@aol.com">LLWheels@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 05, 2001 = =3D 5:57=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Miking of cantors = =3D and choirs=3D20 -- long rant!!!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DUnivers size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 7/5/2001 1:08:27 PM Central = =3D Daylight=3D20 Time, Carlo <BR>Peitronero writes: <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Choirs shouldn't be miked at all, unless they're singing = =3D from a=3D20 rear <BR>balcony, and even then. The Choir from St. Patrick's =3D Basilica (here=3D20 in <BR>Montreal) sings from the rear balcony, and there are mics up = =3D there=3D20 for them. <BR>Without the mics, they wouldn't be heard very well.=3D20 Cantors/leaders of song <BR>should sing/lead into mics.=3D20 <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DUnivers =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Wow does this topic ever push my buttons!!! = =3D And....=3D20 although Roman Catholics <BR>seem to have perfected the Sacrament of =3D the=3D20 Microphone, they do not have an <BR>exclusive franchise on it! =3D Protestants are=3D20 right behind them. RCs with <BR>big-barn buildings have a possible =3D excuse for=3D20 amplification -- but most of <BR>them wouldn't need it if they =3D wouldn't put=3D20 damned carpeting all over their <BR>terrazo floors, and if they'd =3D teach their=3D20 lectors and priests to project a <BR>little rather than mumbling into = =3D a=3D20 microphone which is in dire danger of <BR>being swallowed. <BR><BR>I =3D attended=3D20 a Christmas concert here in Milwaukee by a well-known musician =3D <BR>with a=3D20 professional choir of 16-20 who sang from the rear gallery of an =3D <BR>enormous=3D20 granite barn of a church, and HE MIKED THEM!!! It was totally =3D <BR>unnecessary=3D20 and absolutely ruined the choral tone and ensemble. I walked out =3D <BR>half-way=3D20 through the first section of the program. <BR><BR>Just last Saturday I = =3D   attended a "musicale" in a medium-to-smallish RC <BR>building which, =3D in spite=3D20 of the fact that the chancel is carpeted, still has <BR>wonderful =3D acoustics.=3D20 As an organbuilder/friend of mine says. "A f**t would <BR>sound good =3D in that=3D20 room" The room was small enough that someone speaking in a = <BR>normal=3D20 conversational tone - if the room was quiet - could easily be heard by = =3D   <BR>everyone not deaf. If someone merely projected a little, even = the=3D20 near-deaf <BR>could hear in that room. Every possible sound was miked = =3D thru a=3D20 very <BR>tiyy-sounding system. At one point in the middle of the =3D program, the=3D20 sound <BR>system stopped working for a few minutes and I was certain =3D that my=3D20 prayers <BR>had been answered. During this period, the recitalist =3D SHOUTED=3D20 (much too <BR>loudly) at us as though he expected we were dead. I have = =3D   upper-end <BR>age-related hearing-loss and tinitus, and I had no =3D trouble=3D20 whatsoever hearing <BR>him when he spoke in his normal voice. =3D Unfortunately,=3D20 someone fixed the sound <BR>system and the program continued. =3D <BR><BR>What=3D20 irks me even more is all of the medium-sized to smallish churches who = =3D <BR>seem=3D20 to have microphone-envy and insist on miking any-and-everything =3D whether <BR>it=3D20 needs it or not -- and most of the time it doesn't. Some use the =3D excuse of=3D20 <BR>sound-devices for the hearing-impaired, or recording the service, = =3D but this=3D20 <BR>does not justify making the rest of us suffer the sound. I have =3D yet to=3D20 hear a <BR>sound-system, no matter how good or expensive, that does =3D not alter=3D20 the timbre <BR>of the voice to some extent, and usually not for the =3D better.=3D20 Perhaps it is <BR>POSSIBLE to adjust one so that it does not, but I've = =3D never=3D20 heard one and <BR>doubt I will in my lifetime. <BR><BR>Even in my = own=3D20 well-educated parish, a medium-sized room with very nice <BR>resonance = =3D and=3D20 very little reverberation, I have a constant battle with =3D <BR>parishoners and=3D20 parents who regularly plead "Why don't you mike the <BR>children's =3D choir so we=3D20 can hear them better?" I WANT to say - You could hear <BR>them just =3D fine if=3D20 you'd shut-up and really listen for a change - or - they <BR>are =3D children,=3D20 they are not supposed to sound like Brunhilde! What I do say, <BR>over = =3D and=3D20 over and over, is that the children must learn to project their =3D <BR>sound, and=3D20 miking them prevents their learning this. Just be patient, you =3D <BR>will hear=3D20 them a little better each time. I still get asked after every =3D <BR>children's=3D20 choir performance. <BR><BR>No wonder so many churches are satisfied =3D with the=3D20 sound that comes from <BR>electronic speakers on their organs - =3D everything=3D20 else comes from a speaker - <BR>its only natural to them that the =3D organ should=3D20 too. I believe that the these <BR>issues - sound systems for =3D everything and=3D20 everybody, and speakers vs pipes in <BR>churches - are inexorably tied = =3D to each=3D20 other. Perhaps, in our electronic age, <BR>people are so used to =3D recorded=3D20 music and speech, that live performance is <BR>unknown to many of =3D them. If we=3D20 substituted people lip-synching and played <BR>recorded music and =3D sermons,=3D20 would anyone notice? I have my doubts. Or <BR>perhaps, the = rock-band=3D20 &nbsp;phenomonon of competing to see (hear) who is loudest, <BR>while = =3D the=3D20 bend-members themselves go deaf, has so thouroughly invaded our =3D <BR>culture=3D20 that we have forgotten just how wonderful acoustic music can sound. =3D <BR><BR>I=3D20 don't have a solution, but I am surely open to suggestions. Does = this=3D20 <BR>bother anyone but Scott, Carlo and me? <BR><BR>I'm not really =3D finished=3D20 with my rant, but will stop here to take a deep <BR>breath and a =3D Zoloft.=3D20 <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DUnivers color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Larry L. Wheelock <BR>Organist <BR>Conductor =3D <BR>Composer=3D20 <BR>Kenwood United Methodist Church <BR>Milwaukee, WI <BR>Austin Organ = =3D Co.=3D20 Opus 1628, 1928 III/55</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DBimini =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DBimini =3D color=3D3D#ff0000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001B_01C10592.92D0B500--    
(back) Subject: Re: Miking of cantors and choirs From: <Mick709@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:47:11 EDT     --part1_128.102e3b9.2876648f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OMG!!!! The image of MILKING any cantor I have ever had is both = frightening and just dowright gross! The old ladies with the vibrato you could drive a =   truck thru would instantly be "cured" by it tho, I am sure!   And just who would be responsible for hooking them up to the machines??   --part1_128.102e3b9.2876648f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>OMG!!!! The image of <I>MILKING </I>any cantor I have ever had is = both frightening <BR>and just dowright gross! The old ladies with the vibrato you could = drive a <BR>truck thru &nbsp;would instantly be "cured" by it tho, I am sure! <BR> <BR>And just who would be responsible for hooking them up to the = machines??</FONT></HTML>   --part1_128.102e3b9.2876648f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Miking of cantors and choirs From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:52:11 -0400   my fianc=E9 is one of our cantors/leaders of song.........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Miking of cantors and choirs From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:55:09 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C1058C.656717E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   'Twould be a MOOving experience. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Mick709@aol.com=3D20       OMG!!!! The image of MILKING any cantor I have ever had is both =3D frightening=3D20 and just dowright gross! The old ladies with the vibrato you could =3D drive a=3D20 truck thru would instantly be "cured" by it tho, I am sure!=3D20   And just who would be responsible for hooking them up to the =3D machines??=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C1058C.656717E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>'Twould be a MOOving experience.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DMick709@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Mick709@aol.com">Mick709@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>OMG!!!! = The =3D image of=3D20 <I>MILKING </I>any cantor I have ever had is both frightening <BR>and = =3D just=3D20 dowright gross! The old ladies with the vibrato you could drive a =3D <BR>truck=3D20 thru &nbsp;would instantly be "cured" by it tho, I am sure! =3D <BR><BR>And just=3D20 who would be responsible for hooking them up to the = machines??</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001A_01C1058C.656717E0--    
(back) Subject: Posting from Non-Member From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:54:49 -0500   I received the following posting this evening at my personal account. i guess the person found my address by looking at the IRC pages on the PipeChat site. But since they are trying to find a home for an Allen I thought I would pass it along to the list. If anyone is interested please contact Virginia at the address below - NOT me or the list!! <G>   David ************************************************************* Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:04:29 -0400 From: V Smilack <vsmilack@optonline.net> Subject: IRC Problem To: david@blackiris.com X-Priority: 3   david, hello.   this is really not an irc problem. I am not sure that I should get in on the chat but wanted to see if your group might have any idea of anyone who might want an old allen organ to restore.   we are closing my mother's house in northern delaware. she has the church organ she purchased in 1984. the organ is a 1949 allen w-4 #1643 with = three rack using 6sn7 tubes for oscillation. the organ is in good shape and was played up until about 3 years ago. there is a large speaker but no = chimes.   if anyone would like to contact me, i can be contacted a vsmilack@optonline.net.     we will have to have this organ removed by the end of august or sooner otherwise it will end up being junked and i do not want to do that.   i called the allen organ company and they do not want the organ ... and i found this web site by doing a search.   i will appreciate any help you can give to me.   virginia smilack  
(back) Subject: Re: 1949 Allen Organ From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:42:28 -0700   I had a similar organ until about five years ago. I would not stop playing. Mice got into it and ate the wax-covered wires to all the stop tabs. But since they were color-coded, a short splint of wiring put it back into business. You should have seen the pile of condensors (pardon me, capacitors) hanging on the tone generators.   This would be a great console for use by an amateur midifyer = experimenter.   The selection of stops is by a small electromagnet attached to a slide = with 66 stiff wires pointing up. There was a rod from each key which turned slightly sidewise to contact these up-pointed wires to make the contacts.   Since there were so many sets of the sliding contacts, it would be easy to =   have many different midi sounds available at once, in addition to making these sliders in some couplers.   Of course, the racks of tone generators could be discarded, as they take = up considerable space. The large speaker cabinet is probably one of the = early gyros too.   If I had the room, I would get it just to fool around with.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.   >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:04:29 -0400 >From: V Smilack <vsmilack@optonline.net> > >we are closing my mother's house in northern delaware. she has the = church >organ she purchased in 1984. the organ is a 1949 allen w-4 #1643 with = three >rack using 6sn7 tubes for oscillation. the organ is in good shape and = was >played up until about 3 years ago. there is a large speaker but no = chimes. > >if anyone would like to contact me, i can be contacted a >vsmilack@optonline.net. > >we will have to have this organ removed by the end of august or sooner >otherwise it will end up being junked and i do not want to do that. >virginia smilack    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers (Question to list) From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 21:40:59 -0400   I apologise, sir. On reflection, I humbly realise that entire weeks are spent in stuffy churches listening to the precious stuff being extruded from those old pipes.   Wurlitzer! <spit>! Too much merriment! Bah! Give me a real organ with unsteady wind and meantone anyday!   A Curse on Electricity!   Stan   Colin Hulme wrote: > > Sir, > > Please wash your mouth out with soap. Do you not realise that the organ > is a great instrument dedicated to boring as many people as possible > (apart from other organists that is) and that frivolity has no place in > any buiding or forum dedicated to it? > > Ducking for cover, > Cheers, > Colin > > Stanley Lowkis wrote: > > > > Bruce made the observation: > > > > "If I'm not mistaken, this is a question for an instrument for = personal > > use. > > It could be a fun thread if you can pull your heads out of your = churches > > and > > use your imaginations. It might even be interesting to see what type = of > > 20-25 stop instruments people would like to have." > > > > These organs exist!! > > > > ...They are called "WurliTzers"!!!! > > > > Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: How Many Ranks in the National Cathedral Organ? From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:00:03 -0700 (PDT)   --- ScottFop@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know the current rank count of the National Cathedral organ = in > Washington, DC? >   I want to say 185. I have a fairly new CD at home with that information. = From what I gather the newest addition is a recently added Posthorn, which by the way is = wonderful in the Soler "Emperor's Fanfare," made famous by E. P. Biggs. I find that the organ = comes across quite well on this CD, better than any of the other recordings I have - tonal finishing, = mike placement, I don't know. The one thing I missed was that wonderful String division that was = used on an LP recording of one of the Howells' Psalm Preludes, there is a wonderful Larry King = piece for organ and tape, and I am always asleep by the time we get there, and maybe those strings = appear there, or maybe they are not up to snuff just now! The other change I noted was the 64' = Bombarde is now electronic....I'll try to remember to check this information if it doesn't = show up tonight.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers (Question to list) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:08:41 -0400   Dear Mr. Williams,   Wothout knowing the FUNCTION ofd the instrument - they is * N O * meaning to a "Preference"     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> writes: > All right, folks: The tracker would be about 20-25 > ranks, the 4-manual electronic would have the > equivalent of about 110 ranks with a complete solo > division as well. Forget about questions of space and > such. Just decide your instrument of preference. > Simple question. Let's begin again. >   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.