PipeChat Digest #2203 - Friday, July 6, 2001
 
well, I guess it WON'T go away (grin)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net>
Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long)
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers
  by <DMillerRodgers@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long)
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long)
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Carnegie Hall Spec
  by "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com>
Re: Carnegie Hall Spec
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Virgil Fox
  by "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: well, I guess it WON'T go away (grin) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:18:12 -0700   I have a life (grin).   I think *some* organists have done as much as anyone to create the MARKET for digital substitutes ... like Stainer's carriage horse, they're always wishing for another stop.   In times past, organists of small churches were content with small pipe organs. In the town where I spent the latter part of my childhood, there were six pipe organs ... the churches seated anywhere from less than a hundred to over three hundred ... the LARGEST organ was a 3-manual Moller with a duplexed Choir organ ... probably about 20 ranks; the smallest was a 3-rank Moller Artiste; 10-12 ranks was probably the average.   Those churches conducted perfectly respectable music programs ... the Baptists and the Methodists (with the two largest organs) produced major oratorios and cantatas with organ accompaniment; the rest had reasonable choir programs.   It's downright SILLY to walk into a church seating 100-200 and find a large three or four manual organ, pipe OR electronic. MOST of the literature can be played on 20 stops over two manuals and pedals, though that involves a fair amount of piston-pushing if you're playing the big French stuff with no Positif manual.   I WON'T go the route of a 5-stop all-unenclosed one-manual organ with pull-down pedal, because I have to accompany too many things in too many different styles, and I also have to be able to see over the console because I'm organist/choirmaster; but 15-20 stops will certainly be adequate for us, and we have THE most complex liturgy in the Western Church (grin), and a comparatively ambitious choir program.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-sticky-humid-rainy-NASTY-Beach    
(back) Subject: Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:16:29 -0700 (PDT)     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > I think *some* organists have done as much as anyone to create the > MARKET for digital substitutes ... like Stainer's carriage horse, > they're always wishing for another stop.   Bud you make some good points. Learning to be content with what one has is = good for the soul, and often you find that what you have is not as *incorrect* or whatever, as = you first think.   Getting into involved do-it-your-self organ projects as you and I have, = also has its own drawbacks.   I have been working my day job from 8 - 5:30 and then working on the organ = from 7 till 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, and one Sunday barely got it back togetether to play the service I = was still scrambling at 5:30 a.m.! Lately I have been wishing I had not started, but then I can't = imagine living with the instrument as it was, but had I left it alone I could have.   We are ALMOST done. I got some help on the 4th and we moved the entire = existing chassis 4" closer to the chamber door (no small feat!) to make room for our new stopped and = open wood Flutes. All the pipes are out, laying all over the choir loft, the organ guy has = cleaned the shalotts (sp?) and tongues of the Tpt resulting in a much better sound. I've pretty much = redone the Klann console with new stop keys, adjusted the c/a, rewired, etc., and now I am cleaning = the dirt and debris off the chests and reservoirs, Sunday I paint the chamber, and next week we = start installing the new mechanics and then put the pipes back.   What we are ending up with is a very respectable 18 rank organ with a = COMPLETE 13 rank swell division, a one stop pedal (16' Subbass) and a 4 rank great (8' & 4' = Principals, and 8' and 4' flutes.) I have come to realize that this IS enough. We have a great = building that is quite large and has good acoustics. I would like to add a 2' Mixture to the Great = along with a Flute Harmonique and a biggish chorus reed, but these are not necessary.   The stoplist as it is now is fine, the one we came up with when we put in = the new Peterson system seems like there are too many stops on each manual, and for that reason I = have wondered if we should go to a three manual console with a duplexed Choir division, but = who knows?   There is a very small Lutheran church here that already has a magnificent = art-piece continuo organ. They have a 8-10 rank unit organ (40's) that is more than adequate = for hymn singing, and the room may seat 150 jammed. They are getting a 30 rank Casavant in 2002. = I'd hate to be on the finishing team for that job??!!!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT)   The Virgil Rodgers in Carnegie Hall for the 1974 concert was a 4- manual. I was there... and I recall with fond joy the Bach Eminor Prelude and Fugue in all its beauty and profundity bein played by a man with such joy and life Ed    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:07:35 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall     > The Virgil Rodgers in Carnegie Hall for the 1974 concert was a > 4- manual. Nope. Five manuals. I got a picture of it on the stage.    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@netins.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:18:53 -0500     The 5 manual Rodgers at Carnegie Hall had a duplicate that Virgil toured with. You can distinguish them in pictures, as the touring organ's = nameplate said Royal V, and the Carnegie Hall nameplate says "Rodgers". I don;t know about the Carnegie Hall installation, but the 5 manual touring organ was less than successful, according to the Fox bio.    
(back) Subject: Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long) From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:23:07 -0400   for those interested, here's the complete specification for the original 5-manual Rodgers electronic organ, designed by Virgil Fox for Carnegie = Hall in 1974.   GREAT (Manual II, unenclosed) Montre 16 Quintaton 16 Principal 8 Flute Harmonique 8 Gemshorn 8 Holzgedeckt 8 Quintaton 8 Octave 4 Principal 4 Spitzflote 4 Quinte 2 2/3 Fifteenth 2 Flute a Bec 2 Fife 1 Cornet V 8 Zart Mixtur IV 2 Fourniture IV 1 1/3 Scharf IV 2/3 Bombarde 16 Trompette 8 Chimes Tremulant Great to Great 16 Great Unison Off Great to Great 4   SWELL (Manual III, expressive) Rohr Bourdon 16 Contre Gambe 16 Geigen Principal 8 Rohrflote 8 Viole de Gambe 8 Viole Celeste 8 Salicional 8 Voix Celeste 8 Flute Celeste II 8 Prestant 4 Zauberflote 4 Nazard 2 2/3 Octavin 2 Spillflote 2 Larigot 1 1/3 Plein Jeu V 2 Klein Mixtur IV 2 Cymbale IV 1 Contre Trompette 16 Basson 16 Trompette 8 Waldhorn 8 Basson Hautbois 8 Voix Humaine 8 Clairon 4 Tremulant Swell to Swell 16 Swell Unison Off Swell to Swell 4   CHOIR (Manual I, expressive) Contra Erzahler 16 Viola Pomposa 8 Viola Celeste 8 Waldflote 8 Cor de Nuit 8 Erzahler 8 Erzahler Celeste 8 Dulcett II 8 Principalino 4 Koppelflote 4 Nazat 2 2/3 Octav 2 Blockflote 2 Terz 1 3/5 Larigot 1 1/3 Sifflote 1 Zymbel IV 1/2 Serpent 16 Trompette de Fete 8 Petite Trompette 8 Clarinet 8 Cromorne 8 Rohr Schalmey 4 Harp 8 Harp 4 Tremulant Choir to Choir 16 Choir Unison Off Choir to Choir 4   SOLO (Manual IV, expressive) Flauto Mirabilis 8 Gamba 8 Gamba Celeste 8 Grosse Nazard 5 1/3 Doppelflote 4 Corno di Bassetto 16 Tuba Mirabilis 8 French Horn 8 Orchestral Oboe 8 Cor Anglais 8 Cembalo Tremulant Solo to Solo 16 Solo Unison Off Solo to Solo 4   BOMBARDE/ECHO (Manual V, expressive) (Bombarde) English Post Horn 16 English Post Horn 8 Trompette de Fete 8 English Post Horn 4 Trompette de Fete 4 Grand Jeu VI 2 (Echo) Aeoline 8 Aeoline Celeste 8 Unda Maris II 8 Fernflote 4 Vox Humana 8 Tremulant Bombarde/Echo Sub 16 Bombarde/Echo Unison Off Bombarde/Echo Super 4   PEDAL (unenclosed) Contra Principal 32 Contra Violon 32 Contre Bourdon 32 Major Principal 16 Principal 16 Bourdon 16 Montre 16 Rohr Bourdon 16 Quintaton 16 Gambe 16 Erzahler 16 Violon 16 Major Octave 8 Octave 8 Violon 8 Quintaton 8 Gedeckt Pommer 8 Rohrflote 8 Choralbass 4 Nachthorn 4 Rausch Pfeife III 2 2/3 Mixture IV 2 Contre Bombarde 32 Contre Fagott 32 Bombarde 16 Fagott 16 Trompette 16 Bombarde 8 Fagott 8 Clairon 4 Zinck 2 Tremulant   COUPLERS Great to Pedal 8 & 4 Swell to Pedal 8 & 4 Choir to Pedal 8 & 4 Solo to Pedal 8 & 4 Bombarde/Echo to Pedal 8 & 4   Swell to Great 16 & 8 & 4 Choir to Great 16 & 8 & 4 Solo to Great 16 & 8 & 4 Bombarde/Echo to Great 16 & 8 & 4   Swell to Choir 16 & 8 & 4 Solo to Choir 16 & 8 & 4 Bombarde/Echo to Choir 16 & 8 & 4   Solo to Swell 8 Bombarde/Echo to Swell 8   Bombarde/Echo to Solo 8 Great to Solo 8   COMBINATION PISTONS 20 General Thumb & Toe 10 Great Thumb 10 Swell Thumb 10 Choir Thumb 10 Solo Thumb 5 Bombarde/Echo Thumb 10 Pedal Thumb & Toe General Cancel Thumb & Toe Set Thumb   Bombarde/Echo Shoe Choir Shoe Swell Shoe Solo Shoe Crescendo Shoe   DRAWKNOB/TABLET REVERSER PISTONS Great to Pedal Thumb & Toe Swell to Pedal Thumb & Toe Choir to Pedal Thumb & Toe Solo to Pedal Thumb & Toe Bombarde/Echo to Pedal Thumb & Toe Swell to Great Thumb Choir to Great Thumb Solo to Great Thumb Bombarde/Echo to Great Thumb & Toe Swell to Choir Thumb Solo to Swell Thumb Bombarde/Echo to Swell Thumb Bombarde/Echo to Solo Thumb Tutti Thumb & Tablet Zymbelstern Tablet (red, top row far right) Contre Bourdon 32 Toe Contra Principal 32 Toe Contre Bombarde 32 Toe Contra Violon 32 Toe 32-foot Pedal Stops Off Tablet & Toe 16-foot Manual Stops Off Tablet 16-foot Couplers Off Tablet & Toe 4-foot Couplers Off Tablet & Toe Celestes Off Tablet & Toe Orchestral Crescendo On Tablet & Toe Great & Pedal exp. with Swell Tablet & Toe Great & Pedal exp. with Choir Tablet & Toe Bombarde/Echo exp. with Solo Tablet All Expression to Swell Tablet Great Cancel Keycheek Piston Swell Cancel Keycheek Piston Choir Cancel Keycheek Piston Pedal Cancel Keycheek Piston Solo Cancel Keycheek Piston Bombarde/Echo Cancel Keycheek Piston   GENERAL CONTROLS Pedal Lights Rotary Dial Stage/Main/Both Speaker Control Rotary Dial Tuning Rotary Dial Combination Unlock Key Power          
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers From: <DMillerRodgers@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:53:51 EDT     --part1_12.f2967b2.2877b79f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The Carnegie Hall Rodgers 5 manual console is on public display in the = entry lobby of Rodgers Instruments in Hillsboro, Oregon. Next to the console is = a large photo of Virgil Fox at the bench of the same organ from VF's = Carnegie Hall concert. At the request of Carnegie Hall, the 5-manual has been replaced with a Rodgers 960, which will soon be replaced with a Rodgers = T-967.     Best regards,   Dan Miller Product Manager Rodgers Instruments LLC   dmiller@rodgers.rain.com   --part1_12.f2967b2.2877b79f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Carnegie Hall = Rodgers 5 manual console is on public display in the entry <BR>lobby of Rodgers Instruments in Hillsboro, Oregon. &nbsp;Next to the = console is a <BR>large photo of Virgil Fox at the bench of the same organ from VF's = Carnegie <BR>Hall concert. &nbsp;At the request of Carnegie Hall, the 5-manual has = been <BR>replaced with a Rodgers 960, which will soon be replaced with a = Rodgers T-967. <BR> <BR> <BR>Best regards, <BR> <BR>Dan Miller <BR>Product Manager <BR>Rodgers Instruments LLC <BR> <BR>dmiller@rodgers.rain.com</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12.f2967b2.2877b79f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:06:10 -0500   At 06:07 PM 7/6/01 -0500, Ed and Mark were discussing:   >> The Virgil Rodgers in Carnegie Hall for the 1974 concert was a >> 4- manual. >Nope. Five manuals. I got a picture of it on the stage.   Hi, all --   Is it possible that *both* of you are correct? I've only read the new Virgil Fox biography once through (and much of that reading was while on board an OHS bus on the way to somewhere, so there *were* distractions!) but I seem to recall that Virgil played *both* his 4man "original" touring Rodgers, *and* the 5man touring organ (that came later) at Carnegie on seperate occasions -- and that the Hall ended up purchasing a "twin" of = the 5man for their own as a result of the success of the concerts.   OK folks...? Whaada I have confused?? (I better read the book again!)   Cheers --   Tim      
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:45:00 EDT     --part1_c3.12f6cdbf.2877d1ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Tim and all   Yes you are wrong. Virgil's first touring Rodgers named "Black Beauty" = was a custom 3 manual. Both the later resident Carnegie Hall instrument and the =   sister touring instrument named "Royal V" were 5 manual instruments. The = 4 manual that Virgil toured with was the even later Allen console.   Bill   --part1_c3.12f6cdbf.2877d1ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3>Tim and all <BR> <BR>Yes you are wrong. &nbsp;Virgil's first touring Rodgers named "Black = Beauty" was a <BR>custom 3 manual. &nbsp;Both the later resident Carnegie Hall = instrument and the <BR>sister touring instrument named "Royal V" were 5 manual instruments. = &nbsp;The 4 <BR>manual that Virgil toured with was the even later Allen console. <BR> <BR>Bill</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c3.12f6cdbf.2877d1ac_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:58:50 EDT     --part1_16.eee71a3.2877d4ea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/6/01 3:16:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, randyterryus@yahoo.com writes:     > What we are ending up with is a very respectable 18 rank organ with a > COMPLETE 13 rank swell > division, a one stop pedal (16' Subbass) and a 4 rank great (8' & 4' > Principals, and 8' and 4' > flutes.)   And the stoplist is..............? Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_16.eee71a3.2877d4ea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/6/01 3:16:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>randyterryus@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What we are ending = up with is a very respectable 18 rank organ with a <BR>COMPLETE 13 rank swell <BR>division, a one stop pedal (16' Subbass) and a 4 rank great (8' &amp; = 4' <BR>Principals, and 8' and 4' <BR>flutes.)</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>And the stoplist is..............? <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16.eee71a3.2877d4ea_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:11:35 EDT     --part1_a2.166dceeb.2877d7e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/6/01 8:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DMillerRodgers@aol.com writes:     > At the request of Carnegie Hall, the 5-manual has been > replaced with a Rodgers 960, which will soon be replaced with a Rodgers > T-967. >   Could you please translate this into "organ"? THanky!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_a2.166dceeb.2877d7e7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/6/01 8:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>DMillerRodgers@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At the request of = Carnegie Hall, the 5-manual has been <BR>replaced with a Rodgers 960, which will soon be replaced with a = Rodgers <BR>T-967. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Could you please translate this into "organ"? &nbsp;&nbsp;THanky! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a2.166dceeb.2877d7e7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:29:24 -0500   I have the CD of his Heavy Organ concert at Carnegie and I really wish = that I had been there.   Jim H   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Brown" <edbroorg@webtv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall     > The Virgil Rodgers in Carnegie Hall for the 1974 concert was a > 4- manual. I was there... and I recall with fond joy the Bach > Eminor Prelude and Fugue in all its beauty and profundity bein > played by a man with such joy and life > Ed > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long) From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:36:48 EDT   It is interesting that with all of its many stops and knobs and alleged ranks, there are some serious flaws in the tonal design, omission of stops =   that one would normally find on a good concert organ of only three = manuals, and some voices with misnomers. There are also some spurious stops which cannot function without certain other prerequisite stops, which are absent =   from the specification. It just looks like an attempt to make it big, without having looked at the organ literature itself or organs of the = past. Guess it was a product of its times and circumstances. SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers Spec (long) From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:40:23 -0400   well, it was the world's first 5-manual electronic organ. I guess Virgil wanted everything but the kitchen sink, or the closest thing to it......   c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Spec From: "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 03:52:16 -0000   "serious flaws in the tonal design, omission of stops...misnomers. ....spurious stops...Guess it was a product of its times and = circumstances."   SMG   Spell checker must be messed up. Doesn't know you spell smug with a U, especially when criticizing a stoplist by Virgil.   RH.   No U. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Spec From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:57:46 -0400   here is a direct quote from a website I found concerning this organ.......   The Rodgers organ was removed when the hall was renovated; room could no longer be allowed for the console and audio system. It has found a home in the Arlene Schnitzer Hall at the Portland Center for the Performing Arts, Portalnd OR.   The Carnegie Hall organ had a near-twin known as Royal V (Royal Five). It was intended as a touring organ, though it fulfilled this role for only a year after its debut in 1975. It was installed in Crystal Cathedral in = 1980 and used there until the large pipe organ was in place. It is now = installed in Meishu-Sama Hall, Shinji Shumeikai, Japan. Its stoplist is very = similiar to the Carnegie Hall organ; the Pedal has an additional Open Diapason = 16ft., the fifth manual is called Grand Choeur/Orchestral, the Choir has an 8ft. Clarinet in place of the 8ft. Orchestral Oboe, and an 8ft. Tibia Minor instead of the 8ft. Waldfl=F6te. There are other minor differences of nomenclature.        
(back) Subject: Virgil Fox From: "Robert Hullem" <rhullem@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 04:03:11 -0000   It is interesting to note that companies have personalities. It is well-documented that:   Rodgers was always very proud to provide a Rodgers for Virgil.   Allen was proud that they made Virgil buy one.   RH _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com