PipeChat Digest #2213 - Sunday, July 8, 2001
 
Re: thaxted
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: New Organ
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers "out of this world" !!! ???
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: New Organ
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Internal speakers
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
RE: Wicks
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Wicks
  by "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net>
Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: prices
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
hey Bud, are you there?
  by "Steve Wiberg" <swiberg@qwest.net>
RE: hey Bud, are you there?
  by "Steve Wiberg" <swiberg@qwest.net>
Re: prices
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: prices
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: thaxted
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: prices
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: prices
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: thaxted
  by "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
Re: prices
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: prices
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: prices
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: prices
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: thaxted From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:07:27 EDT     --part1_88.8f3b385.287a258f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 08/07/01 15:11:24 GMT Daylight Time, = elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > Since that was published 68 years ago and the composer has been > dead for 80 odd years the tune as published in that hymn book is well in > the public domain. The quote below was referring to "category" as "out > of copyright" > Bob Elms. >   As well as observing the copyright in the text and music, the publisher = has copyright in his typeset version on the hymnal page. It may sometimes be legitimate to publicise the words and music of a particular item but only = as long as you do not also publish the laid out page of the anthem book or = hymn book but instead re-set the material using your own music = layout/publishing tools!   Distributing scans from recent publications is therefore normally illegal = in the USA, UK and most other places, even if the material on the page is ancient unless specific permission for reproduction is given in the publication.   Peter   Peter M Harrison   Emmanuel Church, Holcombe Ramsbottom, Lancashire, GB & P H Music tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 web http://user.aol.com/phmusic1/phm.htm   --part1_88.8f3b385.287a258f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 08/07/01 15:11:24 GMT Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Since that was = published 68 years ago and the composer has been <BR>dead for 80 odd years the tune as published in that hymn book is well = in <BR>the public domain. The quote below was referring to "category" as "out <BR>of copyright" <BR>Bob Elms. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>As well as observing the copyright in the text and music, the = publisher has <BR>copyright in his typeset version on the hymnal page. It may sometimes = be <BR>legitimate to publicise the words and music of a particular item but = only as <BR>long as you do not also publish the laid out page of the anthem book = or hymn <BR>book but instead re-set the material using your own music = layout/publishing <BR>tools! <BR> <BR>Distributing scans from recent publications is therefore normally = illegal in <BR>the USA, UK and most other places, even if the material on the page is =   <BR>ancient unless specific permission for reproduction is given in the <BR>publication. <BR> <BR>Peter <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Peter M Harrison <BR> <BR>Emmanuel Church, Holcombe <BR>Ramsbottom, Lancashire, GB <BR>&amp; P H Music <BR>tel: +44 (0)1204 853310 <BR>fax: +44 (0)1204 853445 <BR>web http://user.aol.com/phmusic1/phm.htm</FONT></HTML>   --part1_88.8f3b385.287a258f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:23:28 -0500   Why would you want a combination of pipes and electronics. Why not just = go   ahead and make it all electronic. If, on the other hand, you really want = a pipe organ, there is allways a way to get it done. Roy   "Michael K. Cronin" wrote:   > Hi: > > Our parish is putting some numbers together for a new organ for our > church (seats 1200). We expect to spend in the ballpark of $150M. > > 100% pipe is out the question. Some combination of pipe/digital is in > the picture, and has been recommended by Wicks, Rodgers, and Allen. My > question is this. Are the digital sounds Wicks and Rodgers use (Walker, > I believe) as good as those used or generated by Allen. Is there a > noticeable difference in quality of digital stops based on sampling > method or extent of sampling? > > Thanks for any help on this. > ___________________________ > Michael K. Cronin > Ormond Beach, FL > http://www.iag.net/~mcronin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Carnegie Hall Rodgers "out of this world" !!! ??? From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:38:28 EDT   In a message dated 01-07-08 12:07:57 EDT, you write:   > Claire Coachie (spelling ????   Claire Coci!!  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:02:11 EDT   In a message dated 01-07-08 17:25:40 EDT, you write:   > 100% pipe is out the question.   why???  
(back) Subject: Internal speakers From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:40:24 EDT   A few days ago there was a discussion about the Allen Renaissance that I = was interested in, but the discussion got side-tracked. Someone mentioned that =   the current Allens sound much better when played through the new Heritage series of speakers that've just come out. I have two questions: (1) In the =   smaller Allens that have internal speakers, do those speakers meet the Heritage specs ? and (2) Has anyone had experience removing internal speakers, mounting them on a baffle, and placing them in a chamber? What = were the results?   Thanks.   Tom  
(back) Subject: RE: Wicks From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 15:43:58 -0700   Well, I can only relate my own experience.   I WENT to Wicks when it appeared all we could afford was a modest UNIT = instrument of maybe 10 ranks, because Wicks DOES have the most experience in building = UNIT organs, and some of them WEREN'T bad, for what they were. In addition, I = liked the durability of electro-mechanical chests over pitman, if we were going = to go the unit route.   I was VERY clear in my initial approach that this was to be a ROMANTIC = ENGLISH SERVICE-PLAYING ORGAN, and NOTHING ELSE. I even POINTED them to Wicks = organs that made the sound I wanted, since they have the paperwork on virtually every = organ they ever built, and could easily pull the scales and shop drawings.   "Oh, we'll do whatever you want", sez they.   So I sent them a spec.   When the bid came back, it was for 10 ranks of pipes and some digital = stuff for $427K (!), and contained, among other things, a "Sprechen Nasat" at 2 = 2/3'. If somebody will show me a "Sprechen Nasat" on an UNALTERED English = service-playing organ, I'll eat my surplice (grin). The REST of the bid didn't bear much resemblance to what I'd submitted, either.   So ... my quarrel these days isn't so much with the "old" Wicks we all = loved to hate ... it's with the "new" Wicks, their PRICES, and their unwillingness = to do what I wanted.   I think y'all have read enough of my writings that you know that I'm not = exactly an idiot when it comes to organ design (grin). IF I had wanted something outrageous and/or out of the way, something they would have been ashamed = to put their name-plate on, that would have been one thing. But all I wanted from = them was a typical English village organ with an independent principal chorus, = some of the Swell duplexed to the Great for accompanimental purposes, an = "augmented" Pedal, and that was it ... nothing that they hadn't built THOUSANDS of = times in the PAST.   As it turns OUT, we're probably getting an organ of 20 straight ranks = (still with an "augmented" pedal, though, for lack of space), and for HALF the price = tag that Wicks quoted us.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks From: "Leah Smith" <gregsmithandleah@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:47:47 -0700   Hello...I just had to ask this, becouse it seems really out there. Did = you say or mean to say 427K...as in $427,000.00??????????? Four Hundred and Twenty = seven thousand dollars for ten ranks of pipes????? Exrtreme "Ouch"!!!!!! Greg   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Well, I can only relate my own experience. > > I WENT to Wicks when it appeared all we could afford was a modest UNIT = instrument > of maybe 10 ranks, because Wicks DOES have the most experience in = building UNIT > organs, and some of them WEREN'T bad, for what they were. In addition, I = liked > the durability of electro-mechanical chests over pitman, if we were = going to go > the unit route. > > I was VERY clear in my initial approach that this was to be a ROMANTIC = ENGLISH > SERVICE-PLAYING ORGAN, and NOTHING ELSE. I even POINTED them to Wicks = organs that > made the sound I wanted, since they have the paperwork on virtually = every organ > they ever built, and could easily pull the scales and shop drawings. > > "Oh, we'll do whatever you want", sez they. > > So I sent them a spec. > > When the bid came back, it was for 10 ranks of pipes and some digital = stuff for > $427K (!), and contained, among other things, a "Sprechen Nasat" at 2 = 2/3'. If > somebody will show me a "Sprechen Nasat" on an UNALTERED English = service-playing > organ, I'll eat my surplice (grin). The REST of the bid didn't bear much > resemblance to what I'd submitted, either. > > So ... my quarrel these days isn't so much with the "old" Wicks we all = loved to > hate ... it's with the "new" Wicks, their PRICES, and their = unwillingness to do > what I wanted. > > I think y'all have read enough of my writings that you know that I'm not = exactly > an idiot when it comes to organ design (grin). IF I had wanted something > outrageous and/or out of the way, something they would have been ashamed = to put > their name-plate on, that would have been one thing. But all I wanted = from them > was a typical English village organ with an independent principal = chorus, some of > the Swell duplexed to the Great for accompanimental purposes, an = "augmented" > Pedal, and that was it ... nothing that they hadn't built THOUSANDS of = times in > the PAST. > > As it turns OUT, we're probably getting an organ of 20 straight ranks = (still with > an "augmented" pedal, though, for lack of space), and for HALF the price = tag that > Wicks quoted us. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:58:14 -0700   Folks, I thank you for your suggestions, but I have already exhausted those avenues. If BOTH my choral music dealer AND the publishers in question SAY they're permanently out of print, then they ARE permanently out of print. I can't CONJURE them (grin) ... my only other recourse is to try and order them through Interlibrary Loan, and I just don't have the energy ... it's far too hard for me to get around.   An aside: has anybody tried to ask Concordia a question lately? Good grief! They must have machine-gun nests around the place, and inquisitors to inquire about the caller's theological orthodoxy. I'd boycott them, if they didn't still hold some of Dr. Willan's copyrights.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 17:08:12 -0700       Leah Smith wrote:   > Hello...I just had to ask this, becouse it seems really out there. Did = you say or > mean to say 427K...as in $427,000.00??????????? Four Hundred and Twenty = seven > thousand dollars for ten ranks of pipes????? Exrtreme "Ouch"!!!!!! = Greg >   Just to be clear, I did indeed say "four hundred and twenty-seven THOUSAND = dollars", for ten unit ranks of pipes, and a few digital things ... celeste, oboe, = and the 16' octave of the Principal and the Trombone, I think ... I TOSSED the = proposal after reading it once (grin).   Ten ranks SHOULD be around two hundred thousand dollars at MOST, even = making allowances for the fact that 73-note or 85-note unit ranks run more per rank than = single 61-note independent ranks, particularly if they're extended at the bass end. And = that's the "high-priced spread" ... most smaller builders could (and would) build you = a ten-rank unit organ for CONSIDERABLY less.   I was told sub rosa by someone with an "in" at the factory that if they = don't LIKE a prospective customer, they jack up their quotes to chase them off ... they = certainly succeeded in my case (grin).    
(back) Subject: hey Bud, are you there? From: "Steve Wiberg" <swiberg@qwest.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:16:35 -0700   Bud,   I don't know if you remember me from IRC a week or so ago --- joined you = on IRC on an "off-night" and we talked a bit about anglo-catholic parishes = and how my episcopal parish went defunct a while back and stuff...   Anyway, if you're on the computer right now and have a few minutes, look = for me on IRC -- I visited an anglo-catholic parish here in Phoenix this = morning and would love to chat with you a little about it.     Steve Wiberg (Steve-in-the-desert)    
(back) Subject: RE: hey Bud, are you there? From: "Steve Wiberg" <swiberg@qwest.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:28:50 -0700   Oops! That was supposed to go to Bud, not to the list! Faux-pas!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Steve Wiberg Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 6:17 PM To: PipeChat Subject: hey Bud, are you there?     Bud,   I don't know if you remember me from IRC a week or so ago --- joined you = on IRC on an "off-night" and we talked a bit about anglo-catholic parishes = and how my episcopal parish went defunct a while back and stuff...   Anyway, if you're on the computer right now and have a few minutes, look = for me on IRC -- I visited an anglo-catholic parish here in Phoenix this = morning and would love to chat with you a little about it.     Steve Wiberg (Steve-in-the-desert)     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:29:28 -0500   I find it hard to fathom that Wicks could charge that much, or that 10 = ranks should be anywhere near $200k. A builder I worked for about 15 years ago built a very nice, unified, electropneumatic, 3 manual, 12 rank organ for around $75,000. This was the base organ, and the 3rd manual was a prepared for choir division. It was a new built drawknob console. All new pipework = (unvoiced from OSI - he voiced it ). His shop built all the chests, unit e.p. pouch style. Given that there is increased cost today, I suppose the organ would be around $100k, but it floors me that builders are pricing themselves out of = a shrinking market. I recall reading of a church that spent almost $100k for a 5 rank, single manual (56 notes), tracker instrument voiced in non equal = temperment. This was their primary instrument. What a great busines. J   ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com>   > > Ten ranks SHOULD be around two hundred thousand dollars at MOST, even making allowances > for the fact that 73-note or 85-note unit ranks run more per rank than single 61-note > independent ranks, particularly if they're extended at the bass end. And that's the > "high-priced spread" ... most smaller builders could (and would) build = you a ten-rank > unit organ for CONSIDERABLY less. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:36:57 -0500   At 7:29 PM -0500 7/8/01, Jeffery Korns wrote: > I recall reading of a church that spent almost $100k for a 5 rank, >single manual (56 notes), tracker instrument voiced in non equal = temperment. >This was their primary instrument. > What a great busines.   Jeffery   Some of the "Boutique" builders charge $20,000 and up per rank so 5 ranks from one of them would be right in the neighborhood of $100,000. But not all builders are in that neighborhood - i would guess most are somewhere between $15,000 and $18,000 per rank. And I can remember when I was in school that the prices were somewhere around $1,000 - $2,000 per rank!!!   David  
(back) Subject: Re: thaxted From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:32:35 +0800   I don't know what the copyright law is in the USA or UK but here in Australia copyright on the original notation published by a composer expires 50 years after his(her) death. A publisher may then print it in its original form or in an altered form and copyright his publication. However that printing has only copyright protection for 25 years. Copyright on that version then expires amd may not be renewed. I can therefore legally photocopy the page from the Methodist Hymn Book of 1933 and dispose of it however I wish. The laws in other countries may be different. However if anyone wants a copy of Thhxed from the MHB (1933) I can furnish it under our laws without risk of penalty.I do not have to reset the score. Bob E.   > as well as observing the copyright in the text and music, the publisher = has copyright in his typeset version on the hymnal page. It may sometimes = be legitimate to publicise the words and music of a particular item but = only as long as you do not also publish the laid out page of the anthem = book or hymn book but instead re-set the material using your own music = layout/publishing tools!    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 19:59:05 -0500   Much lower David. Check your AIO survey. Unfortunately there is much = mis- information out there about pricing, and it is being used against us by = those who   have a vested interest in selling the other product. Also, some builders = like to   brag about how much they are getting. Check the survey. It is private, = of course so we can't post it on the list, but customers can certainly find out the = truth by consulting several builders.. Roy   David Scribner wrote:   > At 7:29 PM -0500 7/8/01, Jeffery Korns wrote: > > I recall reading of a church that spent almost $100k for a 5 rank, > >single manual (56 notes), tracker instrument voiced in non equal = temperment. > >This was their primary instrument. > > What a great busines. > > Jeffery > > Some of the "Boutique" builders charge $20,000 and up per rank so 5 > ranks from one of them would be right in the neighborhood of > $100,000. But not all builders are in that neighborhood - i would > guess most are somewhere between $15,000 and $18,000 per rank. And I > can remember when I was in school that the prices were somewhere > around $1,000 - $2,000 per rank!!! > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:10:10 -0500   The price of the 1 manual instrument in my post was that claimed by the builder in the AGO magazine, about 11 years ago. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>       > Much lower David. Check your AIO survey. Unfortunately there is much mis- > information out there about pricing, and it is being used against us by those who > > have a vested interest in selling the other product. Also, some = builders like to > > brag about how much they are getting. Check the survey. It is private, of > course > so we can't post it on the list, but customers can certainly find out = the truth > by > consulting several builders.. > Roy > > David Scribner wrote: > > > At 7:29 PM -0500 7/8/01, Jeffery Korns wrote: > > > I recall reading of a church that spent almost $100k for a 5 = rank, > > >single manual (56 notes), tracker instrument voiced in non equal temperment. > > >This was their primary instrument. > > > What a great busines. > > > > Jeffery > > > > Some of the "Boutique" builders charge $20,000 and up per rank so 5 > > ranks from one of them would be right in the neighborhood of > > $100,000. But not all builders are in that neighborhood - i would > > guess most are somewhere between $15,000 and $18,000 per rank. And I > > can remember when I was in school that the prices were somewhere > > around $1,000 - $2,000 per rank!!! > > > > David > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: thaxted From: "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:05:14 -0400   Bob Elms wrote: > > I don't know what the copyright law is in the USA or UK but here in > Australia copyright on the original notation published by a composer > expires 50 years after his(her) death. A publisher may then print it in > its original form or in an altered form and copyright his publication. > However that printing has only copyright protection for 25 years. > Copyright on that version then expires amd may not be renewed. I can > therefore legally photocopy the page from the Methodist Hymn Book of > 1933 and dispose of it however I wish. > The laws in other countries may be different. However if anyone wants a > copy of Thhxed from the MHB (1933) I can furnish it under our laws > without risk of penalty.I do not have to reset the score. > Bob E. > > > as well as observing the copyright in the text and music, the = publisher has copyright in his typeset version on the hymnal page. It may = sometimes be legitimate to publicise the words and music of a particular = item but only as long as you do not also publish the laid out page of the = anthem book or hymn book but instead re-set the material using your own = music layout/publishing tools! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   I would very much like a copy but would prefer that copy be FAXED to me. If this would be possible from you, I will furnish my fax number. Thank you very much. -Jane Hanudel  
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:20:55 -0700   That may be so Roy (probably is, in fact), but I have three proposals = sitting on my desk for a two-manual tracker instrument of 20 stops, mechanical stop = action, no frills, no chamades, no 32's (grin), from three CANADIAN builders, that = were done at a time when the exchange rate was VERY favorable ... they ALL came = in RIGHT at $426K ... and I'm talking about the SMALLER, less-well-known = builders, not the big guys.   It turned out we couldn't HAVE a tracker because California fire marshals = think people are too STOOPID to walk AROUND an organ-case to get to a fire door = in the west wall of the loft, so we have to leave the middle of the west wall for = the fire door, and the organ has to go above it. Or maybe they thought a = tracker organ was a fire hazard (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:24:27 -0500   Shame on you for consulting only Canadian builders!! Roy   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > That may be so Roy (probably is, in fact), but I have three proposals = sitting on > my desk for a two-manual tracker instrument of 20 stops, mechanical stop = action, > no frills, no chamades, no 32's (grin), from three CANADIAN builders, = that were > done at a time when the exchange rate was VERY favorable ... they ALL = came in > RIGHT at $426K ... and I'm talking about the SMALLER, less-well-known = builders, > not the big guys. > > It turned out we couldn't HAVE a tracker because California fire = marshals think > people are too STOOPID to walk AROUND an organ-case to get to a fire = door in the > west wall of the loft, so we have to leave the middle of the west wall = for the > fire door, and the organ has to go above it. Or maybe they thought a = tracker > organ was a fire hazard (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:30:51 -0400   um, I don't see anything wrong with consulting ONLY Canadian organ = builders. We make some pretty good instruments up here.........   Casavant Guilbault-Th=E9rien Fran=E7ois Caron O. Jacques de Montr=E9al   ummm, forget about the last one!!! *snicker*   is Gabriel Kney Canadian?   c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:35:38 -0700   I DIDN'T (grin) ... I DID try them FIRST because of the exchange rate. I = was shocked BECAUSE they came in about the same as the American builders I consulted = later.   As it turns out, we're getting 11 stops of revoiced work and 9 stops of = new work with new windchests, a new blower, and a solid-stated rebuilt console for = around $250K ... I can live with that, though I may have to follow the Rector around with = smelling salts until it's installed (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Roy Redman wrote:   > Shame on you for consulting only Canadian builders!! > Roy >