PipeChat Digest #2214 - Monday, July 9, 2001
 
Re: prices
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: prices
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: prices
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: prices
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: prices
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted)
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
pipechat@pipechat.orgRe: On Digitals and Stoplists... here's one!
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "Canadian Classic"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: New Organ
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Announcement
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
5 Million Dollar Portative
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: realistic prices
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec (very long)
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: prices
  by "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
Re: prices
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: prices
  by "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
R. C. Position available in South florida
  by "Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: prices
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: prices
  by "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
Re: prices
  by "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: prices From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 18:38:52 -0700       Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > um, I don't see anything wrong with consulting ONLY Canadian organ buil= ders. We make some > pretty good instruments up here......... > > Casavant > Guilbault-Th=E9rien > Fran=E7ois Caron > O. Jacques de Montr=E9al > > ummm, forget about the last one!!! > *snicker* > > is Gabriel Kney Canadian?   Yeah, but he's either retired, or dead, or both.   Don't forget Wolff, Juget-Sinclair, etc. ... there's another one, but the= name escapes me ... he builds in Canada, but he's curator of organs at Oberlin. What about Le= Tourneau? They're building a lot for Episcopal churches in this country ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:45:51 -0500   Sometimes builders will take less money on a "prestige" installation. I know of one Minnesota installation that was right around $950k. For = that money the church got a 5 manual 112 rank mechanical action organ, complete with full length 32' principle in the facade and full lenght 32' Contre Pasaune (sp?) and 32' Bourdon. Also included was a horizontal Spanish Trumpet, and a remote, movable 4 manual console (using magnetic pulldowns) oh, and a combination action expandable to 128 levels. Needless to say the builder said that this was a one of a kind for them. J ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> > As it turns out, we're getting 11 stops of revoiced work and 9 stops of new work with > new windchests, a new blower, and a solid-stated rebuilt console for around $250K ... > I can live with that, though I may have to follow the Rector around with smelling > salts until it's installed (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Roy Redman wrote: > > > Shame on you for consulting only Canadian builders!! > > Roy > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 21:46:06 -0400   I think Gabriel Kney is better off dead. I played his 4-manual joke at the = Roy Thompson concert hall in Toronto........   oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 20:48:20 -0500   The truth is, there is quite a range of prices. Some builders, in various = parts of the country, have much higher overhead costs. Some builders have much = higher operating costs, because of the way they operate. Some builders will have = a very long waiting period, and will be pricing for some years in the future. = What a gamble! Did you ever see a rich organbuilder? The money somehow goes into the instrument. Most organbuilders have the "disease" and want to produce = as fine an instrument as possible in a given situation. As someone has said, = if you want to have a small fortune build organs. Just be sure you have a large = fortune when getting into organbuilding. Roy   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I DIDN'T (grin) ... I DID try them FIRST because of the exchange rate. I = was shocked > BECAUSE they came in about the same as the American builders I consulted = later. > > As it turns out, we're getting 11 stops of revoiced work and 9 stops of = new work with > new windchests, a new blower, and a solid-stated rebuilt console for = around $250K ... > I can live with that, though I may have to follow the Rector around with = smelling > salts until it's installed (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Roy Redman wrote: > > > Shame on you for consulting only Canadian builders!! > > Roy > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:05:18 -0500     quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > An aside: has anybody tried to ask Concordia a question lately?   Within the past few weeks, actually; I was seeking information on some of Willan's material. With a couple of exceptions, mainly the Great O antiphons, Concordia has returned all of the copyrights on the material = that they formerly held to Mr. Willan's heirs. If you write to Concordia about something of Willan's that they published, and that they have returned the copyright on, they will gladly forward it; otherwise, I know the address = for Dr. Willan's executor is in the archive of at least one email list....   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:07:06 -0400   I can tell you that our (under contract/ under construction) organ is costing us $ 12,400/rank (40 ranks)   (We could have done MUCH better at Organ Clearing House !)   Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Willan anthems, cont. (X-posted) From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:14:34 EDT     --part1_c5.1324a1ac.287a6d8a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/8/2001 10:05:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjolnir@ticnet.com writes:     > I was seeking information on some of > Willan's material.   It won't help with current publishing availabilities, but it might be of interest that after Willan's death, Giles Bryant published a handsomely = done catalogue of all of Willan's works. Having just moved, I cannot find it = now, and can't tell you by whom it was published. Mary Willan Mason, Willan's daughter, was for a long time the director of the Ontario Choral = Federation, a provincial organization.   When I was a cathedral organist in Canada, I explored a lot of the Willan canticle and Mass settings, and was steered to the Mass in F# Minor by = Mrs. Mason, as the one she thought best of all. We had lots of treble boys, and =   the five voice, double treble, texture of the Kyrie was ravishing.   None of this helps you with your immediate problem, but I thought it might = be of interest.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler   --part1_c5.1324a1ac.287a6d8a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 7/8/2001 10:05:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>mjolnir@ticnet.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I was seeking = information on some of <BR>Willan's material.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It won't help with current publishing availabilities, but it might be = of <BR>interest that after Willan's death, Giles Bryant published a = handsomely done <BR>catalogue of all of Willan's works. Having just moved, I cannot find = it now, <BR>and can't tell you by whom it was published. Mary Willan Mason, = Willan's <BR>daughter, was for a long time the director of the Ontario Choral = Federation, <BR>a provincial organization. <BR> <BR>When I was a cathedral organist in Canada, I explored a lot of the = Willan <BR>canticle and Mass settings, and was steered to the Mass in F# Minor by = Mrs. <BR>Mason, as the one she thought best of all. We had lots of treble boys, = and <BR>the five voice, double treble, texture of the Kyrie was ravishing. <BR> <BR>None of this helps you with your immediate problem, but I thought it = might be <BR>of interest. <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c5.1324a1ac.287a6d8a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: pipechat@pipechat.orgRe: On Digitals and Stoplists... here's one! From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:19:07 EDT   Having looked over all four stoplists mentioned in that post, they ALL = fall VERY short of being able to handle the literature with accuracy. They are =   poorly designed, whether real or simluated. But then again, they're big = and have lots of switches.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Canadian Classic" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:32:52 EDT   Many of the greatest surviving Casavants which have NOT been tonally slaughtered in the name of rebuilding have a decidedly English sound, = built under the tonal aegis of Stephen Stoot, who joined the firm in 1920. His mind and ears were responsible for many of their most spectacular installations, from modest to monumental. Unfortunately, most of these great organs, like Skinners and Kimballs = of the period, have been destroyed or revoiced and rebuilt beyond musical recognition. They have been most damaged by those who mistakenly thought that a Canadian nameplate meant the organ was REALLY supposed to be French. They =   resorted to removing all of the Trombas and Tubae and putting in coarse, blatant reeds with open shallots, as well as adding many ranks of = unblending and shrill upperwork, pitched much too high for the noble English Diapason =   choruses already in place. Many of these great Casavants have only half = of their original pipework left, and even THAT has been savagely revoiced. Casavants of the late 1920s and the 1930s were great organs, impeccably =   built, and can be beautifully restored to their original responsive = actions and elegant tonal finishing. While the present generation and the last = seem to associate the work of Phelps and Brunzema with the firm, Casavant = Freres have always had some superb installations amongst their output.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:49:49 EDT   Dear Michael:   150 grand can get you a wonderful all-pipe organ that will retain its = value and integrity, and will continue to be taken seriously as a musical instrument by future generations.   Vintage pipe organs of great quality can be rebuilt and enlarged for that budget.   Such quality organs can be found via many, many, many reliable and experienced sources and practitioners from all over the world, many of = whom you have access to through this list and through various journals. I can assure you that there are organbuilding firms out there now looking for = homes for pipes organs ranging from ten ranks to four manuals and 50 ranks. They're all out there, waiting to be contacted, but the public just = doesn't seem to think there is more than one source for a vintage instrument, or = that the ONLY alternative is digital.   My advice is that they either purchase a fine older organ in invest in its =   refurbishment, or dump the cash into an all-electronic organ. Mixing meat =   and dairy has never sat well with the Almighty.  
(back) Subject: Announcement From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:48:17 -0400   Memebers of the List:   This is to announce the presentation of a Silent Film Short Double Feature = at the Royalty Theatre in Clearwater, Florida on Saturday July 14@7:00pm and = again on Sunday July 15 @ 3:00pm. The films being shown will be High Flyers = w/Abbott & Costello and Big Business w/Laurel & Hardy. Accompaniment provided by = yours truly on the 3/16 Marr & Colton/Devtronix organ installed in the theatre.   More information available at http://www.royaltytheatre.org   Tom Hoehn Royalty Theatre, Clearwater, FL      
(back) Subject: 5 Million Dollar Portative From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:56:42 EDT   All you have to do is sell ONE.  
(back) Subject: Re: realistic prices From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:07:16 EDT   Roy Redman is right on target here.   Most people are given false information about the cost of investing in a = pipe organ.   And it is always interesting that when a fine, vintage pipe organ is up = for sale, nobody wants "an old organ" or "wheezy junk," making that assessment =   before even evaluating the instrument's potential or possible reconfiguration. But if it's an old violin, well, THAT'S a different = story altogether!!!   Could it be easier to write a check for a shiny, new, plug-n-play, than to =   research and evaluate more genuine possibilities and make artistic judgements? Is it possible that we fiercely latch on to the few = third-hand, unconfirmed "horror-stories" so that we don't HAVE to engage in the work = and effort involved in doing something lasting and elegant, and aesthetically valid? Is it easier to purchase a pre-decided, pre-digested stoplist, = even a poor one, so that our own judgement cannot be called to task?   True, you DO get what you pay for, so if you come to an organbuilder with 40,000 dollars, you're not going to get a large instrument. And if you = DO, something is rotten in Denmark. It's all a question of using your head, taking the time to investigate the possibilities OUTSIDE the very few hammered into your psyche. Making ONE phone call isn't sufficient, not if =   you have a dream and ideals and standards. "Yeah, I called them, and got their answering machine, so we bought a DX1700. I didn't know who else to call. They're the only people I've = heard of." Think of all of the opportunities lost...   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec (very long) From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:42:59 -0400   due to the length of the spec, I left out the combinations, couplers, = reversibles, and mechanical things. I've played this massive organ, and it was like being in heaven. Note.....this is NOT a true pipe organ, but rather a combo = pipe/electronic!!!   Hazel Wright Organ 5 Manuals 265 Speaking Stops 196 Voices 273 Ranks 15,948 pipes 66 Tilting Tablets 32 Levels of Memory SSL Capture System 10 Blowers (6 in chancel,2 in gallery, 1 in each chamade division) Total Blower H. P. =3D 31 52 Reservoirs 106 Wind Chests   GREAT (manual II) Unenclosed-3rd level west tower 33 stops, 30 voices, 47 ranks, 2758 pipes Montre 16 Kontra Geigen 16 Bourdon 16 Diapason 8 Principal Major 8 Principal 8 Holz Bourdon 8 Flute Harmonique 8 Spitzflote 8 Spitz Celeste 8 Gross Quinte 5 1/3 Octave 4 Octav 4 Flute a Chiminee 4 Flute Ouverte 4 Gross Tierce 3 1/5 Quinte 2 2/3 Sesquailtera II 2 2/3 Jeu de Tierce II 2 2/3 Fifteenth 2 Super Octave 2 Blockflote 2 Grand Fourniture II-VII 2 2/3 Ripieno IV 1 1/3 Mixture IV-VI 1 1/3 Cimbalo IV 2/3 Zimbel III-V 2/3 Contre Trompette 16 Posaune 16 Fagotto 16 (Choir) Trompette 8 Trompete 8 Clairon 4 Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super   SWELL (manual III) Enclosed-1st level west tower (Skinner) and 1st level east tower (Ruffatti) 37 stops, 35 voices, 43 ranks, 2798 pipes Flute Courte 16 Quintadena 16 Montre 8 Principal 8 Viole de Gamba 8 Viole Celeste 8 Salicional 8 Voix Celeste 8 Erzahler 8 Erzahler Celeste 8 Flute Couverte 8 Bourdon 8 Prestant 4 Octave 4 Flute a Pavillon 4 Cor de Nuit 4 Nazard 2 2/3 Doublette 2 Flute a Bec 2 Tierce 1 3/5 Larigot 1 1/3 Piccolo 1 None 8/9 Plein Jeu III 2 Ripieno V 2 Cymbale III 2/3 Bombarde 16 Contre Trompette 16 Basson 16 Premiere Trompette 8 Deuxieme Trompette 8 Hautbois d'Orchestre 8 Hautbois 8 Voix Humaine 8 Premiere Clairon 4 Deuxieme Clairon 4 Cornet V 8 (collective) Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super Skinner expression to Solo shoe Ruffatti expression to Solo shoe   CHOIR (manual I) Enclosed-2nd level east tower 19 stops, 17 voices, 20 ranks, 1314 pipes Gemshorn 16 Viola Pomposa 8 Viola Celeste 8 Cor de Nuit 8 Flauto Dolce 8 Flauto Celeste 8 Prinzipal 4 Koppelflote 4 Rohr Nasat 2 2/3 Prinzipal 2 Zauberflote 2 Tierce 1 3/5 Larigot 1 1/3 Scharff IV 2/3 Fagotto 16 Petite Trompette 8 Clarinet 8 Fagotto 4 Millenial Trumpet 8 (Gallery Great) Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super Great/Choir Transfer   POSITIV (manual V) Unenclosed-4th level east tower 14 stops, 11 voices, 16 ranks, 976 pipes Bourdon 16 (Great) Principal 8 Rohrflote 8 Prinzipal 4 Spillflote 4 Oktav 2 Larigot 1 1/3 Sifflote 1 Scharff IV 2/3 Terz Zimbel III 1/4 Fagotto 16 (Choir) Krummhorn 8 Rohr Schalmei 4 Tuba Mirabilis 8 (Solo) Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super   SOLO (manual IV) 2nd level west tower 24 stops, 19 voices, 29 ranks, 1757 pipes ENCLOSED Gambe 8 Gambe Celeste 8 Flauto Heroique 8 (Celestial) Doppelflote 8 Major Octave 4 Orchestral Flute 4 Quinte Flute 2 2/3 Octave Flute 2 Harmonics VI 2 Gross Fourniture III 1 1/3 Cymbel IV 1/2 English Post Horn 16 Trompette Harmonique 8 English Post Horn 8 English Horn 8 French Horn 8 Corno di Bassetto 8 Clairon Harmonique 4 UNENCLOSED Flute d'Arvella 8 (Pedal) Herald Trumpet 8 Millenial Trumpet 8 (Gallery Great) Tuba Manga 16 Tuba Mirabilis 8 Tuba Clarion 4 Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super   PEDAL Unenclosed-2nd level west tower, 4th level east tower and central space between towers 55 stops, 22 voices, 31 ranks, 1100 pipes La Force 64 (from 32 Diap. resultant) Double Diapason 32 Kontra Geigen 32 Contra Bourdon 32 (electronic) Diapente Grave 21 1/3 Diapason 16 Contre Basse 16 Contre Basso 16 Geigen 16 (Great) Montre 16 (Great) Principal 16 Bourdon 16 Subbasso 16 Gemshorn 16 (Choir) Flute Courte 16 (Swell) Quintadena 16 (Swell) Quinte 10 2/3 Octave 8 Principal 8 Violone 8 Geigen 8 (Great) Spitzflote 8 Principal 8 (Positiv) Bourdon 8 Bordone 8 Gemshorn 8 (Choir) Flute Courte 8 (Swell) Octave Quinte 5 1/3 Choralbass 4 Octave 4 Principal 4 (Positiv) Spillflote 4 Spireflote 4 Octave 2 Spindleflote 2 Fourniture IV 5 1/3 Ripieno VI 2 2/3 Acuta II 1 1/3 Grand Cornet IV 32 (derived) Kontra Posaune 32 Contra Fagotto 32 Posaune 16 Contre Trompette 16 (Great) Bombarde 16 (Swell) Basson 16 (Swell) English Post Horn 16 (Solo) Fagotto 16 (Choir) Trompete 8 Trompette 8 Fagotto 8 (Choir) Krummhorn 8 (Positiv) Klarine 4 Trompette 4 Rohr Schalmei 4 (Positiv) Zink 2 (Positiv)   GOSPEL (floating) Unenclosed-east gallery 3 stops, 3 voices, 3 ranks, 195 pipes Trompette en Chamade 16 Trompette en Chamade 8 Trompette en Chamade 4 Principal 8 Octave 4 Super Octave 2 Mixture IV 1 1/3 Sub On Manual V On Manual IV On Manual III On Manual II On Manual I   EPISTLE (floating) Unenclosed-west gallery Mounted Cornet-Central Pedal 5 stops, 5 voices, 9 ranks, 513 pipes Trompette en Chamade 16 Trompette en Chamade 8 Trompette en Chamade 4 Trompette en Chamade 2 Mounted Cornet V 8 Principal 8 Octave 4 Mixture V 2 Sub On Manual V On Manual IV On Manual III On Manual II On Manual I   HOOFDWERK (Manual II) Cantilevered-1st level east tower 10 stops, 17 ranks, Prepared For Praestant 8 Holpijp 8 Quintadeen 8 Octaaf 4 Fluit 4 Super Octaaf 2 Mixtuur V 1 1/3 Scherp IV 2/3 Buzain 16 Trompet 8   BORSTWERK (Manual III) Cantilevered-1st level west tower 7 stops, 12 ranks, Prepared For Roerfluit 8 Speelfluit 4 Gemshoorn 2 Tertiaan II 1 3/5 Terzcymbel III 1/3* Buntcymbel III 1/3** Baarpijp 16 Tremulant *Terzcymbel: 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 **Buntcymbel: 4/15, 2/9, 1/6   ECHO (floating) Electronic-speaking from catwalk 120' above the floor Fern Flute 8 Vox Amorosa II 8 Voix Seraphique II 8 Choeur Des Violes III 8 Divinare 4 Rohr Nasat 2 2/3 Oboe D'Amore 8 Anthropoglossa 8 Tremulant Sub Super On Manual V On Manual III On Manual I   PERCUSSION Carillon on I (tower carillon) Carillon on IV (tower carillon) Carillon on Pedal (tower carillon) Harp 8 (Choir) Celesta 4 (Choir) Glockenstern (Positiv) Etoile de Grand Matin (Gallery) Chancel Chimes (Choir) Gallery Chimes (Celestial) Rosinoll on Pedal I (Gallery) Electronic stops tuner Chimes volumes   GALLERY GREAT (manual II) Unenclosed-gallery organ west side 15 stops, 11 voices, 19 ranks, 1139 pipes Grande Montre 8 (Gallery Pedal) Holz principal 8 Holzgedeckt 8 Octave 4 Koppelflote 4 Fifteenth 2 Nineteenth 1 1/3 Twenty-Second 1 Fourniture V 1 1/3 Zimbel IV 1/2 Contra Trompette 16 Trompette 8 Clarion 4 Millenial Trumpet 8 Herald Trumpet 8 (Solo) Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super On Manual V On Manual IV On Manual III On Manual II On Manual I   CELESTIAL (manual V) Enclosed-gallery organ east side 25 stops, 22 voices, 31 ranks, 1994 pipes Bourdon Doux 16 Flauto Dolce 16 Principal 8 Viola Pomposa 8 Viola Celeste 8 Flauto Dolce 8 Flauto Celeste 8 Flute a Chiminee 8 Principal 4 Italian Principal 4 Flute Traversiere 4 Sesquialtera II 2 2/3 Doublette 2 Octavin 2 Plein Jeu V 1 1/3 Cymbale IV 2/3 Jeu de Clochette II 4/5 Contre Trompette 16 Ranquette 16 Trompette 8 Cor Anglais 8 Cromorne 8 Voix Humaine 8 Cor de Schuller 4 Chalumeau 4 Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super Positiv off V   STRING (floating) Enclosed-gallery organ west side 16 stops, 16 voices, 16 ranks, 1144 pipes Viola 16 Viola Celeste 16 Dulciana 8 Unda Maris 8 Salicional 8 Voix Celeste 8 Dulcett 8 Dulcett Celeste 8 Muted Viole I 8 Muted Viole I Celeste 8 Muted Viole II 8 Muted Viole II Celeste 8 Violoncello 8 Violoncello Celeste 8 Rohrpfeife 8 Nacthorn 4 Tremulant Sub Unison Off Super On Manual V On Manual IV On Manual III On Manual II On Manual I   GALLERY PEDAL Unenclosed-gallery organ east side and center 19 stops, 5 voices, 9 ranks, 260 pipes Untersatz 32 Montre le Tour 16 Open Wood 16 Bourdon 16 Bourdon Dou (Celestial) Viola (String) Viola Celeste (String) Prestant 8 Bourdon 8 Viola Celeste 8 II (String) Bass de Choral 4 Mixture V 2 Grand Harmoniques IV 32 (derived) Contre Bombarde 32 Bombarde 16 Contre Trompette 16 (Celestial) Trumpet 8 Clarion 4 Millenial Trumpet 8 (Gallery Great)    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:42:09 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > I think Gabriel Kney is better off dead.   <sigh>.....This is uncalled for. JNP    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:49:31 -0400   oh "JNP"......give me a break!!! You know very well what I meant, and = don't you dare pretend you didn't.   c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:51:13 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > oh "JNP"......give me a break!!! You know very well what I meant, and = don't you dare > pretend you didn't. >   Dare? Kinda harsh words....   JNP    
(back) Subject: R. C. Position available in South florida From: "Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:52:39 -0500   Hi, Y'all!   A good friend who is a director of music at a large R. C. parish in South Florida has asked me to post a note that he is looking for an associate (maybe 2) organist and director. I asked him to give me a few of the requirements for the job and the following is what he sent. I didn't ask = him about money but I'm sure it will be a satisfactory+ salary with full benefits. The Church is pipeless but has a very satisfactory new digital instrument. Please contact me personally at dmiller@crpc.org and I will forward your e-mail to my friend.   1. musicality and an integrated spirituality are essentials; fundamental theology and logic need not apply (Catholic appropriation and understanding of "Community") 2. supervised by the Director of Music 3. choral skills and STRONG keyboard skills 4. ability to improvise is a must 5. personality       what they can expect from us:   -a unique working environment and a community of 10,000 faithful souls -the opportunity to expand on one's talent as well as apply "new ideas" -strong singing resources in the pews -an enthusiastic staff -a supportive pastoral staff -a new organ -a new Steinway on the way this fall -a set vision/mission for the future -a salary to be negotiated -a 2000 year old mainstream tradition -- The Roman Catholic Church -- in others words: job security        
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:59:21 -0400   oh good grief........   forget it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not going to allow you to make me out to be the bad guy here. You know = very well what I meant the first time, as well as the 2nd time. it seems no matter what I = do right now, you'll find something wrong with it. I'm being the mature adult here, and = dropping it.   Have a nice evening :) c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 00:01:06 -0500   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > > Have a nice evening :) > c.p.   I already have, but thanks anyway. jnp    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "jnathan" <jnatpat@infi.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 00:03:47 -0500   Dennis, How do I forward something to you? Thanks for your immediate response. JNP