PipeChat Digest #2216 - Monday, July 9, 2001
 
Re: stoplists and the literature
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: New Organ
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: thaxted
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: R. C. Position available in South florida
  by "Makemy Day" <mxakemyday@yahoo.com>
Re: prices
  by <SProt82850@cs.com>
Re: prices
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: prices
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
JNP and CP fight
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Wicks
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
RE: prices
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
ALL READ!!! Re: JNP and CP fight
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: 'BLACK BEAUTY' TOURING ORGAN
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec  <short>
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec  <short>
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
RE: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: stoplists and the literature
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:27:17 -0400       RE Cassavants post 1960   Carlo:   If memory serves, L. Phelps took over as tonal designer at some point in = the mid 1960's. This could account for the shift in design. I played a Cassavant from that era(1967) for several years at WV Wesleyan College. = Its a fine four manual instrument in and the specs are pretty much what you would expect. However, a good deal of money was spent over the last = twenty years, "warming up" and putting the iceing on the cake if you will. Ive only played a few older vants and they were not in great shape at the time =   so I really cant compare tonal construction by period.   Craig by the Lake   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:39:26 -0400         Michael:   Ive been invovled with both Allen and Walker augmentations. As far as I = can tell, both firms provide acceptable tonal work. However, I prefer the speakers that are supplied by Allen. For my money thats where the = weakness of any audio system is and in the case of digital voices its imparative to =   have a reliable and authentic deliviery system   Craig   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Re: thaxted From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:31:32 +0800   The periods in this country are still 50 and 25 years. Thaxted then, in the UK, will still be well out of copyright as composer's copyright would have expired in 1983. We had to go into copyright law because of some action by one copyright group who targetted Eisteddfod. They really put the cat among the pigeons. Guess this is off topic. Pipechat puts all replies out in publc which makes communication difficult at times. Bob Elms.   > Yes, Bob - I agree - almost! > The publishers copyright period in his typeset work only lasts to the = end of the 25th year after the book was published. This is why I referred = to copying from "recent" publications. > However, the 50 year period from the death of the composer/author was > extended to 70 years in the UK's 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act = and similar changes were made to legislation in the USA and many other = places around the same time.    
(back) Subject: Re: R. C. Position available in South florida From: "Makemy Day" <mxakemyday@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 05:43:58 -0700 (PDT)   >-a 2000 year old mainstream tradition -- The Roman Catholic Church -- in others words: job security   Job security ? Who are they kidding ? There's no such thing. Never has been-especially in the R.C. Church.   Money makes decisions. If the largest financial supporter of the church don't like you or don't want you, you can bet you will be without a job. The clergy could care less how qualified or good you are. They run the church like big business.   Signed, Anonymous (to protect my own job).   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: <SProt82850@cs.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:01:55 EDT     --part1_d2.912c6ae.287b1353_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/8/01 9:49:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, organist@total.net writes:     > > > > > > oh "JNP"......give me a break!!! You know very well what I meant, and = don't > you dare >   Well, cp, I don't know very well what you meant, and I find your comment inappropriate, highly offensive and indicative of your obvious immaturity. = How would you like it if someone said the same of you? Think about what = you are saying before you post to this list and if it is as inappropriate as = that remark, whether meant as a joke or not, kindly keep it to yourself!   Steven   --part1_d2.912c6ae.287b1353_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/8/01 9:49:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><I> <BR></I> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>oh "JNP"......give me a break!!! You know very well what I meant, and = don't <BR>you dare <BR>pretend you didn't.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Well, cp, I don't know very well what you meant, and I find your = comment <BR>inappropriate, highly offensive and indicative of your obvious = immaturity. &nbsp; <BR>How would you like it if someone said the same of you? &nbsp;Think = about what you <BR>are saying before you post to this list and if it is as inappropriate = as that <BR>remark, whether meant as a joke or not, kindly keep it to yourself! <BR> <BR>Steven</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d2.912c6ae.287b1353_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:00:50 +0800   Hey fellers please retire to the back of a shed somewhere and have this out in private. We have had enough of it. Thank you kindly. Bob E.       Steven at you are saying before you post to this list and if it is as inappropriate as that remark, whether meant as a joke or not, kindly keep it to yourself!    
(back) Subject: Re: prices From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:09:45 -0400   >In a message dated 7/8/01 9:49:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >organist@total.net writes: > > > > > > > > >oh "JNP"......give me a break!!! You know very well what I meant, and = don't >you dare >pretend you didn't. > > > >Well, cp, I don't know very well what you meant, and I find your comment >inappropriate, highly offensive and indicative of your obvious = immaturity. >How would you like it if someone said the same of you? Think about what = you >are saying before you post to this list and if it is as inappropriate as >that >remark, whether meant as a joke or not, kindly keep it to yourself! > >Steven   Can we take this offline PUH-Leeze?   Thanks   John V      
(back) Subject: JNP and CP fight From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:22:54 -0400   To JNP and CP,   Say guys, why don't you take this battle out into the school yard, and fight it out there!   Grow up, please!   Bob Conway.    
(back) Subject: RE: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:43:13 -0500   There's a photograph of the touring organ console (five manuals) in the September 1984 issue of TAO; the RODGERS name is emblazoned in large = letters above the couplers, sort of like the tailgate of a Ford pickup of the same era. The caption says the organ has been "permanently" installed in a temple in Tokyo.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Mark W. McClellan [mailto:omicron@netins.net] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall       The 5 manual Rodgers at Carnegie Hall had a duplicate that Virgil toured with. You can distinguish them in pictures, as the touring organ's = nameplate said Royal V, and the Carnegie Hall nameplate says "Rodgers". I don;t know about the Carnegie Hall installation, but the 5 manual touring organ was less than successful, according to the Fox bio.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:54:30 EDT     --part1_128.1272794.287b2db6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 7/9/01 10:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:   > There's a photograph of the touring organ console (five manuals) in the > September 1984 issue of TAO; the RODGERS name is emblazoned in = large=3D20 > letters above the couplers. The caption says the organ has been=3D20 >=3D20   The five manual touring organ was "The Royal V" (not to be confused = with=3D20 "Black Beauty," which was the three manual touring organ). Also, the = "Royal=3D =3D20 V" was NOT the Carnegie Hall organ, the Carnegie organ was a = completely=3D20 separate instrument which, I understand, is now in Symphony Hall in = Portland=3D ,=3D20 Oregon. I had understood that Royal V was the instrument that went to = a=3D20 temple in Japan.   So, in light of these mysteries, I am most interested in the current,=3D20 definite whereabouts of the following three instruments built by Rodgers:   1. Black Beauty (3 manuals) 2. The former Carnegie Hall organ (5 manuals) 3. The Royal V (5 manuals)   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D     --part1_128.1272794.287b2db6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 7/9/01=3D 10:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 <BR>pstorandt@okcu.edu writes: <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There's a photograph of = the=3D touring organ console (five manuals) in the <BR>September 1984 issue of TAO; the RODGERS name is emblazoned in = large=3D20 <BR>letters above the couplers. &nbsp;The caption says the organ has = been=3D20 <BR>"permanently" installed in a temple in Tokyo.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>The five manual touring organ was "The Royal V" (not to be confused = with=3D =3D20 <BR>"Black Beauty," which was the three manual touring organ). &nbsp;Also, = t=3D he "Royal=3D20 <BR>V" was NOT the Carnegie Hall organ, the Carnegie organ was a = completely=3D20 <BR>separate instrument which, I understand, is now in Symphony Hall in = Port=3D land,=3D20 <BR>Oregon. &nbsp;I had understood that Royal V was the instrument that = went=3D to a=3D20 <BR>temple in Japan. <BR> <BR>So, in light of these mysteries, I am most interested in the = current,=3D20 <BR>definite whereabouts of the following three instruments built by = Rodgers=3D : <BR> <BR>1. &nbsp;Black Beauty (3 manuals) <BR>2. &nbsp;The former Carnegie Hall organ (5 manuals) <BR>3. &nbsp;The Royal V (5 manuals) <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music and = L=3D iturgy <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat = dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_128.1272794.287b2db6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:10:51 -0700   I'd like to see a complete copy of your spec.   Blaine Ricketts Castro Valley, CA   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > Well, I can only relate my own experience. > > I WENT to Wicks when it appeared all we could afford was a modest UNIT = instrument > of maybe 10 ranks, because Wicks DOES have the most experience in = building UNIT > organs, and some of them WEREN'T bad, for what they were. In addition, I = liked > the durability of electro-mechanical chests over pitman, if we were = going to go > the unit route. > > I was VERY clear in my initial approach that this was to be a ROMANTIC = ENGLISH > SERVICE-PLAYING ORGAN, and NOTHING ELSE. I even POINTED them to Wicks = organs that > made the sound I wanted, since they have the paperwork on virtually = every organ > they ever built, and could easily pull the scales and shop drawings. > > "Oh, we'll do whatever you want", sez they. > > So I sent them a spec. >  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:33:52 EDT     --part1_6c.cbee315.287b36f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/9/2001 11:56:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ScottFop@aol.com writes:     > So, in light of these mysteries, I am most interested in the current, > definite whereabouts of the following three instruments built by = Rodgers: > > 1. Black Beauty (3 manuals)   A few years ago, I took part in an ecumenical service involving my = Lutheran choir - at the Episcopal Church in Pasadena, MD, a bit south of Baltimore. =   This church, seating not too many more than 100 souls, had a large, black, =   three manual Rodgers instrument, complete with at least two 32s and a = couple of en chamades, and they regularly and proudly announced that it had = belonged to Virgil Fox, that he had toured with it, and that they had got it for $25,000! I have forgotten the church's saint, but I think it was St. = Mark's, and it is the only Episcopal church in Pasadena. My Episcopal Church = Annual is still at the old house. If anyone is desperate to know, I think = Directory Inquiries could easily find it for you.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler   --part1_6c.cbee315.287b36f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 7/9/2001 11:56:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>ScottFop@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, in light of = these mysteries, I am most interested in the current, <BR>definite whereabouts of the following three instruments built by = Rodgers: <BR> <BR>1. &nbsp;Black Beauty (3 manuals) </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A few years ago, I took part in an ecumenical service involving my = Lutheran <BR>choir - at the Episcopal Church in Pasadena, MD, a bit south of = Baltimore. <BR>This church, seating not too many more than 100 souls, had a large, = black, <BR>three manual Rodgers instrument, complete with at least two 32s and a = couple <BR>of en chamades, and they regularly and proudly announced that it had = belonged <BR>to Virgil Fox, that he had toured with it, and that they had got it = for <BR>$25,000! I have forgotten the church's saint, but I think it was St. = Mark's, <BR>and it is the only Episcopal church in Pasadena. My Episcopal Church = Annual <BR>is still at the old house. If anyone is desperate to know, I think = Directory <BR>Inquiries could easily find it for you. <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler </FONT></HTML>   --part1_6c.cbee315.287b36f0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: prices From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:12:07 -0500   LeTourneau....   -----Original Message----- From: Carlo Pietroniro [mailto:organist@total.net] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:31 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: prices     um, I don't see anything wrong with consulting ONLY Canadian organ = builders. We make some pretty good instruments up here.........   Casavant Guilbault-Th=E9rien Fran=E7ois Caron O. Jacques de Montr=E9al   ummm, forget about the last one!!! *snicker*   is Gabriel Kney Canadian?   c.p.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: ALL READ!!! Re: JNP and CP fight From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:23:33 -0500   HALT!!!   Although Carlo's posting was VERY inappropriate there is no need to continue this thread. I was hoping that it wouldn't turn into a food fight but it seems to have, so let us put an end to it - NOW!   Hopefully, back to HAPPY PipeChatting   David  
(back) Subject: RE: 'BLACK BEAUTY' TOURING ORGAN From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:59:48   Hello List - My first organ concert, that planted the 'organ' bug in me for life, was a =   Worth/Crow organ duo concert, sponsored by the Community Concerts organization in Salinas CA at the Salinas High School auditorium. I thoroughly enjoyed the concert, at the tender age of 10 or 11. The concert =   took place in the early 70's (72, 73 perhaps??).   I'm not sure if the organ was "Black Beauty."   David Carter Sacramento CA     >From: "Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: RE: 'BLACK BEAUTY' TOURING ORGAN >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:16:16 -0500 > >For me, the Black Beauty is important because it was the first 'real' = organ >I ever heard. Ted Alan Worth played a concert, sponsored by Community >Concerts, at my high school in the mid-60's. That concert, alone, >transformed my ears and my life. > >Darryl by the Sea >Fort Lauderdale, FL >   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec <short> From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT)   Why bother to post this when it is easily accessed with photos, etc., on = the pipeorg-l website links to organs?   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec <short> From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:17:01 -0400   why bother posting this? Okay, I'll tell you. It's very simple Randy. Not = everyone here is on that list you mentioned. When I post something, I keep in mind the = person who may not know where to go to obtain this information for themself. The info is fun = to look at, and it stimulates conversation.   I hope I answered your question (to your satisfaction).   Carlo    
(back) Subject: RE: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:02:29 -0500   I didn't mean to imply that the Carnegie organ had gone to Japan; I = should have changed the subject line when replying to an earlier message. = Does the fact that the RODGERS name (not Royal V) appears boldly above the = manuals help identify which console was in the photo I saw? Just because the caption refers to it as the "touring organ" doesn't mean much.... =20 Peter   -----Original Message----- From: ScottFop@aol.com [mailto:ScottFop@aol.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:55 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall     In a message dated 7/9/01 10:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 pstorandt@okcu.edu writes:=20       There's a photograph of the touring organ console (five manuals) in the =   September 1984 issue of TAO; the RODGERS name is emblazoned in large=20 letters above the couplers. The caption says the organ has been=20 "permanently" installed in a temple in Tokyo.       The five manual touring organ was "The Royal V" (not to be confused = with=20 "Black Beauty," which was the three manual touring organ). Also, the = "Royal   V" was NOT the Carnegie Hall organ, the Carnegie organ was a completely =   separate instrument which, I understand, is now in Symphony Hall in Portland,=20 Oregon. I had understood that Royal V was the instrument that went to = a=20 temple in Japan.=20   So, in light of these mysteries, I am most interested in the current,=20 definite whereabouts of the following three instruments built by = Rodgers:=20   1. Black Beauty (3 manuals)=20 2. The former Carnegie Hall organ (5 manuals)=20 3. The Royal V (5 manuals)=20   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy =   THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI=20 (Geo. Kilgen & Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933)=20 =E2=80=9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens,=20 fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=E2=80=9D=20      
(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:34:59 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0120_01C10884.54FC2300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   First of all; many thanks to "Bud-by-the-Beach" for an instructive =3D posting!   Second; for those of us whose organ world is in the 10 to 30 stop =3D category, perhaps an equally instructive and well-thought-out list for a = =3D 2 manual instrument would be useful.   For instance, I'm in the early stage of enlarging our church's 1 unit =3D and 5 straight rank 2m/ped. instrument that I play, by adding an Octave = =3D 4' Principal, a unit Geigen Prin., a unit Rohrflute, and 2 Digital 16' =3D pedal voices. Any good suggestions would be very welcome. The Octave = =3D 4' is already in and voiced (3 pipes smaller than the 8' Diapason, at =3D the same pitch) - what a great help!   A specific question: by using the ubiqitous unit Gedeckt, we could =3D have a 2 2/3' on each manual, and of course could also have a 16' TC on = =3D each manual. Is it useful to do so? .... is it "proper"? ...... = =3D is it cool? thanks! Ed, in Maine ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: quilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature     =3D20 Paul Valtos wrote:=3D20   Dear Bud, What would be an outstanding stop list American =3D Classic organ. I would be curious as to others replies also. I would =3D like a stop list on an organ that would be capable of playing Bach =3D Preludes and fugues, Komm Susser Todt, Dupre, (as played by Virgil Fox = =3D with the assumed string celestes) as well as French Romantic. What say = =3D you. Paul OK, Paul, we haven't had a good flame war for awhile (grin). I'll do =3D it by families within divisions:=3D20 GREAT - 10/11 stops=3D20   8' Principal=3D20 4' Octave=3D20 2' Super Octave=3D20   ...snip, snip.....     Did I mention this is a design for a church organ? (grin)=3D20   OK ... flame away (grin).=3D20   Cheers,=3D20   Bud-by-the-Beach=3D20 =3D20 =3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0120_01C10884.54FC2300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>First of all;&nbsp; many thanks to "Bud-by-the-Beach" for an =3D instructive=3D20 posting!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Second; for those of us whose organ world is in the&nbsp;10 to 30 =3D stop=3D20 category, perhaps an equally instructive and well-thought-out list for a = =3D 2=3D20 manual instrument would be useful.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>For instance, I'm in the early stage of enlarging&nbsp;our =3D church's&nbsp;1=3D20 unit and 5 straight&nbsp;rank 2m/ped. instrument that I play, by adding = =3D an=3D20 Octave 4' Principal,&nbsp;a unit&nbsp;Geigen Prin., a unit =3D Rohrflute,&nbsp;and 2=3D20 Digital 16' pedal voices.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any good suggestions would be very = =3D   welcome.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Octave 4' is already in and voiced (3 pipes =3D smaller=3D20 than the 8' Diapason, at the same pitch) - what a great help!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>A specific question:&nbsp;&nbsp; by using the ubiqitous unit=3D20 Gedeckt,&nbsp;&nbsp;we could have a 2 2/3' on each manual, and of course = =3D could=3D20 also have a 16' TC on each manual.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it useful to do=3D20 so?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; .... is it "proper"?&nbsp;&nbsp; ...... is =3D it=3D20 cool?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;=3D20 thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ed, in Maine</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dquilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 08, 2001 =3D 12:58=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: stoplists and = the=3D20 literature</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>&nbsp;=3D20 <P>Paul Valtos wrote:=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3D"CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D-1>Dear Bud,</FONT></FONT><FONT = =3D face=3D3DArial><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What would be an outstanding stop = =3D list=3D20 American Classic organ. I would be curious as to others replies =3D also. I=3D20 would like a stop list on an organ that would be capable of playing = =3D Bach=3D20 Preludes and fugues, Komm Susser Todt, Dupre,&nbsp; (as played by =3D Virgil Fox=3D20 with the assumed string celestes)&nbsp; as well as French Romantic. = =3D What say=3D20 you.</FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT=3D20 =3D size=3D3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>OK, Paul, we haven't had a good flame = =3D war for=3D20 awhile (grin). I'll do it by families within divisions:=3D20 <P>GREAT - 10/11 stops=3D20 <P>8' Principal <BR>4' Octave <BR>2' Super Octave </P> <P><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>...snip, snip.....</FONT></P><FONT = =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P><BR>Did I mention this is a design for a church organ? (grin) </P> <P>OK ... flame away (grin).=3D20 <P>Cheers,=3D20 <P>Bud-by-the-Beach <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; =3D </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0120_01C10884.54FC2300--