PipeChat Digest #2217 - Monday, July 9, 2001
 
RE: 'BLACK BEAUTY' TOURING ORGAN
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: stoplists and the literature
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: stoplists and the literature
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: stoplists and the literature
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec  <short>
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: thaxted
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: stoplists and the literature (2nd try)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
unit spec
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Freebie Finale NotePad
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Re: unit spec
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: 'BLACK BEAUTY' TOURING ORGAN From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:39:31 -0400   >Hello List - >My first organ concert, that planted the 'organ' bug in me for life, was = a >Worth/Crow organ duo concert, sponsored by the Community Concerts >organization in Salinas CA at the Salinas High School auditorium. I >thoroughly enjoyed the concert, at the tender age of 10 or 11. The = concert >took place in the early 70's (72, 73 perhaps??). > >I'm not sure if the organ was "Black Beauty."   It was a Rodger's Theatre organ, not Black Beauty, I'm quite sure. It's = all in " Virgil Fox, The Dish"   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers Organ at Carnegie Hall From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:50:11 -0400   Peter,   if "Royal V" is written above the rocker-tablets, then it's the touring = organ. if "RODGERS" is written above the rocker-tablets, then it's the Carnegie = Hall organ.   Do they both have a "Zimbelstern" rocker-tablet, located in the top row, = far right (red)? Also, the Carnegie Hall Rodgers is the first organ (I've ever seen), that = had a 'General Cancel' toe stud, as well as the more commonly-found piston.   c.p.    
(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:56:45 EDT   Hi Ed, Paul, Bud etal:   Stops chosen for a fully unit organ need to be of character and blending. For the most versitility all pipes enclosed in two Swell boxes except the Basses. Slant toward the French 19th 20th Century style.=20 Great: Montre 8', Prestant 4', Trompette 16', Swell: Bourdon 16' Viole da Gamba 8' Voix Celeste 8' CC, Flt. Harmonique 4' Bassoon-Hautbois 16', Principal 4' Pedal: Bourdon 16', 8', 4'   Grande Orgue Recit-Expressive =20 Pedale Bourdon 16' 12 pipes R-E Viole da Gamba TC 16' Bourdon 16' Montre 8' 85 pipes Bourdon 8' 85 pipes =20 Montre 8' GO Flute Harmonique 8' R-E Viole da Gamba 8' 73 pipes Bourdon 8' e= xt Viole da Gamba 8' R-E Voix Celeste 8' 61 pipes Viole da=20 Gamba 8' Boudon 8' P. R-E Principal 4' 61 pipes =20 Principal 4' R-E Prestant 4' 61 pipes Flute Harmonique 4' 61 pipes Bourdon=20 4' ext Trompette 16' Nazard 2 2/3' Bourdon =20 Trompette 16' GO Trompette 8' Quart de Nazard 2' Ft. Harm.=20 Trompette 8' Hautbois 8' Tierce 1 3/5' Bourdon =20 Bassoon 16' Blank Bassoon Hautbois 16' =20 Hautbois 8' Blank Trompette 8' =20= =20 Clairon 4' Blank Hautbois 8' =20= =20 Blank Clairon 4' =20= =20 =20 Tremulant =20= =20 =20   Ten Ranks, essentially a French Choir Organ with a lot of versitility and ro= om for Mixtures and other additions later. The liturature is possible on these few stops, and will do most things well. Eventually the mutations would be straight, Using some Gress/Miles techniques this could be quite a good small organ. Control is essential with so few resources, therefore two=20 swell boxes. Fully developed 22 ranks or so!   Ron Severin   PS I forgot to list the pipes on the reeds but you get the idea. Also missin= g is the GO super Octave 2' from the 8'         http://www.musicbase.org/E/SEV001.html http://www.churchorgansystems.com.html/products Fax:1-208-439-6781 Church Organ Systems of Orange County J=E4ger und Brommer Orgelbau St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:18:23 EDT   PS Sorry for the Mess, When I sent the Piece everything was lined up now it's all an AOL mess.   Ron   http://www.musicbase.org/E/SEV001.html http://www.churchorgansystems.com.html/products Fax:1-208-439-6781 Church Organ Systems of Orange County J=E4ger und Brommer Orgelbau St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:47:06 -0700     --------------AFDB90A4A7AB8F47451E03A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Ed - give us the current and proposed spec of your organ first. It's hard to comment without seeing the whole organ as it is, and as you want it.   Here's the latest version (hopefully the LAST) of the new organ for St. Matthew's ... # ranks are from a 1966 Moller we bought last January and stored, to be rescaled/revoiced; + ranks are new; chests are all new ... electric slider, except for the unified or duplexed stops; console is old Moller shell with new solid-state innards; case-front is new (there was none in the Moller's original home); new blower (the old one was a cement mixer, and it was outside in the weather).   GREAT   #16' Bourdon #8' Principal - facade - possibly 12 new bass pipes #8' Major Flute - 12 pipes, ext. Bourdon #8' Hohl Flute +8' Gemshorn #8' Dulciana +4' Octave #4' Nachthorn #2' Fifteenth #2' Flautino +1 1/3 Mixture IV #8' Trompette - swell +8' Clarinet - possibly in swell box +8' Oboe - swell #Chimes   SWELL   #16' Gedeckt - 12 pipes #8' Open Diapason - 49 pipes - notes 1-12 common with Gedeckt and Viola (old Great 4' Octave rescaled and revoiced; no more ROOM in the swell box for basses) #8' Gedeckt #8' Viola +8' Viola Celeste +4' Prestant +2 2/3' Nazard +2' Doublette +1 3/5' Tierce +1' Mixture III +16' Contra Trompette - ext. 8' - notes 1-12 new #8' Trompette +8' Oboe +4' Clarion - ext. 8' - notes 49-61 new   PEDAL   +32' Resultant - 12 new quint pipes, notes 1-12; balance 16' Bourdon playing an octave lower #16' Bourdon - great #16' Gedeckt - swell +8' Octave Bass - 12 bass pipes new, or old Gt. 8' Principal basses - ext. great 4' Octave #8' Bourdon - great #8' Gedeckt - swell +4' Chorale Bass - 12 bass pipes new - ext. great 2' Fifteenth #4' Flute - great bourdon +16' Contra Trompette - swell #8' Trompette - swell +4' Clarion - swell   The compromises are pretty obvious (grin) ... mainly, we don't have the space, height, or money for an independent Pedal organ. But this is Phase One ... Phase Two, when this organ is moved into the main church in about ten years, will include a new three-manual console, a Choir organ, and independent Pedal stops in place of the unit stops.   I haven't counted ranks lately ... I'm scared to (grin) ... but some things that could obviously be omitted or prepared-for are: the Great Gemshorn, the Great Clarinet, the Swell mixture, and the Pedal Resultant. I'm not prepared to go smaller than that, because of the kind of service I accompany ... Victorian Anglican High Mass (grin).   Regarding mutations, I wouldn't unify them off a unison rank, for two reasons: (1) that makes the tuning wrong, and (2) that makes them the same strength as the unison rank; they're supposed to be softer.   TC manual 16' stops make my teeth itch, since I like to use them for continuo playing; perhaps notes 1-12 could be off whatever your complete 16' stop is, and the REST off something smaller, just so notes 1-12 would SPEAK. OTOH, twelve 16' Gedeckt basses aren't expensive, and you can find them all over the place (grin).   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach   Ed Steltzer wrote:   > First of all; many thanks to "Bud-by-the-Beach" for an instructive > posting! Second; for those of us whose organ world is in the 10 to 30 > stop category, perhaps an equally instructive and well-thought-out > list for a 2 manual instrument would be useful. For instance, I'm in > the early stage of enlarging our church's 1 unit and 5 straight rank > 2m/ped. instrument that I play, by adding an Octave 4' Principal, a > unit Geigen Prin., a unit Rohrflute, and 2 Digital 16' pedal voices. > Any good suggestions would be very welcome. The Octave 4' is already > in and voiced (3 pipes smaller than the 8' Diapason, at the same > pitch) - what a great help! A specific question: by using the > ubiqitous unit Gedeckt, we could have a 2 2/3' on each manual, and of > course could also have a 16' TC on each manual. Is it useful to do > so? .... is it "proper"? ...... is it cool? > thanks! Ed, in Maine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > To: PipeChat > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature > > > Paul Valtos wrote: > > > Dear Bud, What would be an outstanding stop list > > American Classic organ. I would be curious as to others > > replies also. I would like a stop list on an organ that > > would be capable of playing Bach Preludes and fugues, Komm > > Susser Todt, Dupre, (as played by Virgil Fox with the > > assumed string celestes) as well as French Romantic. What > > say > > you. > > Paul > > OK, Paul, we haven't had a good flame war for awhile (grin). > I'll do it by families within divisions: > > GREAT - 10/11 stops > > 8' Principal > 4' Octave > 2' Super Octave > > ...snip, snip..... > > > Did I mention this is a design for a church organ? (grin) > > OK ... flame away (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > >   --------------AFDB90A4A7AB8F47451E03A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Ed - give us the current and proposed spec of your organ first. It's hard to comment without seeing the whole organ as it is, and as you want it. <p>Here's the latest version (hopefully the LAST) of the new organ for St. Matthew's ... # ranks are from a 1966 Moller we bought last January and stored, to be rescaled/revoiced; + ranks are new; chests are all new .... electric slider, except for the unified or duplexed stops; console is old Moller shell with new solid-state innards; case-front is new (there was none in the Moller's original home); new blower (the old one was a cement mixer, and it was outside in the weather). <p>GREAT <p>#16' Bourdon <br>#8' Principal - facade - possibly 12 new bass pipes <br>#8' Major Flute - 12 pipes, ext. Bourdon <br>#8' Hohl Flute <br>+8' Gemshorn <br>#8' Dulciana <br>+4' Octave <br>#4' Nachthorn <br>#2' Fifteenth <br>#2' Flautino <br>+1 1/3 Mixture IV <br>#8' Trompette - swell <br>+8' Clarinet - possibly in swell box <br>+8' Oboe - swell <br>#Chimes <p>SWELL <p>#16' Gedeckt - 12 pipes <br>#8' Open Diapason - 49 pipes - notes 1-12 common with Gedeckt and = Viola <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (old Great 4' Octave rescaled and revoiced; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; no more ROOM in the swell box for basses) <br>#8' Gedeckt <br>#8' Viola <br>+8' Viola Celeste <br>+4' Prestant <br>+2 2/3' Nazard <br>+2' Doublette <br>+1 3/5' Tierce <br>+1' Mixture III <br>+16' Contra Trompette - ext. 8' - notes 1-12 new <br>#8' Trompette <br>+8' Oboe <br>+4' Clarion - ext. 8' - notes 49-61 new <p>PEDAL <p>+32' Resultant - 12 new quint pipes, notes 1-12; <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; balance 16' Bourdon playing an octave lower <br>#16' Bourdon - great <br>#16' Gedeckt - swell <br>+8' Octave Bass - 12 bass pipes new, or old Gt. 8' Principal basses - ext. great 4' Octave <br>#8' Bourdon - great <br>#8' Gedeckt - swell <br>+4' Chorale Bass - 12 bass pipes new - ext. great 2' Fifteenth <br>#4' Flute - great bourdon <br>+16' Contra Trompette - swell <br>#8' Trompette - swell <br>+4' Clarion - swell <p>The compromises are pretty obvious (grin) ... mainly, we don't have the space, height, or money for an independent Pedal organ. But this is Phase One ... Phase Two, when this organ is moved into the main church in about ten years, will include a new three-manual console, a Choir = organ, and independent Pedal stops in place of the unit stops. <p>I haven't counted ranks lately ... I'm scared to (grin) ... but some things that could obviously be omitted or prepared-for are: the Great = Gemshorn, the Great Clarinet,&nbsp; the Swell mixture, and the Pedal Resultant. I'm not prepared to go smaller than that, because of the kind of service I accompany ... Victorian Anglican High Mass (grin). <p>Regarding mutations, I wouldn't unify them off a unison rank, for two reasons: (1) that makes the tuning wrong, and (2) that makes them the same strength as the unison rank; they're supposed to be softer. <p>TC manual 16' stops make my teeth itch, since I like to use them for continuo playing; perhaps notes 1-12 could be off whatever your complete 16' stop is, and the REST off something smaller, just so notes 1-12 would SPEAK. OTOH, twelve 16' Gedeckt basses aren't expensive, and you can find them all over the place (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-by-the-Beach <p>Ed Steltzer wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp;First of all;&nbsp; many thanks to = "Bud-by-the-Beach" for an instructive posting!&nbsp;Second; for those of us whose organ world is in the 10 to 30 stop category, perhaps an equally instructive and = well-thought-out list for a 2 manual instrument would be useful.&nbsp;For instance, I'm in the early stage of enlarging our church's 1 unit and 5 straight rank 2m/ped. instrument that I play, by adding an Octave 4' Principal, a unit Geigen Prin., a unit Rohrflute, and 2 Digital 16' pedal = voices.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any good suggestions would be very welcome.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Octave 4' is already in and voiced (3 pipes smaller than the 8' Diapason, at the same pitch) - what a great help!&nbsp;A specific question:&nbsp;&nbsp; by using the ubiqitous unit Gedeckt,&nbsp; we could have a 2 2/3' on each manual, and of course could also have a 16' TC on each manual.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it useful to do so?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; .... is it "proper"?&nbsp;&nbsp; ....... is it = cool?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= p;&nbsp; thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ed, in Maine <blockquote dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>   <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com" = title=3D"quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3D"pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 08, 2001 12:58 AM</div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: stoplists and the = literature</div> &nbsp; <p>Paul Valtos wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3D"CITE"><style></style> <font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>Dear Bud,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What would be an outstanding stop list = American Classic organ. I would be curious as to others replies also. I would like a stop list on an organ that would be capable of playing Bach Preludes and fugues, Komm Susser Todt, Dupre,&nbsp; (as played by Virgil Fox with the assumed string celestes)&nbsp; as well as French Romantic. What say you.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face=3D"Arial"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul</font></font></blockquote> OK, Paul, we haven't had a good flame war for awhile (grin). I'll do it by families within divisions: <p>GREAT - 10/11 stops <p>8' Principal <br>4' Octave <br>2' Super Octave <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>...snip, = snip.....</font></font></blockquote>   <blockquote dir=3Dltr style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">&nbsp; <br>Did I mention this is a design for a church organ? (grin) <p>OK ... flame away (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud-by-the-Beach <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp;</blockquote> </blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------AFDB90A4A7AB8F47451E03A5--    
(back) Subject: Re: Crystal Cathedral Organ Spec <short> From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:48:11 -0700   'Cause they won't let me ON pipARGUE (grin).   Bud-by-the-Beach   Randy Terry wrote:   > Why bother to post this when it is easily accessed with photos, etc., on = the pipeorg-l website > links to organs? > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Randy Terry > Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster > The Episcopal Church of St. Peter > Redwood City, California > www.stpetersrwc.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: thaxted From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:48:19 -0400     Hi all,   I'm surprised no one's mentioned this. Holst included this tune in his famous orchestral work "The Planets." It appears in movement 4, "Jupiter, the bringer of jollity." It begins about 3 minutes into the movement.   Best wishes, Mike      
(back) Subject: Re: stoplists and the literature (2nd try) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:01:01 EDT   Hi Ed, Paul, Bud etal: =20 Stops chosen for a fully unit organ need to be of character and blending. For the most versitility all pipes enclosed in two Swell boxes except the Basses. Slant toward the French 19th 20th Century style.=20 Great: Montre 8', Prestant 4', Trompette 16', Swell: Bourdon 16' Viole da Gamba 8' Voix Celeste 8' CC, Flt. Harmonique 4' Bassoon-Hautbois 16', Principal 4' Pedal: Bourdon 16', 8', 4'   Grande Orgue Bourdon 16' 12 pipes R-E Montre 8' 85 pipes Flute Harmonique 8' Bourdon 12, rest 4' Harm Flt. Viole da Gamba 8' R-E Bourdon 8' Pedal 32 notes rest R-E Prestant 4' 61 pipes Quart de Nazard 2' 24 pipes 8' Montre Trompette 16' 12 pipes Trompette 8' 61 pipes Hautbois 8' R-E blank blank blank   Recit-Expressive Viole da Gamba 16' TC Bourdon 8' 85 pipes Viole da Gamba 8' 61 pipes Voix Celeste 8' 61 pipes Principal 4 61 pipes Fl. Harmonique 4' 61 pipes Nazard 2 2/3' Bourdon 8' Quart de Nazard 2' Ft. Harmonique Tierce 1 3/5' Bourdon 8' Blank Bassoon-Hautbois 16' 12 pipes Trompette 8' GO Hautbois 8' 61 pipes Clairon 4' GO Tremulant   Pedale Bourdon 16' 12 pipes Bourdon doux 16' R-E Montre 8' GO Bourdon 8' 32 pipes Viole da Gamba 8' R-E Prestant 4' GO Flute 4' 12 pipes ext. blank blank Trompette 16' Bassoon 16' Trompette 8' Bassoon Clairon 4'   I hope this makes more sense!   Ron Severin   Mutations eventually become straight ranks, Mixtures and other additions can be added later. The idea is that this organ of very few stops can do a lot of things well. Good accoustics should also figure into the mix. Standard Couplers: R-E to GO, R-E to Pedale, GO to Pedale=20 The Basses form a facade in front of the Swell boxes. There is the possibili= ty of playing "English Swell" too! Low 12 of each of the Bourdon 16' stops in t= he facade too.         http://www.musicbase.org/E/SEV001.html http://www.churchorgansystems.com.html/products Fax:1-208-439-6781 Church Organ Systems of Orange County J=E4ger und Brommer Orgelbau St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: unit spec From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:14:57 -0700   Here's a two-manual unit spec we considered building, again utilizing some of the Moller:   GREAT - unenclosed   1 - 8' Principal 2 - 8' Chimney Flute 3 - 8' Gemshorn 4 - 4' Octave 2 - 4' Flute 5 - 2' Fifteenth 2 - 2' Flute 6 - 1 1/3' Mixture IV   SWELL - enclosed   7 - Gedeckt 16 - 8 - 4 - 2 8 - Viola 16 - 8 - 4 (1-12 common with Gedeckt) 9 - Viola Celeste 16 - 8 - 4 (1-12 common with Gedeckt) 10 - Nazard 2 2/3 - 1 1/3 11 - Tierce 1 3/5 12 - Trompette 16-8-4 13 - Oboe 8   PEDAL   14 - Sub Bass 16 - 8 - 4 - 2 15 - Principal 8 - 5 1/3' - 4 - 2 7 - Gedeckt 16 - 10 2/3 - 8 - swell 12 - Trompette 16-8-4 - swell   Taking the 5 1/3 and the 10 2/3 from unison ranks doesn't really matter, that low down in the compass. The 5 1/3' Principal would give a species of resultant 16' principal sound, if used with the 16' Sub Bass or Gedeckt ... hopefully (grin) ... pretty crude, but 16' Principals are EXPENSIVE, unless you can find a used one to recycle.   Note a couple of things: the Great retains an independent Principal chorus + Mixture; nothing is duplexed BETWEEN the Swell and Great, so they retain their independence; the Pedal DOES have two independent ranks, albeit unified, so the Pedal WOULD have a sound independent of the manuals.   I don't like the Swell not having ANY principals ... we considered a Swell Principal unit, to be shared with the Pedal ... I used to play a little Schantz with that arrangement that worked very well ... my reasoning is this: when the Great is playing in Bach preludes and fugues, the Swell usually isn't, so the Pedal line would be independent of the Great; when the Swell is used for episodes, the Pedal usually isn't playing, so you don't lose the Pedal line because there isn't one.   I'd PREFER to make ALL the principals independent, of course, but that would depend on space and money. In planning a unit organ, I always start with as MANY independent principals as POSSIBLE.   Some might want one of the reeds on the Great, but I play enough French music that I wanted them both under expression.   Not a recital organ, certainly, but it would play a good church service, IMO.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Freebie Finale NotePad From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:11:13 -0700   Right now the Coda Music company is offering a free version of Finale = NotePad.   Go to <www.codamusic.com> and follow the instructions there.   It is not a shareware version of Finale, but a separate registered Finale program.   Paul R. Swank      
(back) Subject: Re: unit spec From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:27:47 EDT   Hi Bud:   Did you take a look at least of my idea, on the second try? The first=20 was all lined up but under AOL do strange things so I recopied it. IMHO this would do some amazing things as a ten rank organ. The two manuals although sharing material would be quite different in character. I deliberately limited the unit stops and ran as many ranks straight as=20 was possible. You will note that there is an independent 4' Principal in the Recit, and two independent Principals in the Grande Orgue. I made the ensemble more important than the total number of stops. Polyphony does not suffer and an independence is achieved. The Pedale will rob somewhat, but not seriously. Using the reeds to the hilt is not bad planning either, as they can be picked and chosen. Drawing mutations for resultants may be too loud at the wrong pitch. Another trick is to have 2 celestes one sharp and one flat. If voiced correctly would yield a Nazard 2 2/3' in tune and a Tierce 1 3/5' in tune and you'd have your cake and eat it too. Tune th= e rest of the rank accordingly to the pure fifth or pure third to unison, even= =20 in equal temperment. It's been done successfully on very large instruments, why not a small one?   Ron Severin   http://www.musicbase.org/E/SEV001.html http://www.churchorgansystems.com.html/products Fax:1-208-439-6781 Church Organ Systems of Orange County J=E4ger und Brommer Orgelbau St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: being content - was - well, I guess it WON'T From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:35:26 EDT     --part1_e.f534739.287b8bae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Interesting collection o' goodies. (Aren't T Anderson's pipes = wunnerful!!!)   What kind of result did you get from the revoicing of the Clarabella? = It's a shame they got such a bad name during the 1900s. Earlier examples often have been very sweet and pleasant.   How is the sound on the old Aeolian Gedeckt. I once had a wood Gedeckt greatly improved by lowering the cut-up slightly with spotted metal = inserts. It really cleaned it up nicely.   For the 4' flute in the Pedal, I'd vote for the Koppelflote. There are = few other sounds so wonderful as a 4' Koppelflote solo against a cluster of strings!! Also, Kflutes are very clean for enhancing a pedal line in a fugue.   Sounds like a potentially nice instrument. I look forward to the continuing saga. Thanks for the specs n stuff.       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_e.f534739.287b8bae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Interesting collection = o' goodies. &nbsp;&nbsp;(Aren't T Anderson's pipes wunnerful!!!) <BR> <BR>What kind of result did you get from the revoicing of the Clarabella? = &nbsp;It's a <BR>shame they got such a bad name during the 1900s. &nbsp;&nbsp;Earlier = examples often <BR>have been very sweet and pleasant. <BR> <BR>How is the sound on the &nbsp;old Aeolian Gedeckt. &nbsp;&nbsp;I once = had a wood Gedeckt <BR>greatly improved by lowering the cut-up slightly with spotted metal = inserts. &nbsp; <BR>It really cleaned it up nicely. <BR> <BR>For the 4' flute in the Pedal, I'd vote for the Koppelflote. = &nbsp;&nbsp;There are few <BR>other sounds so wonderful as a 4' Koppelflote solo against a cluster = of <BR>strings!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also, Kflutes are very clean for enhancing = a pedal line in a <BR>fugue. <BR> <BR>Sounds like a potentially nice instrument. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I look = forward to the <BR>continuing saga. <BR>Thanks for the specs n stuff. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.f534739.287b8bae_boundary--