PipeChat Digest #2233 - Sunday, July 15, 2001
 
My compositions
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Re: subs and pay scales
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Terrific preaching
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: sub organists' pay versus sub clergy pay
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: subs and pay scales
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Fw: Free Organ
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Looking for music
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Looking for music
  by "Bob Grube" <rkirkman@worldnet.att.net>
RE: subs and pay scales
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
300 bucks an hour?????
  by <Doppelflote8@aol.com>
Re: program Sunday (Playing Level)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
RE: 300 bucks an hour?????
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Re: subs and pay scales
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: My compositions From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:57:25 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0033_01C10D68.5EB89700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Thanks to all of you that showed an interest in my compositions. =3D Because so many of you did, I have spent some of my spare time putting =3D together a website from which you can download files. It contains just = =3D a small amount of stuff so far, and I'm slowly planning on re-engraving = =3D it all on Sibelius soon. There is also an MP3 recording of one of the =3D pieces.=3D20   http://www.fieldmusic.co.uk   It crossed my mind when Bud mentioned about sharing all sorts of music =3D via the net, that if anyone had something that they wanted to distriute, = =3D they could add it to this site and we could develop it into a one-stop =3D church music download site?! Of course, things would have to be out of = =3D copyright (or your own copyright).   Anyway, hopefully one or two of you will like and use my music!   Steve Canterbury UK     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0033_01C10D68.5EB89700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks to all of you that showed an = =3D interest in my=3D20 compositions.&nbsp; Because so many of you did, I have spent some of my = =3D spare=3D20 time putting together a website from which you can download files.&nbsp; = =3D It=3D20 contains just a small amount of stuff so far, and I'm slowly planning on = =3D   re-engraving it all on Sibelius soon.&nbsp; There is also an MP3 =3D recording of=3D20 one of the pieces.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.fieldmusic.co.uk">http://www.fieldmusic.co.uk</A></FON= =3D T></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>It crossed my mind when Bud mentioned = =3D about sharing=3D20 all sorts of music via the net, that if anyone had something that they =3D wanted to=3D20 distriute, they could add it to this site and we could develop it into a = =3D   one-stop church music download site?!&nbsp; Of course, things would have = =3D to be=3D20 out of copyright (or your own copyright).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Anyway, hopefully one or two of you = =3D will like and=3D20 use my music!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Canterbury UK</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0033_01C10D68.5EB89700--    
(back) Subject: Re: subs and pay scales From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:34:49 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3078056089_290647_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Wayne, you were quoting me. I hope that you'll understand that I agree totally with what you're saying, and if there's any inconsistency with = what I'd said earlier, I'll genuinely appreciate your pointing it out. (I'm = not all that bright.)   Thanks.   Alan   From: Wayne Grauel <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:54:12 -0400 To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: subs and pay scales   Bottom line is, If you don't ask for what you want, you'll never get it, = and asking means being prepared to stand your ground when they won't pay what you're worth!   Wayne Grauel       --MS_Mac_OE_3078056089_290647_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: subs and pay scales</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Wayne, you were quoting me. &nbsp;I hope that you'll understand that I = agre=3D e totally with what you're saying, and if there's any inconsistency with = wha=3D t I'd said earlier, I'll genuinely appreciate your pointing it out. = &nbsp;(I=3D 'm not all that bright.)<BR> <BR> Thanks.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>Wayne Grauel &lt;wgvideo@attglobal.net&gt;<BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;PipeChat&quot; &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Date: </B>Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:54:12 -0400<BR> <B>To: </B>PipeChat &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Subject: </B>subs and pay scales<BR> <BR> Bottom line is, If you don't ask for what you want, you'll never get it, = an=3D d asking means being prepared to stand your ground when they won't pay = what =3D you're worth! <BR> <BR> Wayne Grauel <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3078056089_290647_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Terrific preaching From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:54:25 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3078057266_361503_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Subject: Re: if we DO have to pay singers ...   And I might join Alan's church if it wasn't such a long commute, just to hear some well-prepared and good sermons! Glenda:   We really ARE lucky (well, OK, blessed). I thought our last pastor = (retired 18 mos. ago) was good. And he often was. But the more I heard him, the more I realized that he was more often POOR than really good. He was chicken to take on tough subjects (if you get my drift), and often was = stuck in the LCMS academic mode of 40+ years ago.   Our new pastor is 53, and we never know WHAT is going to happen. It may = be 8 minutes, or 16. From the pulpit or the center aisle. Dialogue (with = his 9-year-old son, for example, in his pew) or high oratory. With props or not. Reliant on MS in front of him, or totally without any paper around. Fears no subject, no matter how ticklish. But you can hear a stomach = growl from across the whole nave, it is so STILL, and people are listening so HARD, because he's so unbelievably effective as a communicator and thought provoker. Nobody wants to miss a THING! You have the feeling (sometimes) that he's making it up ex nihilo utterly ex tempore--but I think I know = that that's just not the case at all.   And his clergy pals (who are the ones we get for subs--one is between parishes, one is on sabbatical, and one's with the bishop's office; two = are retired), while DIFFERENT in style from him, and less unpredictable than = he, are SIMILARLY thought-arresting. Really fine stuff.   Yes, we are blessed indeed.   Alan             --MS_Mac_OE_3078057266_361503_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Terrific preaching</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>&quot;Glenda&quot; &lt;gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com&gt;<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: if we DO have to pay singers ...<BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">And I might join Alan's church if it wasn't such a = long =3D commute, just to hear some well-prepared and good sermons!<BR> </FONT><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"> <BR> Glenda:<BR> <BR> We really ARE lucky (well, OK, blessed). &nbsp;I thought our last pastor = (r=3D etired 18 mos. ago) was good. &nbsp;And he often was. &nbsp;But the more I = h=3D eard him, the more I realized that he was more often POOR than really = good. =3D &nbsp;He was chicken to take on tough subjects (if you get my drift), and = of=3D ten was stuck in the LCMS academic mode of 40+ years ago. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Our new pastor is 53, and we never know WHAT is going to happen. &nbsp;It = m=3D ay be 8 minutes, or 16. &nbsp;From the pulpit or the center aisle. = &nbsp;Dia=3D logue (with his 9-year-old son, for example, in his pew) or high oratory. = &n=3D bsp;With props or not. &nbsp;Reliant on MS in front of him, or totally = witho=3D ut any paper around. &nbsp;Fears no subject, no matter how ticklish. = &nbsp;B=3D ut you can hear a stomach growl from across the whole nave, it is so = STILL, =3D and people are listening so HARD, because he's so unbelievably effective = as =3D a communicator and thought provoker. &nbsp;Nobody wants to miss a THING! = &nb=3D sp;You have the feeling (sometimes) that he's making it up ex nihilo = utterly=3D ex tempore--but I think I know that that's just not the case at all. = &nbsp;=3D <BR> <BR> And his clergy pals (who are the ones we get for subs--one is between = paris=3D hes, one is on sabbatical, and one's with the bishop's office; two are = retir=3D ed), while DIFFERENT in style from him, and less unpredictable than he, = are =3D SIMILARLY thought-arresting. &nbsp;Really fine stuff. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Yes, we are blessed indeed.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3078057266_361503_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: sub organists' pay versus sub clergy pay From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:55:13 -0400   Trust me, Buddy.   Alan   > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:29:22 -0700 > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: sub organists' pay versus sub clergy pay > > Watch that "MERE musician" s***, buster (grin). > > I just had to make sure YOU didn't agree with his thinking. >    
(back) Subject: Re: subs and pay scales From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:03:09 EDT     --part1_106.29b491a.288350fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/01 12:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:     > I had a church that wanted me to play their Christmas Eve Services = because > they were between organists. They were all set on me playing, but I = never > heard any mention of the money, so I politely called them and told them > that no one has mentioned anything, but my rates are $125.00 per = service.. > so do the math at 3 services. We're in the country and this is my normal =   > rate... well, they told me that they could only go $75.00 per service.   One time when I was treated in this way I simply asked them, "when you = have plumbing or electrical work done to TELL them what you will pay?"   It sure is good to be out of that rat race! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_106.29b491a.288350fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/01 12:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I had a church = that wanted me to play their Christmas Eve Services because <BR>they were between organists. &nbsp;They were all set on me playing, = but I never <BR>heard any mention of the money, so I politely called them and told = them <BR>that no one has mentioned anything, but my rates are $125.00 per = service.. <BR>so do the math at 3 services. We're in the country and this is my = normal <BR>rate... well, they told me that they could only go $75.00 per service. = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>One time when I was treated in this way I simply asked them, "when you = have <BR>plumbing or electrical work done to TELL them what you will pay?" <BR> <BR>It sure is good to be out of that rat race! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_106.29b491a.288350fd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Free Organ From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:14:22 EDT   Hi Rick etal.:   This is an oportunity for someone to acquire a rather large Estey reed organ with a pipe facade. If it won't play now, I'd offer a couple of = hundred $ depending on condition, but feeders and bellows recovering won't cost an arm and a leg either. If interested, go down and take a good look at = it. bring some tools to make sure all the parts are there. First thing to do is vacuum the complete insides, and check for broken parts. You can't kill these organs even with minimal repair. I know as a former Estey owner. They are fun to play, and make an interesting practice organ. You do have to be willing to get as dirty as a coal miner. :)   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Looking for music From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:33:53 EDT   I am looking for a good arrangement of "War March of the Priests" from = the Mendelssohn, in print. I am also looking for any Tom Hazleton music in print. (if there is any) He is one of the best organ improvisationist I have heard. I = do hope he has music out there! Any help will be appreciated.   Van Vanpool, organist FUMC Bowie, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for music From: "Bob Grube" <rkirkman@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:47:52 -0400     "War March of the Priests" - Mendelssohn - Arr. W.T.Best, famous English organist from the second half of the 19th century, is included in "A Victorian Organ Album", compiled and edited by Malcolm Archer, published = by Oxford University Press - readily available.   Bob Grube          
(back) Subject: RE: subs and pay scales From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:08:46 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C10D50.CEFC23A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   LOL...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously about money after the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged me $150 for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.   Charles -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:03 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: subs and pay scales     In a message dated 7/15/01 12:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:       I had a church that wanted me to play their Christmas Eve Services because they were between organists. They were all set on me playing, but I never heard any mention of the money, so I politely called them and told = them that no one has mentioned anything, but my rates are $125.00 per service.. so do the math at 3 services. We're in the country and this is my = normal rate... well, they told me that they could only go $75.00 per service.     One time when I was treated in this way I simply asked them, "when you have plumbing or electrical work done to TELL them what you will pay?"   It sure is good to be out of that rat race! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C10D50.CEFC23A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D045260621-15072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>LOL...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously = =3D about money=3D20 after the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged = =3D me $150=3D20 for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D045260621-15072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D045260621-15072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Charles</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:03=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: subs and = =3D pay=3D20 scales<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>In a=3D20 message dated 7/15/01 12:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=3D20 <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I had a church that wanted me to play their Christmas = =3D Eve=3D20 Services because <BR>they were between organists. &nbsp;They were =3D all set on=3D20 me playing, but I never <BR>heard any mention of the money, so I =3D politely=3D20 called them and told them <BR>that no one has mentioned anything, =3D but my=3D20 rates are $125.00 per service.. <BR>so do the math at 3 services. =3D We're in=3D20 the country and this is my normal <BR>rate... well, they told me =3D that they=3D20 could only go $75.00 per service. </FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 = face=3D3DArial =3D   color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>One =3D time when I was=3D20 treated in this way I simply asked them, "when you have <BR>plumbing =3D or=3D20 electrical work done to TELL them what you will pay?" <BR><BR>It sure = =3D is good=3D20 to be out of that rat race! &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with = the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit =3D Howling=3D20 Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C10D50.CEFC23A0--    
(back) Subject: 300 bucks an hour????? From: <Doppelflote8@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:22:17 EDT     --part1_f.17361c07.28837199_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   LOL...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously about money after the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged me =   $150 for installing a toilet for 30-minutes. Charles   Hmmmm.......Time to take plumbing lessons!   Alan Carrick Methuen MA   --part1_f.17361c07.28837199_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2><B>LOL...I resigned from a church that would = not talk seriously about money <BR>after the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, = charged me <BR>$150 for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Charles</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Hmmmm.......Time to take plumbing lessons! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Alan Carrick <BR>Methuen MA</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_f.17361c07.28837199_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: program Sunday (Playing Level) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:02:18 -0400   Dear Pipechatters,   Guess it's time I chimed in here........   IF you don't think that "Church music" belongs in an organ concert, you are (as Virgil would say) "Sitting in the wrong pew" !   IF you look at the programs tha Fox presented, in the venues that he used, you will find a very diverse mix - and it worked - and worked brilliantly !   If you can use "Komme Susser Tod" at the Filmore East - you can certainly use a Hymn in any concert - ANYWHERE !   After all, when I read reports of both the AGO and OHS conventions - one of the highlights of each are the Hymn sings !   What truly fails to reach the masses is the "recital" that deals only with various presentation os nothing but "serious" music. Especially where the performer says NOTHING to the audience at all.   Fox did a great deal of talking to his audience, and used that opportunity to educate the people about what he was going to play, what to listen for and the history or significance of the peice. In other workds - he made it interesting to the audience that wasn't familiar with the music. To those that were familiar with the music - his comments may have added something - but certainly didn't detract.   If he was still with us - I could just see Virgil playing "In the Garden of Eden" ( ala the Simpsons) !   My personal pet peeve is calling a presentation a "recital" rather than a concert. The word "recital" carries a connotation ( in the general public) of something that is less than thrilling, like a night at the opera. Stop and think of the terms that come to mind with the word "recital": Acadenic, boring, 14 children all playing "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little star ( badly), and possibly the worst ( for us) - FREE !   A Concert, however, carries a whole different connotation, doesn't it ?   If you construct your program ot be diverse, there will be something for everyone and there WILL be a place for "religious" music in it !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:18:12 -0500 "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> writes: > Glenda, I just started my new position a couple weeks ago. Can't > really say, but I have a feeling they would. The interim organist, > who's also the pastor's wife, gave her masters recital back in > April, and there were a number of people from the 6 nearby churches > who came. Unfortunately, the organ work in this parish for the last > 11 years or so has been rather absent. I hope to change that very > soon. >   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: RE: 300 bucks an hour????? From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:32:04 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C10D5C.7233E340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   LOL....yea!!! I was thinking the same thing!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Doppelflote8@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:22 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: 300 bucks an hour?????     LOL...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously about money after the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged = me $150 for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.   Charles   Hmmmm.......Time to take plumbing lessons!   Alan Carrick Methuen MA   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C10D5C.7233E340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D721483122-15072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>LOL....yea!!!&nbsp; I was thinking the same=3D20 thing!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Doppelflote8@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:22=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> 300 bucks an = =3D   hour?????<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D color=3D3D#0000ff=3D20 size=3D3D2><B>LOL...I resigned from a church that would not talk =3D seriously about=3D20 money <BR>after the president of the congregation, who is also a =3D plumber,=3D20 charged me <BR>$150 for installing a toilet for =3D 30-minutes.</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> =3D <BR><BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Charles</FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">=3D20 <BR><BR>Hmmmm.......Time to take plumbing lessons! &nbsp; <BR><BR>Alan = =3D Carrick=3D20 <BR>Methuen MA</B></FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C10D5C.7233E340--    
(back) Subject: Re: subs and pay scales From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:46:37 EDT     --part1_9c.10bc447f.2883774d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/01 5:13:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chabrown@bellatlantic.net writes:     > ...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously about money = after > the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged me = $150 > for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.   Dang! That's not even long enough to use it!!! ;-)       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_9c.10bc447f.2883774d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/01 5:13:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>chabrown@bellatlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">...I resigned from a church that would not talk seriously about money = after <BR>the president of the congregation, who is also a plumber, charged me = $150 <BR>for installing a toilet for 30-minutes.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Dang! &nbsp;That's not even long enough to use it!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9c.10bc447f.2883774d_boundary--