PipeChat Digest #2235 - Monday, July 16, 2001
 
Sub fees
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Sub fees
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: 300 bucks an hour?????
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures??
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: 300 bucks an hour?????Plumbing and humor
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: 300 bucks an hour?????Plumbing and humor
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: program Sunday (Playing Level)
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Alan, I agree with you
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: subs and pay scales
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: singers, preachers, organists
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Sub fees
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Alan, I agree with you
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Program at Fergus Falls MN
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
pipe organ screensaver for free
  by "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz>
Re: program Sunday (Playing Level)
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Sub fees From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:43:20 EDT     --part1_5f.17e835a4.2883a0b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear List- As someone who gave up full time church work, I have found that competent organists are few and far between. I get calls daily from churches around =   North and South Carolina to play for them...Sunday services, weddings and funerals. I am an AGO member, but I make my own fees, I don't use any guidlines published by some chapter way across the country. For Sunday services, I generally charge $150 for a service with no rehearsal, $200 = for a service with a rehearsal. For multiple services that are identical in nature, I usually charge $250. For weddings, I charge $350--that includes =   meeting with the bride and the service only--NO rehearsal. Wedding rehearsals are a waste of time in my book, but if I have to go, it's $75, = or more, if I have to deal with solosts, and the mother of the bride. As a funeral director, I know the value of good music. When I'm called by area =   funeral homes to fill in as an organist, they usually offer to pay at = least $100. When I'm making arrangements, I always offer the organists at elast =   that much, just depending on what will be required of them.   Just my two cents.....   Monty Bennett   --part1_5f.17e835a4.2883a0b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear List- <BR>As someone who gave up full time church work, I have found that = competent <BR>organists are few and far between. &nbsp;I get calls daily from = churches around <BR>North and South Carolina to play for them...Sunday services, weddings = and <BR>funerals. I am an AGO member, but I make my own fees, I don't use any <BR>guidlines published by some chapter way across the country. &nbsp;For = Sunday <BR>services, I generally charge $150 for a service with no rehearsal, = $200 for a <BR>service with a rehearsal. &nbsp;For multiple services that are = identical in <BR>nature, I usually charge $250. &nbsp;For weddings, I charge $350--that = includes <BR>meeting with the bride and the service only--NO rehearsal. = &nbsp;Wedding <BR>rehearsals are a waste of time in my book, but if I have to go, it's = $75, or <BR>more, if I have to deal with solosts, and the mother of the bride. = &nbsp;As a <BR>funeral director, I know the value of good music. &nbsp;When I'm = called by area <BR>funeral homes to fill in as an organist, they usually offer to pay at = least <BR>$100. &nbsp;When I'm making arrangements, I always offer the organists = at elast <BR>that much, just depending on what will be required of them. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Just my two cents..... <BR> <BR>Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5f.17e835a4.2883a0b8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sub fees From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:03:01 EDT   Here's what works in the SF Bay Area:   Weddings service only, no other meetings $200 - 250 add soloist +100 add anything else $50   Service 250 x2 200 each   Funerals service only, no other meetings $175   R Jay Williamson  
(back) Subject: Re: 300 bucks an hour????? From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:04:41 EDT   How many years and how much training does the limo driver have to pay for?   RJW  
(back) Subject: Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures?? From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:05:33 EDT   It is possible that there is an original version?   RJW  
(back) Subject: Re: 300 bucks an hour?????Plumbing and humor From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:11:28 EDT   Would someone please let me know to change this to the system that lets me =   pick up all the messages in a group instead of one at a time?   RJW  
(back) Subject: Re: 300 bucks an hour?????Plumbing and humor From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:28:58 -0400   That information is always available on the Pipechat Home page. Just click onto the link at the bottom of this page and then on "Subscription Information" You want the "Digest" version. Hope this helps Mike     RJAYWILL@aol.com wrote:   > Would someone please let me know to change this to the system that lets = me > pick up all the messages in a group instead of one at a time? > > RJW > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: program Sunday (Playing Level) From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:47:26 -0400   At 11:02 AM 15/07/2001 -0400, Doug Campbell wrote: >Dear Pipechatters, > >Guess it's time I chimed in here........ > >IF you don't think that "Church music" belongs in an organ concert, you >are (as Virgil would say) "Sitting in the wrong pew" !   (SNIP) So right Doug. At a recent inaugural recital that I attended there was a hymn sung immediately after the intermission. The text was written for the =   occasion and was set to an arrangement from a larger Choral work. The recitalist, Tom Murray, did a very nice job of introducing the hymn = and pointing out what the prime function of the organ is, in a church and of course played it absolutely immaculately. The audience rose to the challenge of Tom's accompaniment with a truly stirring rendition.   HD      
(back) Subject: Re: Alan, I agree with you From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:20:09 EDT     --part1_d0.1875d94d.2883c579_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/01 7:47:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marika57@earthlink.net writes:     > Lawyers earn from $200 to $500 per hour depending on their location and > their expertise. Organists earn this much? >   Of course they do..... they just doin't get PAID that much. ;-(   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d0.1875d94d.2883c579_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/01 7:47:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>marika57@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Lawyers earn from = $200 to $500 per hour depending on their location and <BR>their expertise. &nbsp;Organists earn this much? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Of course they do..... they just doin't get PAID that much. &nbsp;;-( <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d0.1875d94d.2883c579_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: subs and pay scales From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:21:12 EDT     --part1_108.29f530e.2883c5b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/01 8:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > Well I can sit back on this one. We have no sub-pastors, no > sub-organists and our organists get no pay. No worries!! No beef!   .... or vegetables... or milk.... or housing ... etc..... ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_108.29f530e.2883c5b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/01 8:01:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well I can sit = back on this one. We have no sub-pastors, no <BR>sub-organists and our organists get no pay. No worries!! No beef! = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>... or vegetables... &nbsp;or milk.... &nbsp;or housing &nbsp;... = &nbsp;&nbsp;etc..... &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_108.29f530e.2883c5b8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: singers, preachers, organists From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:33:50 EDT     --part1_112.1ac17ff.2883c8ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/15/01 8:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > Sure, this job of ours (Yes I am full-time) takes a lot of energy. But > there's no other job on earth like it. Think about it. We can evoke > smiles, > tears, amens, groans; we assist in marrying and burying and every point = in > between; we unite the entire assembly of folks (at least that's our aim) = in > unified singing, chanting, responding; Christmas isn't the same without > what > we do, and neither, in my humble opinion, is Easter. > >   Hmmm.... pretty much like lawyers!!! heeheehee Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_112.1ac17ff.2883c8ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/15/01 8:38:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sure, this job of = ours (Yes I am full-time) takes a lot of energy. &nbsp;But <BR>there's no other job on earth like it. &nbsp;Think about it. &nbsp;We = can evoke <BR>smiles, <BR>tears, amens, groans; we assist in marrying and burying and every = point in <BR>between; we unite the entire assembly of folks (at least that's our = aim) in <BR>unified singing, chanting, responding; Christmas isn't the same = without <BR>what <BR>we do, and neither, in my humble opinion, is Easter. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Hmmm.... pretty much like lawyers!!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_112.1ac17ff.2883c8ae_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sub fees From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:44:39 EDT     --part1_79.178fd77a.2883cb37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Sunday services -- $150 for a service with no rehearsal $200 for a service with a rehearsal. services that are identical in nature, I usually charge $250 weddings -- $350 ; $75 more for rehearsals funerals $100   Just my two cents.....   Geez! With those fees you certainly could afford more than two-cents!!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_79.178fd77a.2883cb37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2> <BR>Sunday services -- &nbsp;$150 for a service with no rehearsal <BR>$200 for a service with a rehearsal. <BR>services that are identical in nature, I usually charge $250 <BR>weddings -- $350 ; &nbsp;$75 more for rehearsals <BR>funerals $100 <BR> <BR>Just my two cents..... </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Geez! &nbsp;&nbsp;With those fees you certainly could afford more than = two-cents!!!! <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_79.178fd77a.2883cb37_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Alan, I agree with you From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:24:13 -0400   Actually, I was being sarcastic as I feel organists don't earn enough....   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I think $200 an hour for services and rehearsals (the equivalent of = lawyers' "billable hours") is EMINENTLY fair for professional organists. > > Bud > > "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" wrote: > > > Lawyers earn from $200 to $500 per hour depending on their location = and their expertise. Organists earn this much? > > > > Wayne Grauel wrote: > > > > > Snipped...... > > > > > > I had the president of a congregation tell me that I made more per = hour than his lawyer, I told him anytime he wanted his lawyer to play, I'd = be glad to take let him have it! > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > -- > > ***************************************************** > > Healthcare references for everyone. > > "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" > > http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html > > > > Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html > > ***************************************************** > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: Program at Fergus Falls MN From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:46:25 -0500   Program at the Center for the Arts, Fergus Falls MN. Organ is a 10 rank Wurlitzer   Organist Daniel Aune is a graduate of the Eastman School of Music in Rochester, New York with a degree in organ performance. Daniel is 24 yrs old and is native to the Fergus Falls area. This was his second performance on the Wurlitzer in Fergus Falls.   I must add that his performance was VERY well received.   Luther ....   Program list,   Sinfonia from "Cantata No. 29" J. S. Bach   Arioso J. S. Bach   Prelude in E-flat Major J. S. Bach   Intermezzo from "Cavallaria Rusticana Pietro Mascagni   Spring Edward Grieg   Fugue in E-flat Major J. S. Bach   [ intermission ]   Claire de Lune Claude Debussy   A Set of Children's Hymns Jesus and the Children Austin Lovelace Go, My Children, with My Blessing Traditional Welsh Tune Kindersegan Franz Wasner   Humoresque Pietro Yon   A Tribute to Irving Berlin Alexander's Ragtime Band Blue Skies Puttin' on the Ritz They Say It's Wonderful God Bless America (audience sang one verse) Encore- Londonderry Air        
(back) Subject: pipe organ screensaver for free From: "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:25:32 +1200   Dear listers, you may or may not be interested to know that I have been tinkering happily and have cobbled a little PC screensaver together of about 23 photos of European and Australiasian pipe organs, which you can download for free from www.nzorgan.com. I simply had these pix which I have taken over the years (only the tip of the iceberg) and thought maybe others might enjoy using them on their computers as well. I have put a short extract of martin's toccata on Joy to the World as a background (playing through - well, partially through - only once)to it, but you can turn that off . If you download it, just drop me an email - if enough people like this sort of thing I might motivated enough to do some more scannign of favourite organs... cheers Jenny Setchell www.nzorgan.com      
(back) Subject: Re: program Sunday (Playing Level) From: <PHarri5833@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:20:40 EDT     --part1_39.17a08131.2883fdd8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 16/07/01 00:07:27 GMT Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com writes:     > My complaint is with the quality of the "hymn-based" music used, and the =   > lack of balance in most programs.   Whilst a programme consisting entirely of Bach chorale preludes, trios and =   other works on chorale themes might not qualify as "balanced" if one = believes a programme has to have pieces old/new, loud/quiet, secular/religious = etc., I don't think you could knock it on grounds of "quality".   On the right instrument, I'd buy my ticket for it anyway!   Peter   Peter M Harrison : P H Music 48 Moorfield : Edgworth Bolton : BL7 0DH : England tel +44 (0)1204 853310 : fax +44 (0)1204 853445 web http://user.aol.com/phmusic1/phm.htm   --part1_39.17a08131.2883fdd8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 16/07/01 00:07:27 GMT Daylight Time, Cremona502@cs.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My complaint is = with the quality of the "hymn-based" music used, and the <BR>lack of balance in most programs. &nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Whilst a programme consisting entirely of Bach chorale preludes, trios = and <BR>other works on chorale themes might not qualify as "balanced" if one = believes <BR>a programme has to have pieces old/new, loud/quiet, secular/religious = etc., I <BR>don't think you could knock it on grounds of "quality". <BR> <BR>On the right instrument, I'd buy my ticket for it anyway! <BR> <BR>Peter <BR> <BR>Peter M Harrison : P H Music <BR>48 Moorfield : Edgworth <BR>Bolton : BL7 0DH : England <BR>tel +44 (0)1204 853310 : fax +44 (0)1204 853445 <BR>web http://user.aol.com/phmusic1/phm.htm</FONT></HTML>   --part1_39.17a08131.2883fdd8_boundary--