PipeChat Digest #2236 - Monday, July 16, 2001
 
Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures??
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
RE: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures??
  by "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net>
Re: program Sunday (Playing Level)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Terrific preaching
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Recordings of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam"
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com>
Message for Monty Bennett
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Alan, I agree with you
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam"
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam"
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam"
  by <ChPardini@aol.com>
Re: Alan, I agree with you
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Sub fees
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Sub fees
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures??
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
salaries, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Ad nos
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Sub fees
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: salaries, etc.
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures?? From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:36:58 -0700 (PDT)     --- Bob Grube <rkirkman@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Does anyone have the inside scoop on the last 4 > measures of the Lemmens' > Fanfare??   Why not simply do as the French?: Improvise the last 4 measures!   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures?? From: "Mike Swaldo" <mswal@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:59:55 -0400     What's with the last 4 measures of Lemmens' ? I have an edition edited by John E. West, in which the last 4 measures have manual parts suggested by the editor. --------------------   Your edition by West only has suggestions for manual parts? Sounds like = you got a "lemmen" to me! Ha, ha, ha... :-)   Seriously, I've wondered this too. I, too, have the West Edition, and = have heard the Murray recording. I like the Muray ending much better. When I was in college, one of the other organ student's played it for a wedding, and didn't like the ending either. Our teacher said he had a better one, and gave her a copy of the last page from somewhere else.   I just took it for granted that there are other editiond out there, but = have never bothered to look for them. It is a fun little piece to play, isn't it?   Mike      
(back) Subject: Re: program Sunday (Playing Level) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:18:41 +0800   I use a lot of hymn based preludes. I have heard no complaints from the congregation, but have heard many of them humming along! A seal of approval? Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Re: Terrific preaching From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:09:44 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3078119386_4099676_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Neil, it would be a delight to meet you. And show off Saint Luke's to = you, too. Hope you can manage it after Labor Day, when the music department is in full swing again. And pastor's back from vacation, of course.   In the mean time, any time you're in town, Tuesday afternoon or whatever, = do stop in and give our beast a whirl.   Alan   From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:42:52 EDT To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Terrific preaching   Alan, my commute isn't so far, I might just trek up to NYC on my next day off.     --MS_Mac_OE_3078119386_4099676_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Terrific preaching</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Neil, it would be a delight to meet you. &nbsp;And show off Saint Luke's = to=3D you, too. &nbsp;Hope you can manage it after Labor Day, when the music = depa=3D rtment is in full swing again. &nbsp;And pastor's back from vacation, of = cou=3D rse. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> In the mean time, any time you're in town, Tuesday afternoon or whatever, = d=3D o stop in and give our beast a whirl.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>Innkawgneeto@cs.com<BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;PipeChat&quot; &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Date: </B>Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:42:52 EDT<BR> <B>To: </B>pipechat@pipechat.org<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Terrific preaching<BR> <BR> Alan, my commute isn't so far, I <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>might just trek up to NYC on my next day off. <BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3078119386_4099676_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: RE: Recordings of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam" From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:23 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0062_01C10DD7.902D4460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Scott-   I don't have the best recording of the Liszt, but I certainly do have =3D the worst. For a good chuckle, try Anthony Newman's Romantic =3D Masterworks for Organ Volume I. The only thing more entertaining is the = =3D Reubke (or, more aptly, "Rebuke" :) ) that follows it!   Ciao, Mark   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC (Church) 252-438-3172 (Home) 252-492-6774 mahopper@bigfoot.com=3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0062_01C10DD7.902D4460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; = charset=3D3Dutf-8"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2>Scott-</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>I don't have the best = recording of =3D the Liszt,=3D20 but I certainly do have the worst.&nbsp; For a good chuckle, try Anthony = =3D   Newman's <EM>Romantic Masterworks for Organ</EM> <EM>Volume I.&nbsp; =3D </EM>The=3D20 only thing more entertaining is the Reubke (or, more aptly, "Rebuke" :) = =3D ) that=3D20 follows it!</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2>Ciao,</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2>Mark</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN =3D class=3D3D820510113-16072001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><SPAN = class=3D3D820510113-16072001> <P><FONT size=3D3D2>Mark L. Hopper<BR>Organist/Music Associate<BR>First = =3D Baptist=3D20 Church<BR>Henderson, NC<BR>(Church) = 252-438-3172<BR>(Home)&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 252-492-6774<BR>mahopper@bigfoot.com=3D20 </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0062_01C10DD7.902D4460--     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Message for Monty Bennett From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:30 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0069_01C10DD7.9488AF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Monty-   Please email me privately...I have played in NC & SC churches most all my life & will be glad to discuss my sub fees with you.   Mark   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC (Church) 252-438-3172 (Home) 252-492-6774 mahopper@bigfoot.com       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0069_01C10DD7.9488AF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4616.200" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Monty-</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Please=3D20 email me privately...I have played in NC &amp; SC churches most all my =3D life=3D20 &amp; will be glad to discuss my sub fees with you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Mark</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D130561013-16072001> <P><FONT size=3D3D2>Mark L. Hopper<BR>Organist/Music Associate<BR>First = =3D Baptist=3D20 Church<BR>Henderson, NC<BR>(Church) = 252-438-3172<BR>(Home)&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 252-492-6774<BR>mahopper@bigfoot.com </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0069_01C10DD7.9488AF40--     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Alan, I agree with you From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:21:25 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C10DC7.EBE9B6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I guess if Bruce is going to continue to allude to lawyers, he is =3D inviting me to chime in. I know that private lawyers in Florida are =3D charging anything between $100 and $500 per hour, but I also know that =3D in this area they are seldom awarded fees more than $150-200, no matter = =3D from where they hail and what their normal hourly fee might be. It is =3D not uncommon to find public defenders who represent people on death =3D cases to make only $30,000-$40,000 per year.   I don't know about other lawyers' experiences, but my law school =3D experience was as close to hell as I want to get. I would have taken =3D the graduate degree program at ANY music school over it.   Just a tiny bit of perspective - we are always guilty of stereotyping, =3D me included. I'm the first to believe that trained talented organists =3D should be paid more, but then again I think trash collectors should be =3D paid on a similar scale to doctors, because no one wants to do it.   Glenda Sutton =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C10DC7.EBE9B6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I guess if Bruce is going to continue = =3D to allude to=3D20 lawyers, he is inviting me to chime in.&nbsp; I know that private =3D lawyers in=3D20 Florida are charging anything between $100 and $500 per hour, but I also = =3D know=3D20 that in this area they are seldom awarded fees more than $150-200, no =3D matter=3D20 from where they hail and what their normal hourly fee might be.&nbsp; It = =3D is not=3D20 uncommon to find public defenders who represent people on death cases to = =3D make=3D20 only $30,000-$40,000 per year.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I don't know about&nbsp;other = lawyers' =3D experiences,=3D20 but my law school experience was as close to hell as I want to =3D get.&nbsp; I=3D20 would have taken the graduate degree program at ANY music school over=3D20 it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Just a tiny bit of perspective - we = are =3D always=3D20 guilty of stereotyping, me included.&nbsp; I'm the first to believe that = =3D trained=3D20 talented organists should be paid more, but then again I think trash =3D collectors=3D20 should be paid on a similar scale to doctors, because no one wants to do = =3D   it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda Sutton&nbsp; =3D </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C10DC7.EBE9B6E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam" From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:40:07 EDT   Hi Scott and List,   Sorry I cannot direct you to a specific recording of the Liszt but see if = you can find this recorded by Joyce Jones. This was her signature piece for a =   number of years and she played all seventeen-plus minutes from memory (of course, others do too).   I have heard her perform this on several occasions; it was superb.   Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam" From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:45:07 -0700 (PDT)   --- Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > Hi Scott and List, > > Sorry I cannot direct you to a specific recording of > the Liszt but see if you > can find this recorded by Joyce Jones. This was her > signature piece for a > number of years and she played all seventeen-plus > minutes from memory (of > course, others do too).   If anybody plays this work in just 17 minutes, then they have really missed something. There are moments-SLOW moments-of sublime beauty. I can't imagine anyone racing through a 30-minuted work in half the time. Sad.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Recording of Liszt "Ad nos, ad salutarum undam" From: <ChPardini@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:53:16 EDT   Don't laugh, but I still enjoy the "Adnoids" on the Soli Deo Gloria = recording by Virgil Fox at Riverside. There are some slips and so forth, but it is still magical.   We recently had Stephen Tharp in concert at the CC last month, and he did = the Ad Nos flawlessly from memory in about 30 minutes. It was absolutely stunning. I do hope he records it, if he hasn't already.   What is the best edition to use to perform Liszt? My old Kalmus/Dover edition is awful. (e.g. double pedal trills and octaves in BACH)  
(back) Subject: Re: Alan, I agree with you From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:54:09 EDT     --part1_1e.18934ee6.28845a11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In NJ, trash collectors make very good money. My next door neighbor makes =   $52,000 per year!!!!   Police officers in my town with a mere 3 years service make more money = than I do (after years of experience). Granted, they put their lives on the = line, but still.   Churches seem to be wanting musicians that can do both traditional and = less traditional fare. If they want it, they are going to have to pay for it. =     I don't come cheap no more.   Neil Brown.   Have a very pleasant day everyone.   --part1_1e.18934ee6.28845a11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In NJ, trash collectors make very good money. &nbsp;My next door = neighbor makes <BR>$52,000 per year!!!! <BR> <BR>Police officers in my town with a mere 3 years service make more money = than I <BR>do (after years of experience). &nbsp;Granted, they put their lives on = the line, <BR>but still. <BR> <BR>Churches seem to be wanting musicians that can do both traditional and = less <BR>traditional fare. &nbsp;If they want it, they are going to have to pay = for it. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I don't come cheap no more. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown. <BR> <BR>Have a very pleasant day everyone.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1e.18934ee6.28845a11_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Sub fees From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:09:27 EDT   Hi fellow Listers,   How timely this thread is with respect to yours truly. Just last week I = was honored in being invited to supply for a large local church for the month = of August. Since I retired from the bench in April I am beginning to miss = the Sunday routine (but not enough to re-enter that arena on a permanent = basis).   To accept the invitation I would be responsible for two services Sunday morning and one Sunday night, plus a Wednesday night prayer-n-praise = service followed by adult choir rehearsal. This totals 22 service-related = activities in August. The offered stipend for the month was $385.00 which, I am = told, is somewhat consistent with that paid their regular organist on a monthly basis.   Glenda writes under another subject (but related):   >Just a tiny bit of perspective - we are always guilty of stereotyping, me =   included. >I'm the first to believe that trained talented organists = should be paid more, but then >again I think trash collectors should be paid on a =   similar scale to doctors, because >no one wants to do it. <<   My contemporaries say that I am talented and I have credentials in my training. Glenda, I'm holding out for trash collector pay. They are apparently doing better than many organists in my area. :)   BTW, the August appointment is still vacant, if any are interested. And = yes, I was the consummate Southern Gentlemen in refusing this <opportunity>. = One actually can say STUFF IT without being offensive.   Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Sub fees From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:15:40 EDT     --part1_de.17758f0a.28845f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   What would be appropriate for this:   1 choir rehearsal, Saturday at noon 1 service, Sunday, starting at 11, running to around 1   Vicki   --part1_de.17758f0a.28845f1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">What would be = appropriate for this: <BR> <BR>1 choir rehearsal, Saturday at noon <BR>1 service, Sunday, starting at 11, running to around 1 <BR> <BR>Vicki</FONT></HTML>   --part1_de.17758f0a.28845f1c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lemmens' Fanfare - Last 4 measures?? From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:20:39 EDT     --part1_60.1101dd48.28846047_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   As suggested in a previous email, I do add improvisation to the final = four=3D20 measures. =3D20   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D     --part1_60.1101dd48.28846047_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">As suggested in a = previous ema=3D il, I do add improvisation to the final four=3D20 <BR>measures. &nbsp; <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music and = L=3D iturgy <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, St. Louis, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat = dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_60.1101dd48.28846047_boundary--  
(back) Subject: salaries, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:27:11 -0700   It seems to me that something along the line of "equal pay for equal worth" is in order ... if anyone thinks that waste collectors aren't as important as lawyers and doctors, live through just ONE collectors' strike in any large city (grin).   Organists are widely regarded as ornamental and dispensable; yet (in the U.S. at least) the SUREST sign that a church is not far away from closing is the departure of the organist.   My ongoing fantasy is a nationwide case of "Bench 'Flu' " ... in which EVERY SINGLE CHURCH MUSICIAN IN THE COUNTRY takes a Sunday off ... organists, directors, singers, instrumentalists. Sure would be QUIET (grin).   One or twice a year, St. Matthew's goes without ... usually because I've fallen ill too late in the week to find a sub. They have a VERY odd reaction ... they get angry at ME.   In the most recent instance I was in the hospital with a stroke. The first words out of the Rector's mouth when he called my hospital room were, "ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY HOLY WEEK?" Not, "How are you?" or "Would you like for me to come and anoint you and bring you Holy Communion?" (he never did) ... but "ARE YOU GOING TO PLAY HOLY WEEK?" Not even "Are you going to be ABLE to play Holy Week?"   So I played Holy Week ... in a wheelchair, mostly on the piano, because when they put me on the organ bench I kept toppling over (grin).   After it was all over and I had recovered somewhat, we had a HUGE dust-up about it, and he DID apologize. But he seemed genuinely puzzled that I thought he should have been more concerned about me (I AM a parishioner) than about having music at the Holy Week services.   And there were still parishioners who thought I'd FAKED the whole thing. Now, those of you who are familiar with Kaiser Permanente (the big HMO in California) KNOW that you don't get to check into a Kaiser hospital for a rest (grin). Fortunately, the chairman of my organ committe is an M.D., so I sent the Rector a copy of the MRI and told him to show it to Dr. S., AND to put it into my personnel file.   An ODD experience all the way round ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Ad nos From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:30:16 EDT   Jack Williams writes:     >If anybody plays this work in just 17 minutes, then >they have really missed something. There are >moments-SLOW moments-of sublime beauty. I can't >imagine anyone racing through a 30-minuted work in >half the time. Sad. <<   Jackson, you are quite correct. In reviewing a program note from a = concert in question, I find "excerpts" plainly stated. Mea culpa. But that which =   was selected was still superb! I have never performed this work but to paraphrase Rita Rudner, I don't want to play anything that "feels good" = that requires 30 minutes. :)   Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Sub fees From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:36:20 -0700     --------------593C84D0BAAD1C4BABB7D4BC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   One-shot deal, or regularly?   Organist only, or organist-director?   Professional, or amateur?   My base rate is the same as for weddings ... $200.   $200 for the first service Additional DUPLICATE services, $100 Additional DIFFERENT services, $150 $50 an hour for rehearsals (2-hour minimum) Any travel time beyond 30 minutes each way is extra   But this is California, the "high-priced spread" (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Myosotis51@aol.com wrote:   > What would be appropriate for this: > > 1 choir rehearsal, Saturday at noon > 1 service, Sunday, starting at 11, running to around 1 > > Vicki   --------------593C84D0BAAD1C4BABB7D4BC Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> One-shot deal, or regularly? <p>Organist only, or organist-director? <p>Professional, or amateur? <p>My base rate is the same as for weddings ... $200. <p>$200 for the first service <br>Additional DUPLICATE services, $100 <br>Additional DIFFERENT services, $150 <br>$50 an hour for rehearsals (2-hour minimum) <br>Any travel time beyond 30 minutes each way is extra <p>But this is California, the "high-priced spread" (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Myosotis51@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><font = color=3D"#0000A0"><font size=3D+0>What would be appropriate for this:</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D"#0000A0"><font size=3D+0>1 = choir rehearsal, Saturday at noon</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D"#0000A0"><font size=3D+0>1 = service, Sunday, starting at 11, running to around 1</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><font color=3D"#0000A0"><font = size=3D+0>Vicki</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------593C84D0BAAD1C4BABB7D4BC--    
(back) Subject: Re: salaries, etc. From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:37:55 -0400   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > > > Organists are widely regarded as ornamental and dispensable; yet (in the > U.S. at least) the SUREST sign that a church is not far away from > closing is the departure of the organist.   Nah. They're just converting to CCM/happy-crappy/7-11 fare. > > My ongoing fantasy is a nationwide case of "Bench 'Flu' " ... in which > EVERY SINGLE CHURCH MUSICIAN IN THE COUNTRY takes a Sunday off ... > organists, directors, singers, instrumentalists. Sure would be QUIET > (grin). >   Nah. The amplified whatevers would be even louder (Eh? Whazzat? = Whadidyasay?)   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh