PipeChat Digest #2244 - Thursday, July 19, 2001
 
Re: Joyce's technique and comments
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
RE: Looking for music
  by <DEMPAR1@aol.com>
Re: Bach Fantasia in G Major
  by <ChPardini@aol.com>
RE: Bach Fantasia in G Major
  by "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Re: playing too fast?
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
RE: playing too fast?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Bach Fantasia in G Major
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Joyce Jones Concert
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Shut up and take the money? longish
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Shut up and take the money? longish
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Joyce Jones Concert
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Milwaukee Cathedral article?
  by "Greg Homza" <homza@indiana.edu>
Marianne Webb's New CD
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: Shut up and take the money? longish
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Joyce's technique and comments From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:33:37 -0400     --------------6A33955336B3599CCD9D9D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I recently heard Anthony Newman at the Cathedral in Newark, New Jersey. He plays VERY fast, but perfect.   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/19/01 11:50:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > stevec@open-tech.com writes: > > > >> I once commented on one of Anthony Newman's recordings of the three >> Franck >> Chorales, Bach >> Trio Sonata #4 and the Liszt Prelude and Fugue on BACH (I like them) >> and >> got back a comment that all that probably fit on one side of the >> record. > > I remember at the dedication of the Beckerath at the U of Houston, > Anthony > Newman played in his inimitable style. At the reception he was > chatting > with a group of us (including our professor) and happened to mention > the he > was recording the complete works of Bach. Our professor commented > very > dryly... "Well, that should be a perfectly marvellous disc." ;-) > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------6A33955336B3599CCD9D9D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> I recently heard Anthony Newman at the Cathedral in Newark, New = Jersey.&nbsp; He plays VERY fast, but perfect. <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 7/19/01 11:50:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>stevec@open-tech.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I once commented on one of Anthony Newman's recordings of the three = Franck</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Chorales, = Bach</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Trio Sonata #4 and the = Liszt Prelude and Fugue on BACH (I like them) and</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>got back a comment that all that probably fit on one side of the = record.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>I remember = at the dedication of the Beckerath at the U of Houston, = Anthony</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Newman = played in his inimitable style.&nbsp;&nbsp; At the reception he&nbsp; was = chatting</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with a = group of us (including our professor) and happened to mention the = he</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>was = recording the complete works of Bach.&nbsp;&nbsp; Our professor commented = very</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>dryly... = "Well, that should be a perfectly marvellous disc."&nbsp; = ;-)</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------6A33955336B3599CCD9D9D50--    
(back) Subject: RE: Looking for music From: <DEMPAR1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:52:07 EDT   >I am also looking for any Tom Hazleton music in print. (if there is any) = He is one of the best organ improvisationist I have heard. I do<   There are a few great arrangers out there among professional theatre = organists. I personally admire not only Tom's work but also Charlie = Balogh, Lew Williams and many others. What would be really great is if the = artists teamed up to produce a song book of their own arrangements. They = might even include a CD with tracks off their popular CD's with a personal = explanation of technique much like one would get at a workshop. Who = wouldn't pay a reasonable price for that sort of "personalized = instruction"? Hello Marketing Gurus!!! Hello Hal Leonard!!! There's a = money maker here guys!  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Fantasia in G Major From: <ChPardini@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:00:06 EDT   Another note on the Bach G Major: JSB was influenced by the works of Nicolaus D'Grigny (Bach owned a manuscript copy of his Livre d'Orgue). D'Grigny's Plein Jeu movements were often in 5 voices with the cantus = firmus played on the pedal on the trompette 8'. The middle section of the Piece d'Orgue is in the same style: 5 voices with a slow moving pedal part. = It's quite possible to register this section in the french manner: Principal chorus plus mixtures and 16' (plein jeu) with only a large 8' trumpet in = the pedal and possibly Great to Pedal.  
(back) Subject: RE: Bach Fantasia in G Major From: "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:18:58 -0400   Thanks to everyone for the information on this piece. It has given me = some great insight into this work. Thanks so much.   Josh Edwards Organist FBC Seymour, TN     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of ChPardini@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:00 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Bach Fantasia in G Major     Another note on the Bach G Major: JSB was influenced by the works of Nicolaus D'Grigny (Bach owned a manuscript copy of his Livre d'Orgue). D'Grigny's Plein Jeu movements were often in 5 voices with the cantus = firmus played on the pedal on the trompette 8'. The middle section of the Piece d'Orgue is in the same style: 5 voices with a slow moving pedal part. = It's quite possible to register this section in the french manner: Principal chorus plus mixtures and 16' (plein jeu) with only a large 8' trumpet in = the pedal and possibly Great to Pedal.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: playing too fast? From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:16:57 -0400   -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>   I've heard her play many times, but it seems in the past few years she plays faster and faster. It's a pity, really, because she sacrifices so much of the beauty of the music just to show off her facility.   --------------------------------------------------------------   Hey! This is a huge problem with many players. I think the concept of = listening to one's self (via any type of recording) is of huge importance and should be taken seriously.   This really gets me the most upset with the average organist and hymn = playing. The same concept holds true here too. So much of the meaning of = the text is lost when organists fly through hymns and liturgy at break neck = speed. There is a local organist here in the mid atlantic that is well respected among the Lutheran Community, but I had to sit through a service = of hymns and liturgy once while he was substituting at a local church and God... I had to wonder where in the heck was the fire!   It was absolutely awful. My wife and I could hardly catch our breath! I = know that many pastors are at fault here too with wanting to "keep it lively" but then the music does not either breath, or illuminate the text = in the same way (or any way). All you're doing is bleating out meaningless words!   So... yes, I will agree that speed and talent are really synonymous with = race car driving and other motor sports and have little or no valid place in the mark of a great "musical" performance, unless you've got to pee = like crazy and you can't go till your finished the music!   I just thought I'd bring this up since this was the first thing that came = to mind. I'm not passing judgment on Dr. Jones, I didn't hear the performance but we could all use a dose of reality when it comes to = staying in perspective with tempo, being musical, and our idea of "a good performance"!    
(back) Subject: RE: playing too fast? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:52:35 -0400     Why I find this string fascinating is because lately I've noticed that my playing has gotten faster and faster. By NO means am I comparing myself to Dr. Jones, BY NOOO MEANS, but what interests me is the comment someone = made about her recent heart surgery asking if possibly her fast playing is related to that. My ears perked up because I was wondering if my recent surgeries had anything to do with my speed picking up. They were not on my heart directly but they were arterio-related. I had very blocked carotid arteries and one renal artery all of which were "cleared" as it were, but, the other evening while practicing the fugue in d minor and particularly fugue in G BWV 550 it just struck me as I was climbing the keybord to the final cadence in the last 8 or so bars, I realized just how fast I was going. And not being able to judge objectively, I wondered if it sounded really lousey and rushed. Anyway this is why I find this particular conversation interesting. But it's not only the speed that's picked up but there's a syncopation in my playing that reeeeeeeeeally is annoying me. = I'm going to have to record myself an listen objectively. Oy!! Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Grauel [mailto:wgvideo@attglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:17 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: playing too fast?     -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>   I've heard her play many times, but it seems in the past few years she plays faster and faster. It's a pity, really, because she sacrifices so much of the beauty of the music just to show off her facility.   -  
(back) Subject: RE: Bach Fantasia in G Major From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:28:28 -0400   I almost bought the Gesellschaft in Florence, I saw it on the shelf and realized I didn't want carry it home on the plane. Then when I got home I ordered it online then had second thought like, "Do I REALLY need another volume of Bach!!!" Hel-lo and cancelled my order from Germany. I could = have gone to Pederson's in New York to buy it but the only thing I'd give the nasty people who work there is poison, no MY money. Be all that as it may, = I decided not to get it and add that too to my VISA card. But as for those = of you who have it or have seen it do you reccommend it? Is there nowhere a publication of facsimiles of JS's complete works for organ one can use = for reference purposes? Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:10 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Bach Fantasia in G Major     The Bach Gesellschaft or the Neue Bach Ausgabe ... I prefer the Gesellschaft, unless they've corrected the printing errors that plagued the early = volumes of the NBA. It's a good idea to look at the Peters edition too, since it's EARLIER than the BG, and some of the manuscripts that Peters had access to had disappeared by the time the BG was done (have I got that right?).   Any large music library should have the BG; I don't know how many have invested in the NBA; I don't know if either is online. Dover has reprinted most of the organ works from the BG, and at a fairly good price.   Cheers,   Bud   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Where does one check Bach's Urtexts? I'm sure everyone is taken aback by > such stupidity but what can I say, I know not the answer to my question. > Robert Colasacco > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Edwards [mailto:fbcorganist@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:43 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Bach Fantasia in G Major > > Did Bach have regular access to an organ that had a low B below the standard > low C that we have today? The reason I ask is because I studied the > Fantasia in G Major and in the middle section, on the second page middle > score (Kalmus Ed.) there is a low B written. Of course, I just repeated the > higher B, but why did he write the low one? Is it a mistake written = when > taken from the original manuscripts? Did the Urtext edition (which I = have > checked) clarify the low B? > > Thanks for any help on this, > > Josh Edwards > Organist > FBC Seymour, TN > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Joyce Jones Concert From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:19:55 EDT     --part1_115.1e2d2f1.2888a8fb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I didn't mean to imply that I think her playing is not good. Her music = is awesome, if speedy.   I do think, given my comments and those of others, that Joyce Jones makes going to an organ concert VERY enjoyable. While she may play = lickety-split, I am not convinced that musical considerations are sacrificed.   But as any performing artist will tell you, when you are in the thick of performing, regardless of medium, you are always just one step away from disaster; that's simply how it is. Fortunately, last night, Dr. Jones did =   not meet disaster, but played a very beautiful concert.   The audience loved her playing. And she brings just the right measure of showpersonship, musicianship, virtuosity, and yes, southern flair to her playing. The Ocean Grove audience RARELY gives a standing ovation to organists. = Nor do they offer anything but courteous applause. Last night, Dr. Jones = dazzled the audience.   Her playing is so far superior to that other "first lady", who shall = remain nameless.   Peace. Neil Brown   --part1_115.1e2d2f1.2888a8fb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> I didn't mean to imply that I think her playing is not good. = &nbsp;Her music is <BR>awesome, if speedy. <BR> <BR>I do think, given my comments and those of others, that Joyce Jones = makes <BR>going to an organ concert VERY enjoyable. &nbsp;&nbsp;While she may = play lickety-split, <BR>I am not convinced that musical considerations are sacrificed. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>But as any performing artist will tell you, when you are in the thick = of <BR>performing, regardless of medium, you are always just one step away = from <BR>disaster; that's simply how it is. &nbsp;Fortunately, last night, Dr. = Jones did <BR>not meet disaster, but played a very beautiful concert. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The audience loved her playing. &nbsp;And she brings just the right = measure of <BR>showpersonship, musicianship, virtuosity, and yes, southern flair to = her <BR>playing. &nbsp; <BR>The Ocean Grove audience RARELY gives a standing ovation to organists. = &nbsp;Nor <BR>do they offer anything but courteous applause. &nbsp;Last night, Dr. = Jones dazzled <BR>the audience. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Her playing is so far superior to that other "first lady", who shall = remain <BR>nameless. <BR> <BR>Peace. <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_115.1e2d2f1.2888a8fb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Shut up and take the money? longish From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:29:57 -0400   I'd be interested in knowing if other people have had this experience and what your thoughts are.   Within two weeks, two brides have contacted me about their WAAA-DEENS (In these parts, this is how it comes out of a 22-year old) with similar = adamant demands.   The peculiar thing is that both of them reserved large, formal sanctuaries (one Methodist, where I serve, another one a local Presbyterian church = where I will be subbing for this one gig) in churches with well-established traditional music departments YET they are both vehement that they only = want piano... NO ORGAN. In one case it was, quote "GOD! NO ORGAN!!"   Both churches have decent organs (two man. Reuter, three man. Moller) but rather dull elderly baby grand pianos.   Twice the bride at my own church has launched unprovoked into a salvo over the phone about wanting the piano and absolutely "NO CLASSICAL MUSIC, ONLY CONTEMPORARY." Rather than get into the definition of that at the time, I changed the subject and asked if she had thought about what she might like for her processional. Her immediate response was "Canon in D, I like totally LOOOVE that". At this point I didn't know whether to ***t or go blind, as the saying goes. Instead I just changed the subject AGAIN and = set up a conference to chat in person. (Can't wait...)   As a next step, I made some points in my usual speak-slowly-and-calmly-to-the-bride fashion:   1) The pianos aren't really big enough for the space, nor are they particularly beautiful in sound.   2) There are moments in a wedding which require a certain amount of = command and drama (processional being one example) which I feel would be lacking = on the little pianos.   3) I think piano signals a certain informality and casualness which may play against their other plans for the occasion. Are they intending a casual service and will that be reflected in what they are wearing, = etc...?   Their responses were to simply parrot their same opening phrase "no organ, = I only want piano" and from the one bride "only CONTEMPORARY music". No = sign of reflection, no consideration of any other viewpoint. Everything is = VERY CLEAR, except what I should do next!   I tend to think of things in a cultural context first, so what are we = seeing here? Innocence? Ignorance? Rebellion? They go to a non-traditional church but that building wouldn't hold all their guests? A sort of reverse-snobbery? I guess that serves me right, I can get pretty snobby with my own opinions.   Secondarily, am I just WRONG? Wrong or not, should I just say "this is = not my kind of gig, find someone else"?   I belong to the harplist and it's pretty evenly split between those who = say "Heck, I'll play Elvis tunes, it's the bride's wedding" and those who say "I'm sorry, but when they hire me, they hire my expertise and taste. It's part of the package, like it or not. I won't have anyone thinking that I chose tacky music, and that's what people WILL think if I play it." It's not that I can't play the piano well, though.   So, do I just play what they want and take the money? A close friend = calls us (excuse the language) "sluts for Jesus". Just shut up, do what the customer wants, and take the money, she says. When I hear what brides = (and clergy!) have actually requested, I admit they stretch the limits of what I'd like to hear. On the other hand, how right is it to insert my ego = into EVERY musical decision? On the other hand, I'm the one playing....   What do you all think?   Chuck Peery Cincinnati            
(back) Subject: Re: Shut up and take the money? longish From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:42:30 EDT     --part1_42.17c026d4.2888ae46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I think the rap tune (grin) "Canon in D" would sound lovely on piano. AT =   least neither bride has asked for taped music as yet. Be grateful they = still want it live.   I had one wedding here 2 or 3 years ago, where the power kept going off. = It was organ/piano/organ/piano/organ/piano (no lie). Different circumstance, =   but they were no less married.   At my previous church, the electronic organ went on the fritz period. No choice. The people, though they had aniticipated organ, LOVED the piano.   As for contemporary music (I assume they mean secular?) in the service, = that is where I would probably draw the line, with a few exceptions. It is, in =   fact, a worship service.   You could probably doodle around in the key of C for 10 minutes and no one =   would even bat an eye. They won't know what you're playing anyway. And chances are, they will be talking louder than even the organ could play.   I will be interested to know how these 2 weddings go. Keep us informed.   Neil Brown         --part1_42.17c026d4.2888ae46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>I think the rap tune (grin) &nbsp;"Canon in D" would sound lovely = on piano. &nbsp;AT <BR>least neither bride has asked for taped music as yet. &nbsp;Be = grateful they still <BR>want it live. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I had one wedding here 2 or 3 years ago, where the power kept going = off. &nbsp;It <BR>was organ/piano/organ/piano/organ/piano (no lie). &nbsp;Different = circumstance, <BR>but they were no less married. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>At my previous church, the electronic organ went on the fritz period. = &nbsp;No <BR>choice. &nbsp;The people, though they had aniticipated organ, LOVED = the piano. <BR> <BR>As for contemporary music (I assume they mean secular?) in the = service, that <BR>is where I would probably draw the line, with a few exceptions. = &nbsp;It is, in <BR>fact, a worship service. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>You could probably doodle around in the key of C for 10 minutes and no = one <BR>would even bat an eye. &nbsp;They won't know what you're playing = anyway. &nbsp;And <BR>chances are, they will be talking louder than even the organ could = play. <BR> <BR>I will be interested to know how these 2 weddings go. &nbsp;Keep us = informed. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_42.17c026d4.2888ae46_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Joyce Jones Concert From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:07 EDT     --part1_dc.940325c.2888b177_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/19/01 4:21:08 PM Central Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > Her playing is so far superior to that other "first lady", who shall = remain >   Hey, Y'all.   Neil refers to the other first lady . . . actually it was Marie Claire who =   first was called "first lady, etc." in a magzine article decades ago. It = was a feature writer for the Miami Herald who gave Diane the name, but Marie Claire was the original.   Oh, well . . .   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea in Montreal   --part1_dc.940325c.2888b177_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/19/01 4:21:08 PM Central Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Her playing is so = far superior to that other "first lady", who shall remain <BR>nameless. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Hey, Y'all. <BR> <BR>Neil refers to the other first lady . . . actually it was Marie Claire = who <BR>first was called "first lady, etc." in a magzine article decades ago. = It was <BR>a feature writer for the Miami Herald who gave Diane the name, but = Marie <BR>Claire was the original. <BR> <BR>Oh, well . . . <BR> <BR>Yours, <BR> <BR>Darryl by the Sea in Montreal</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.940325c.2888b177_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Milwaukee Cathedral article? From: "Greg Homza" <homza@indiana.edu> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:57:45 -0500 (EST)   Did anyone catch the 7/14 NYTimes article about Archbishop Weakland's plans to renovate the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in Milwaukee? Apparently, some vatican people are pretty hacked off, since the plan includes putting an organ where the altar currently is (and moving the altar further out into the space.)   I see nothing wrong with the proposed drawings, and actually find them quite attractive and functional. Thoughts? Also, does anyone know if the existing organ (built by ??? in 19??) will be moved, or if it is to be a new instrument?   I'm not sure how legal it is to email the article to the list, so I'll simply refer you to NYTimes.com. You'll have to register, but it's still free, I think.   Point your browser to: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/national/14CATH.html?searchpv=3Dday05   I'm not sure how long the article will stay there, so...go soon if you're interested.   It should be interesting to hear some responses. (I'm surprised I haven't heard anything about this on the list already...)   Best, -greg homza bloomington, IN    
(back) Subject: Marianne Webb's New CD From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:54:53 -0400   Marianne Webb's new CD on the Pro Organo label is now available at the OHS Catalog http://www.ohscatalog.org.   Also, JAV has lowered the price on its popular JAV-112, so that the 2-CD = set featuring five organists playing the Aeolian-Skinner at Riverside Church = is now available for the price of a single CD. Organists on the CD include Cherry Rhodes, Timothy Smith, James Abbington, Peter Stoltzfus, and Peter Conte.   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Shut up and take the money? longish From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:48:10 EDT   I'd just say no. This problem probably might not arise if churches would = keep pianos out of the "sanctuary," but I'm sure that's not a possibility for some. I used to wonder why certain brides chose to get married in a lovely =   church where i used to sub for weddings -- finally it came out that it was =   only a block from a prominent private club that was perfect for receptions =   and a couple blocks from a nice hotel in the other direction.   I guess I'm a real fuddy duddy but I don't think pianos belong in = churches. When I get a call about a sub job I just tell them I don't play the piano.   DudelK Washington, DC