PipeChat Digest #2245 - Friday, July 20, 2001
 
Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article?
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Shut up and take the money? longish
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2242 - 07/19/01
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01
  by <RJAYWILL@aol.com>
Re: Joyce Jones Concert
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Shut up and take the money? longish
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Why not?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Why not?
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
pianos in church
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article? From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:28:34 -0500   >Did anyone catch the 7/14 NYTimes article about Archbishop Weakland's >plans to renovate the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in Milwaukee? >Apparently, some vatican people are pretty hacked off, since the plan >includes putting an organ where the altar currently is (and moving the >altar further out into the space.)   Greg   I think many of us saw the article in the NYTimes and it was a topic of discussion over on the PIPORG-L until the list owners called it off topic. Besides the NYT article there are other articles that have appeared including numerous ones on the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal Web site. The last article i read on the J-S web site was at: http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jul01/weak16071501a.asp from July 16. There may be some later articles available.   The current organ is by Robert Noehern and is a 4 manual with something like 80 ranks - many of them mixtures. It is installed in the rear gallery of the Cathedral and will be retained as is.   The new organ will be by Nichols & Simpson, Inc., Organbuilders of Little Rock, AR. The complete specifications for both the new instrument and the old one are on the N&S web site at: http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com/cathedra.htm N&S will be supplying a new 4 manual console for the Apse that will control both instruments. There is also the designer's rendering of the new case for the Apse Organ on the Web Site.   There is also a web site for the whole of the Cathedral Square renovation/rehabilitation including information about what is being done to the Cathedral itself. That web site is at: http://www.cathedralproject.org/   As the owner of this list I don't consider it off-topic PROVIDED that we don't get into a flame-war in discussing it. I know that there are strong feelings on both sides BUT please remember to RESPECT each other's opinions.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Shut up and take the money? longish From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:36:13 EDT   Dear Mr. Peery:   From what you describe quite lucidly, it seems that you have been long forbearing and abundant in kindness, hoping to coach these women to a = certain level of class at an event which is traditionally a once-in-a-lifetime blessed event.   I think you have rightfully narrowed it down to two possible courses. = One, to maintain your standards, and make a point of declining to play because = you feel it is inappropriate and that you would rather the responsibility for = the lapse of taste be on somebody else's shoulders. Your point will be lost, = as well as the income, but you will retain your dignity and your standards.   The other avenue is to use both your talents and the diligence you have invested in honing them, and make some money. Who knows, Bride A and = Bride B might refer you to their friends in the future, who may request = exceptional music.   On a closing note, my two older brothers (twins two minutes apart) always = do the same thing in rapid succession. My brother Theodore got married in = June; two days after the event, his twin, Josiah, proposed to his girlfriend, = and the wedding is set for October. I am the organ/choral man of the family, very much into high ceremony and exceptionally glorious music.   Well, Theo and Cindy were married outdoors, on the grounds of a former brothel and speakeasy in the Hollywood Hills, accompanied by a Jazz = Ensemble. How was the wedding? It was so beautiful, there wasn't a dry eye in the house. It was, in fact, a strictly traditional Orthodox Jewish wedding, right down to the reading and signing of the marriage contract, witnesses = to the archaic rituals of transferring the bride to the "ownership" of the groom, the breaking of the glass, etc. The ceremony was emotionally = charged and profoundly dignified, and the music was so tastefully done that it = really changed my ultra-conservative mind about these things. True, I am = lobbying Josiah and Barbara to go with a string quartet, as they did at Barbara's sister's wedding, but whatever they choose, I TRUST their judgement and taste.   Of course, I don't know the selections you are being asked to play, other than the Canon, which is a decent work despite its popularity. When I was =   organist at the United Nations Chapel years ago, I was forced to play a two-generator-rack tube Allen, which was a minor hoot at the time. I DID adamantly refuse to play to oft-requested "Feelings" as a processional, = and stuck with that. However, at one wedding in my career I was asked to play =   "Send in the Clowns" as a processional, and the opportunity was too good = to pass up.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2242 - 07/19/01 From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:01:43 EDT   Someone once said, and I don't take credit for it, but it went something = like this:   "Those who critize others for playing too fast are usually those who can't............"   I haven't listened to the subject recordings, but I have Joyce play = several times over the last 15 years, and have a high regard for the woman's = ability. Richard Purvis used to say................"how'd your last recital go?" R Jay Williamson  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01 From: <RJAYWILL@aol.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:08:03 EDT   If there is a first lady of the organ, wouldn't it really be Cathrine = crozier?   R Jay Williamson    
(back) Subject: Re: Joyce Jones Concert From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:14:21 EDT     --part1_9b.18157bdc.2888fc0d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/19/01 5:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > the right measure of showpersonship,   OH PUHLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAZE!!!   Now let us stand and sing a song from the Broadperson hymnal!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_9b.18157bdc.2888fc0d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/19/01 5:20:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> the right measure = of showpersonship, </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>OH PUHLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAZE!!! <BR> <BR>Now let us stand and sing a song from the Broadperson hymnal!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9b.18157bdc.2888fc0d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Shut up and take the money? longish From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:14:29 EDT     --part1_e2.17c04877.2888fc15_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Chuck, Hiring someone works two ways.   They are hiring you to do a job. You have been trained (or trained = yourself) to do a job. If these are not the same "job" then you are within your = rights to say, "I'm sorry, but I do not wish to accept this job."   However, if the church for which you work says, "well, you're GONNA do = this job because that's what we hired you for," then you have a larger problem.   Chances are you can play the music these girls want and do a very fine or = at least acceptable job of it. It just shows what a well-rounded musician = you are. If people think the music is tacky, chances are the bride will get = the blame because, after, all it WAS her day.   Another point. If you are going to play contemporary music, charge contemporary prices. If the bride wants a tacky wedding and it does not violate the liturgical code of your particular church, the do it, if you = can do it in good conscience.   Just do your best. That's what they're paying you for. If the piano is tacky, tough.   I have had several weddings in which the bride insisted on something = tacky, and then came to me afterward and not only said that she was not satisfied =   with the music, but also apologized for putting me through it.   The main thing to think about is, if you're going to do something you = don't like make sure that it's worth it $$$   Have fun, and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE publish the programs!!! ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_e2.17c04877.2888fc15_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chuck, <BR>Hiring someone works two ways. <BR> <BR>They are hiring you to do a job. &nbsp;You have been trained (or = trained yourself) <BR>to do a job. &nbsp;If these are not the same "job" then you are within = your rights <BR>to say, "I'm sorry, but I do not wish to accept this job." <BR> <BR>However, if the church for which you work says, "well, you're GONNA do = this <BR>job because that's what we hired you for," then you have a larger = problem. <BR> <BR>Chances are you can play the music these girls want and do a very fine = or at <BR>least acceptable job of it. &nbsp;&nbsp;It just shows what a = well-rounded musician you <BR>are. &nbsp;&nbsp;If people think the music is tacky, chances are the = bride will get the <BR>blame because, after, all it WAS her day. <BR> <BR>Another point. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you are going to play contemporary = music, charge <BR>contemporary prices. &nbsp;&nbsp;If the bride wants a tacky wedding = and it does not <BR>violate the liturgical code of your particular church, the do it, if = you can <BR>do it in good conscience. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Just do your best. &nbsp;That's what they're paying you for. = &nbsp;&nbsp;If the piano is <BR>tacky, tough. <BR> <BR>I have had several weddings in which the bride insisted on something = tacky, <BR>and then came to me afterward and not only said that she was not = satisfied <BR>with the music, but also apologized for putting me through it. <BR> <BR>The main thing to think about is, if you're going to do something you = don't <BR>like make sure that it's worth it $$$ <BR> <BR>Have fun, and PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE publish the programs!!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e2.17c04877.2888fc15_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:14:30 EDT     --part1_78.17d91810.2888fc16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Did anyone catch the 7/14 NYTimes article about Archbishop Weakland's plans to renovate the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in Milwaukee? Apparently, some vatican people are pretty hacked off, since the plan includes putting an organ where the altar currently is (and moving the altar further out into the space.)   This has been discussed at length on another list. Personally, I don't = like moving the altar from the East wall, even an inch, but that seems to be = the theme of the day. Now, that said, if the clergy are going to move the = altar area away from the East wall, then that leaves the space open. The organ =   placed in front of the East well is no more a focal point of worship than = the East wall, so I guess it's perfectly legitimate.   I don't care for the Baptist amphitheatre choir style, since it go against =   Vatican II ideas that the faithful should be able to see the "action" at = the altar. The choir is now placed behind the altar, so they cannot see. Unfortunately, these folks often do not consider choristers "people."   The existing organ is by Robert Noeren and will be included in the = project, receiving servicing and possibly some refinishing. It's not being neglected. There is a good bit of information at the Goulding and Wood =   site. (Unless I'm having a senior moment that's who is doing the organ!)   I think what the archbishop is doing totally within the bounds of contemporary theology. We traditionalists don't like it, but, what the heck, we'll all be pushing up daisys soon. At this point, as long as the =   organ is good and the acoustics are pleasant, I'm just glad that the organ = is still included.   PS: Hollar when you're in town!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_78.17d91810.2888fc16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Did anyone catch the = 7/14 NYTimes article about Archbishop Weakland's <BR>plans to renovate the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist in = Milwaukee? <BR>Apparently, some vatican people are pretty hacked off, since the plan <BR>includes putting an organ where the altar currently is (and moving the <BR>altar further out into the space.) <BR> <BR>This has been discussed at length on another list. &nbsp;Personally, I = don't like <BR>moving the altar from the East wall, even an inch, but that seems to = be the <BR>theme of the day. &nbsp;Now, that said, if the clergy are going to = move the altar <BR>area away from the East wall, then that leaves the space open. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The organ <BR>placed in front of the East well is no more a focal point of worship = than the <BR>East wall, so I guess it's perfectly legitimate. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I don't care for the Baptist amphitheatre choir style, since it go = against <BR>Vatican II ideas that the faithful should be able to see the "action" = at the <BR>altar. &nbsp;&nbsp;The choir is now placed behind the altar, so they = cannot see. &nbsp; <BR>Unfortunately, these folks often do not consider choristers "people." <BR> <BR>The existing organ is by Robert Noeren and will be included in the = project, <BR>receiving servicing and possibly some refinishing. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's not being <BR>neglected. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;There is a good bit of information = at the Goulding and Wood <BR>site. &nbsp;(Unless I'm having a senior moment that's who is doing the = organ!) <BR> <BR>I think what the &nbsp;archbishop is doing totally within the bounds = of <BR>contemporary theology. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;We traditionalists don't like = it, but, what the <BR>heck, we'll all be pushing up daisys soon. &nbsp;&nbsp;At this point, = as long as the <BR>organ is good and the acoustics are pleasant, I'm just glad that the organ is <BR>still included. <BR> <BR>PS: &nbsp;Hollar when you're in town! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_78.17d91810.2888fc16_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Why not? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:37:36 EDT     --part1_2b.18754c29.28890180_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Why don't pianos belong in churches? They are musical instruments and can = be used to honor the Lord.   There are thousands of churches that have no other instrument besides = piano. They are no less "church" because of it.   Neil Brown             --part1_2b.18754c29.28890180_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Why don't pianos belong in churches? &nbsp;They are musical = instruments and can be <BR>used to honor the Lord. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>There are thousands of churches that have no other instrument besides = piano. &nbsp; <BR>They are no less "church" because of it. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2b.18754c29.28890180_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Milwaukee Cathedral article? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:30:43 EDT     --part1_110.2990e39.28890df3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/19/01 7:33:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, david@blackiris.com writes:     > The new organ will be by Nichols & Simpson, Inc., Organbuilders of > Little Rock, AR.   David, Thanks for the correction of the builder of the new organ. I knew is was = a double name!! Close, but no cigar!!! The situation will certainly be beneficial to both instruments.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_110.2990e39.28890df3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/19/01 7:33:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>david@blackiris.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The new organ will = be by Nichols &amp; Simpson, Inc., Organbuilders of <BR>Little Rock, AR. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>David, <BR>Thanks for the correction of the builder of the new organ. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I knew is was a <BR>double name!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Close, but no cigar!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The = situation will certainly be <BR>beneficial to both instruments. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_110.2990e39.28890df3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:52:39 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0131_01C110AD.E4E53DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >Why don't pianos belong in churches? They are musical instruments and = =3D can be=3D20 used to honor the Lord. There are thousands of churches that have no = =3D other instrument besides piano. =3D20 They are no less "church" because of it.=3D20   Neil, well put. I know this thread has existed on other lists, and =3D maybe this one as well. I am a purist when it comes to worship...prefer = =3D the organ for everything. But, I've also learned a long time ago that =3D other instruments have their place, no matter what the denomination. =3D You could take the most conservative congregation and still find use for = =3D piano, guitar, bells, percussion, etc. For example, there's a piece =3D called "Whoever Would Be Great Among You" (composer and publisher...I =3D don't have here), which calls for guitar. These are simple broken =3D chords. Not every choral accompaniment is written for organ. Not every = =3D song is written for organ (although you can disguise it if you're =3D creative). =3D20   IMHO (or NSHO, as it may be), I think that variety is a wonderful thing, = =3D and worship is worship, whether there's music or not. But, music is =3D truly a wonderful gift and it's great that a church can be blessed with = =3D talent to provide it. Why limit ourselves? And this argument could go = =3D on to involve pipe vs. electronic, organ vs. piano, acoustic vs. =3D electronic......but let's not go there. :-)   Jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0131_01C110AD.E4E53DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>&gt;Why don't pianos = =3D belong in=3D20 churches? &nbsp;They are musical instruments and can be <BR>used to =3D honor the=3D20 Lord.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There are thousands of churches that have = =3D no other=3D20 instrument besides piano. &nbsp; <BR>They are no less "church" because =3D of it.=3D20 <BR></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Neil, well put.&nbsp; = I =3D know this=3D20 thread has existed on other lists, and maybe this one as well.&nbsp; I =3D am a=3D20 purist when it comes to worship...prefer the organ for everything.&nbsp; = =3D But,=3D20 I've also learned a long time ago that other instruments have their =3D place, no=3D20 matter what the denomination.&nbsp; You could take the most conservative = =3D   congregation and still find use for piano, guitar, bells, percussion, =3D etc.&nbsp;=3D20 For example, there's a piece called "Whoever Would Be Great Among You" =3D (composer=3D20 and publisher...I don't have here), which calls for guitar.&nbsp; These = =3D are=3D20 simple broken chords.&nbsp; Not every choral accompaniment is written =3D for=3D20 organ.&nbsp; Not every song is written for organ (although you can =3D disguise it=3D20 if you're creative).&nbsp; </FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>IMHO (or NSHO, as it = =3D may be), I=3D20 think that variety is a wonderful thing, and worship is worship, whether = =3D there's=3D20 music or not.&nbsp; But, music is truly a wonderful gift and it's great = =3D that a=3D20 church can be blessed with talent to provide it.&nbsp; Why limit=3D20 ourselves?&nbsp; And this argument could go on to involve pipe vs. =3D electronic,=3D20 organ vs. piano, acoustic vs. electronic......but let's not go =3D there.&nbsp;=3D20 :-)</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>Jeff</DIV></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0131_01C110AD.E4E53DE0--    
(back) Subject: pianos in church From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:06:19 -0700   I had a piano in the organ-loft at Old St. Mary's in Cincinnati, and we had a professional choir who sang Solemn Mass every Sunday in Latin (grin).   It was there for a number of reasons ... first of all, the organ-loft was also our choir room ... it was HUGE (seated several HUNDRED, like most old RC churches) ... so the piano, the library, the coffee-pot, and everything ELSE was in the organ-loft.   Second, the big old Austin organ failed occasionally ... not very often .... once the big leather belt that ran the generator broke ... the power went off during storms once in awhile.   BUT, there were also occasions when we USED the piano DURING Mass to accompany things ... sometimes to supply harp parts, sometimes because the accompaniment simply WORKED better on the piano. My TERMINALLY high-church RC congregation thought nothing of it.   We have a piano in the choir at St. Matthew's ... in our first temporary building, we didn't have a choir room, so we practiced in the church; every once in awhile we'd do something that went better with the piano, so I'd use it during Mass. And, of course, the Hamsucki failed with predictable regularity, so we NEEDED something by way of backup.   We also had SEVERAL lovely services by candlelight with the piano when the power failed.   After I had the stroke, there were Sundays when my legs wouldn't work, and/or I couldn't sit at the organ without toppling over (grin) ... still happens occasionally.   Or we'll sing something that really NEEDS "gospel" stylings, so I'll play the piano.   90% of our music is still high-church, conservative, and accompanied by the organ ... but like at the funeral today, I would have LOVED to have a gospel pianist to play along WITH me (grin).   Obviously I can't all worked up about using the piano in church ... Gregorian Psalms with soft piano arpeggios under the reciting notes sound quite nice (grin).   Like guitars, I don't think it's the INSTRUMENT that's offensive, but rather the choice of MUSIC and the style of PLAYING that CAN be.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:08:49 EDT     --part1_3a.17fc2d12.288916e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/19/01 9:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = RJAYWILL@aol.com writes:     > If there is a first lady of the organ, wouldn't it really be Cathrine > crozier? > I still vote for Virgil!     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3a.17fc2d12.288916e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/19/01 9:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RJAYWILL@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If there is a = first lady of the organ, wouldn't it really be Cathrine <BR>crozier? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I still vote for Virgil! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.17fc2d12.288916e1_boundary--