PipeChat Digest #2246 - Friday, July 20, 2001
 
Re: Why not?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Why not?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Why not?
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Waaa-deen #1 RESULTS!
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Waaa-deen #1 RESULTS!
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:16:57 EDT     --part1_6a.10dddfd0.288918c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/20/01 12:40:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > Why don't pianos belong in churches?   Because, they just don't!!! ;-)   It's tradition! '-)   and because they just don't!!!       BUT, when they are, they sure are fun. I played in a Baptist church = with a 3/28 Moller and a Steinway concert grand with a concert pianoist and boy = did we have fun. It just takes time getting used to.   I don't like having piano music in church, or gospel music, or renewal = music, but when they're going on I usually benefit from them.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6a.10dddfd0.288918c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/20/01 12:40:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Why don't pianos = belong in churches? &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Because, they just don't!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>It's tradition! &nbsp;'-) <BR> <BR>and because they just don't!!! <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>BUT, &nbsp;when they are, they sure are fun. &nbsp;&nbsp;I played in a = Baptist church with a <BR>3/28 Moller and a Steinway concert grand with a concert pianoist and = boy did <BR>we have fun. &nbsp;It just takes time getting used to. <BR> <BR>I don't like having piano music in church, or gospel music, or renewal = music, <BR>but when they're going on I usually benefit from them. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6a.10dddfd0.288918c9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:59:52 EDT   Hi Neil Brown:   Since this is an organ forum, and most of us choose organ over piano as our instrument. In comparison with the organ as an eclesiastical instrument, the piano rates a distant last.   The piano has it's uses as a percussive choir rehearsal tool. It's = association with entertainment, and it's introduction into church to prove we are = Modern, Different, Eclectic etc. It certainly makes a statement!, but I don't feel = it provides the other worldly atmosphere most of us desire or want.   Churches years ago, had pipe organs, reed organs, if that's was the best they could afford.   Most of us choose not to be thoroughly Modern Millie or Mack because of our love for something on a much higher plane.   A concert instrument like the piano IMHO sends the wrong message theologically, and ethically to a congregation. It implies that instead of worship, we are hearing a concert today. That's a worldly concept. In no way can it uplift the way the organ does. If we are bored by worship of God, perhaps we need to take in a concert instead. I don't think we gain anything by mixing the two concepts. In Psalm 150 It mentions organs and harps not pianos. The harp was used because it was soothing to the soul while played singing the Psalms. The organ fills that same soothing office and for the same reason. Innovation has it's place in opera, musicals, entertainment, supper clubs, movies, but not in church. If in the right mind frame it would never occur to man to entertain in church, yet it now happens all too often. Why is = that?   I guess what I'm attempting to say is, are we seeking after higher things and God, or are we pulling God down in a worldly way to be more like us?   I'll leave it at that!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01 From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:14:39 EDT   Hi Bruce:   I'm confused. Are you implying that Virgil should be considered First "Lady" of the organ? Did you really, really mean that? Saints Preserve us!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:56:19 -0400   What about the Orthodox churches that have no instruments at all???? Now you can't say they are not a church as they most certainly are.      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2244 - 07/19/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:18:51 EDT     --part1_114.1e8ed7d.2889436b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/20/01 2:15:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > I'm confused. Are you implying that Virgil should be considered > First "Lady" of the organ? Did you really, really mean that? > Saints Preserve us! >   Oh, read the dang book, Ron!!! heeheehee Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_114.1e8ed7d.2889436b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/20/01 2:15:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm confused. Are = you implying that Virgil should be considered <BR>First "Lady" of the organ? Did you really, really mean that? <BR>Saints Preserve us! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Oh, read the dang book, Ron!!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_114.1e8ed7d.2889436b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Waaa-deen #1 RESULTS! From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:24:19 -0400   Yes, Neil, I recently HAVE had someone ask to stop the waa-deen so they = can play their favorite song on CD. With two vocalists, two trumpet players, and me, I said "Why can't one or more of these people learn this song and perform it live if it's appropriate for worship?" The bride's mother had = no answer for that. So, then, GOD FORGIVE ME, I said "Well, I don't think = there is a CD player in the Sanctuary. Come to think of it, I've been playing weddings for 25 years and have never had this request, but then, in the churches I've served I guess I've played for more formal, upscale weddings where this wouldn't have come up." I know, I know, over the top. She said "Well, this is a 22-year-old who wants this and that, what are we to do?" = I said "Apply firm guidance."   As far as Miss Contemporary goes: she arrived at the conference with mom and dad in tow. Perhaps an only child? Recent college grad, her first statement was "I don't like any of those ol' hymns", with a pointed look = at her father. He rolled his eyes, being, as it turns out, recently retired clergy. So that explains that, it was a form of rebellion.   I said I was pretty confused because of the twice stated insistence on contemporary but then a request for the Canon in D. She looked almost tearful and said... "I don't know, I just want you to play something PRETTY." I smiled and said "But, dahling, I beg your pardon, EVERYTHING = I play is pretty." The parents looked at her liked they were gonna kill = her. Seems one day she's set on classical, the next day NO classical, and = they're getting tired of the indecision.   At that point, I just played all the normal stuff I'd play for a chapel wedding where we use piano because that's all there is. (Historical = chapel, 1840.) I didn't give titles or anything. She chose:   Seating of Mothers/candle thingy: Satie Gymnopedie (I forget the number, you know which one.) This was the hardest, I wouldn't normally = play this for worship, but I went through a ton of stuff before she said "Kewl, that's a keeper." (sheesh)   Processional: Canon In D   Recessional: Te Deum Charpentier   Pre-service music: Hymn arrangements by Joseph Martin: The Gift of Love = (O Waly, Waly), Simple Gifts, My Shepherd Will Supply, etc. These are GREAT BOOKS, if you ever have to play piano for worship. One book is called American Tapestry, one is called Songs for the Journey. They're maybe a little show-offy, but charming. I ordered 'em off Amazon.com.   Thanks for all the responses, it's fun to read your thoughts.   Chuck Peery Cincinnati            
(back) Subject: Re: Waaa-deen #1 RESULTS! From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:27:55 -0400   Do you guys do divorce ceremonies? You really should consider it for = extra income.   Charles Peery wrote:   > Yes, Neil, I recently HAVE had someone ask to stop the waa-deen so they = can > play their favorite song on CD. With two vocalists, two trumpet = players, > and me, I said "Why can't one or more of these people learn this song = and > perform it live if it's appropriate for worship?" The bride's mother = had no > answer for that. So, then, GOD FORGIVE ME, I said "Well, I don't think = there > is a CD player in the Sanctuary. Come to think of it, I've been playing > weddings for 25 years and have never had this request, but then, in the > churches I've served I guess I've played for more formal, upscale = weddings > where this wouldn't have come up." I know, I know, over the top. She = said > "Well, this is a 22-year-old who wants this and that, what are we to = do?" I > said "Apply firm guidance." > > As far as Miss Contemporary goes: she arrived at the conference with = mom > and dad in tow. Perhaps an only child? Recent college grad, her first > statement was "I don't like any of those ol' hymns", with a pointed look = at > her father. He rolled his eyes, being, as it turns out, recently = retired > clergy. So that explains that, it was a form of rebellion. > > I said I was pretty confused because of the twice stated insistence on > contemporary but then a request for the Canon in D. She looked almost > tearful and said... "I don't know, I just want you to play something > PRETTY." I smiled and said "But, dahling, I beg your pardon, = EVERYTHING I > play is pretty." The parents looked at her liked they were gonna kill = her. > Seems one day she's set on classical, the next day NO classical, and = they're > getting tired of the indecision. > > At that point, I just played all the normal stuff I'd play for a chapel > wedding where we use piano because that's all there is. (Historical = chapel, > 1840.) I didn't give titles or anything. She chose: > > Seating of Mothers/candle thingy: Satie Gymnopedie (I forget the > number, you know which one.) This was the hardest, I wouldn't normally = play > this for worship, but I went through a ton of stuff before she said = "Kewl, > that's a keeper." (sheesh) > > Processional: Canon In D > > Recessional: Te Deum Charpentier > > Pre-service music: Hymn arrangements by Joseph Martin: The Gift of = Love (O > Waly, Waly), Simple Gifts, My Shepherd Will Supply, etc. These are = GREAT > BOOKS, if you ever have to play piano for worship. One book is called > American Tapestry, one is called Songs for the Journey. They're maybe a > little show-offy, but charming. I ordered 'em off Amazon.com. > > Thanks for all the responses, it's fun to read your thoughts. > > Chuck Peery > Cincinnati > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************