PipeChat Digest #2249 - Saturday, July 21, 2001
 
pianos, the South, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Why not?( Continuation?)
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: Churches that use no instruments
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
"the youth" and hymns, organs, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Why not?
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Churches that use no instruments
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Why not?
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
 

(back) Subject: pianos, the South, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:18:31 -0700   Sorry, Jim, I have to disagree. I grew up in a Southern mining town of = 2000 souls. There were four organs ... 1 pipe, 3 not. But ALL those churches = had traditional music, and choirs.   When I was 12, we moved to a neighboring town of 12,000 people ... 6 pipe = organs; I never bothered to count the "nots" (grin) ... again, traditional music, = choirs, etc.   The neighboring "big" town (Lakeland, Fl) had more pipe organs than you = could shake a stick at ... many were three-manual; at least two of the jobs were full-time. The "downtown" Episcopal church maintained a Solemn High Mass = with choir, at least from September through May.   When I was a senior in high school, I played at St. Paul's Episcopal in = Winter Haven FL ... same story ... more pipe organs than "nots", choirs, etc.   Now, don't mistake this for the "other" Florida ... this was the old-time = Deep South, make no mistake about it.   I don't think the praze craze has made any more inroads in the South than anywhere else ... some of the finest choirs and pipe organs, old and new, = are to be found in the South.   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:56:31 -0400   > From: Wurlibird1@aol.com > Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church   Jim Pitts writes (among other things snipped): > > Population centers such as New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, etc., had = larger > churches with more parishoiners/members/congregants/worshipers, = substantial > organs and trained organists. In my region of the country our heritage = is an > agricultural base which resulted in a scattered populous with many small > towns and many small churches. Organs were virtually nonexistent in = most of > these country churches (and there were and are thousands of them) until > electronic substitutes began to appear.   I spent quite a bit of my time in rural Dakota, Montana, etc. Don't = recall attending (or even knowing of) a (in my case, Lutheran) church that didn't have an organ. Oh, maybe a reed organ, or an electronic device, but the nearest thing they could get to a real "organ" was just indispensable. My point: I don't think it's so much a rural/urban or agricultural/hitech thing, as a denominational/cultural one.   > To be sure, the "First (insert here > denomination here) Church" probably had a legitimate instrument in the = larger > towns and cities, but even so the cultural preferences among us was > considerably different from those in the industrialized regions. Of > financial necessity or congregational preference, the piano dominated in > worship settings for a preponderance of Southern churches.   Which I think supports my point (above). > > Eluding again to Southern culture,   Please don't take it as a serious jab if I suggest that I'd PREFER to "elude" Southern culture. tee hee and no offense, I hope.   > funerals were more than a memorial to the > dead. They were social events which demanded attendance from the = community.   That's correct. In such communities, EVERYONE must attend EVERY funeral except maybe the depot agent who has to be at his post.   > For many, the only time they heard an organ (or darkened the church = door) was > at funerals. These country church organists had little if any training = and > the dominant stop was <VIBRATO>. Thus, the funereal association with = the > organ down south.   And elsewhere. Working in offices in New York City, with classical music station playing in my cubicle, on that RARE occasion that they play something for the organ, people (secular Jews, largely--but really secular whatevers) often stop by and say, "Funeral again today?" The association = is not limited to down south.   > This is further exacerbated by the current trend of funeral home chapels = in > preference to church-sited funerals.   Right you are. ELIMINATE that trend.   > Those who preside over the funeral home > organs in my area do little to enhance the popularity of the instrument. > Rock of Ages, Abide With Me, > How Great Thou Art, and Amazing Gracie with Wurlitzer-like Tibia = tremulants > ablaze do little to dispel this myth that organs must sound funereal.   Totally agreed.   > As a final point, more and more churches "down South" are adopting the > Praze-Band musical influence. Those of the dominate marrying age were = raised > on this (how can I be kind) stuff and associate it as the norm. Since = this > is their lineage, are we to be overly surprised at their nuptial = requests?   I'm in the theatre district of Manhattan. The Dept. of Commerce Bureau of the Census identifies our census tract as "Bohemian." Lots of young = singles planning to stay that way unless the laws change, if you get my drift. = Lots of them come from rural and small-town south and midwest. They got into = the high-school musical and decided they enjoyed performing; they went to the state college and took up drama and stuff. They come to Manhattan to make it big on Broadway. Some at least get jobs there; most end up mostly working as waiters and caterers and freelance word processors and stuff. And a lot of them come to Saint Luke's Church. They write home to their parents: "I've found a neat church." The parents have a heart attack, because any church that their kid would call "neat" must have parishioners with green hair and perforated foreskins. Soon (3 months, average) the parents can't stand it any longer and come to Satan's City to check up on their kidlet. Kid drags them to church. The parents are SHOCKED! = Because Saint Luke's is totally traditional, old fashioned, conservative. (Oh, we can sing Caribbean, and use congas and stuff on occasion; but mostly, = we're VERY traditional Lutheran.) The parents can't figure it out. Their home church down in Arkansas has praise bands and rock and roll to attract the kids, who (I'm sure there are exceptions) are turned OFF by it, and feel pandered to.   The parents then say to me, "We couldn't even get him to go to church at HOME! What ever caused him to come to church HERE?" (And these are = Baptist kids, and the like.) (Of course, I'm a Lutheran, so I explain about the Holy Spirit, who "calls, gathers, enlightens, and sanctifies.")   Think about it.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Why not?( Continuation?) From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:57:26 -0700   >From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:19:34 EDT   >Hi Dennis:   >And your major point of the day is................?   >Ron   Gee, I thought I made it. Did I type too fast?   D :-)    
(back) Subject: Re: Churches that use no instruments From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:42:12 EDT   Hi List:   Ancient Rite churches such as the Greek, Russian and other Orthodox branches don't use instruments for institutional worship. This at least until recently. Choral four part music is sung accapella, as well as Cantor and Priest interplay of chanting. This is their worship style, and can be quite enlightening and refreshing.   The caveate until recently, some Greek churches do use organs for choral work. A good example is the large and imposing Santa Sophia Cathedral in Los Angeles. Up until recently, they had a rather large Wurlitzer pipe organ that has now given way to an electronic. The Wurlitzer was given by the CEO of the then Fox Theatre Chain who's name was Parkurcarkis. It served well until it required releathering. It was several instruments cobbled together out of the movie Palaces from around the country. Rodgers replaced it!   St. John the Baptist in Anaheim, CA has a much abused Allen. So the Ancient churches are using organs for the first time with a history going back some seventy-five years. Some priests will allow their use and other will not. It's an on and off proposition. BTW Those priests still rule, = and truck no nonsense. Liturgy is everything. I doubt seriously if DESIGNER Waaa-Deeens are allowed or tollerated there. Modern Girls beware!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:07:12 -0500   When people attend church for funerals and that's about all, they probably associate grief with the organ. I've heard quotes like "sounds like funeral music", "to slow" etc.   Another reason I think is rebellion. Some of the now generation seem to think that hymns are "just awful". (along with the organ) Our new young pastor told me that the young (from where he came) did not want to do hymns as in "we don't want to use that old book" . Anyway they will sing to projected words on the wall.   The funny thing about this is when they projected the words of a hymn on the wall, they found that they liked it and were surprised to find that it was from the hymn book... go figure. Somehow they became prejudiced against the music without giving it a chance. At the church where my son attends in California they project the words = and when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain better. for what it's worth,,, Luther   -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, July 20, 2001 8:02 AM     >Dear Chatters: > >Another thing we must continue to re-examine and evaluate is why DO = people >have such intensely violent reactions to even the THOUGHT of organ music? >Who and what is creating the experiences that LEAD to the abject horror = at >the mere MENTION of the organ? It's NOT a "plot." It IS cause and = effect. >And until we figure it out, and CHANGE it, those reactions will continue to >hit us like a ton of bricks at the least expected and least desirable moments. > >Sebastian Matthaus Gluck >New York City > >    
(back) Subject: "the youth" and hymns, organs, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:17:06 -0700   Pardon me, but when did "the youth" acquire degrees in theology, liturgy = or music?   I can tell you plainly what happened in OUR house if anyone questioned my parents' edicts on ANYTHING, *including* religion:   "AS LONG AS YOU LIVE UNDER *MY* ROOF, AND PUT YOUR FEET UNDER *MY* TABLE, = YOU'LL GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, AND EAT WHAT'S SERVED."   End of discussion, followed by a smart slap upside the head, if you were = lucky to get off so lightly.   There was an article floating around the Net not too long ago about how = we've turned all that topsy-turvy, and the very real dangers of pandering to = "the youth" ... for the first time in the history of civilization, THEIR = opinions and tastes matter more than age, experience, education, etc. ... parents have abrogated their job of parenting, which USED to mean passing on their = knowledge and traditions, etc. (among other things); "discipline" is a dirty word = ... you're liable to stunt the poor darlings' growth, or some such nonsense.   Believe it or not, I have good rapport with young people, because I EXPECT something of them: I EXPECT them to behave as responsible adults; and if = they don't, there ARE consequences.   "The youth" have neither the age nor the experience (nor the WISDOM) to = know what's good for them. It's the job of adults to TELL them, and set the = example.   Overturn two thousand years of tradition to satisfy the whims of a bunch = of teenagers? I don't THINK so.   Cheers,   Bud            
(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:22:34 -0500   > Since this is an organ forum, and most of us choose organ over piano > as our instrument. In comparison with the organ as an eclesiastical > instrument, the piano rates a distant last.   What about brass? What about handbells? What about woodwinds? What = about percussion? I love the organ, but I also enjoy using other instruments.   > The piano has it's uses as a percussive choir rehearsal tool. It's association > with entertainment, and it's introduction into church to prove we are Modern, > Different, Eclectic etc. It certainly makes a statement!, but I don't = feel it > provides the other worldly atmosphere most of us desire or want.   And the organ doesn't have an association with entertainment? What do you think these small towns in Europe who had no symphony orchestras listened to? They went to the church to hear symphonic works! What about the theatre organ? What about the store in the local mall selling "spinet" organs? I'm not sure I follow your point here.   > Churches years ago, had pipe organs, reed organs, if that's was the best > they could afford.   My previous church bought their organ in 1902, costing a whopping $6,000, which in that time was quite expensive. The little mission church on the corner which has 25 people show up and feel lucky that Grandma LuLu had a piano she could donate to the church for service...are they worshiping God any less?   > Most of us choose not to be thoroughly Modern Millie or Mack because of > our love for something on a much higher plane.   I don't know about "most". If that's what you love, that's great! I'm = not cutting you down for your opinion at all. But we have our rights to our opinions as well.   > A concert instrument like the piano IMHO sends the wrong message > theologically, and ethically to a congregation. It implies that instead = of > worship, we are hearing a concert today. That's a worldly concept. In no > way can it uplift the way the organ does.   I can't even begin to agree here. First, you're making an assumption on = the point of view of the average worshiper. And I think that some of the more accomplished pianists would probably take great umbrage at the comment = that their instrument couldn't be uplifting. Mark Hayes, for example, writes wonderful choral compositions with great accompaniments. Ken Medema is another.     >If we are bored by worship of God, perhaps we need to take in a concert instead. I don't think we gain > anything by mixing the two concepts. In Psalm 150 It mentions organs > and harps not pianos.   Point of order...when David wrote the psalm, the piano didn't exist.   > The harp was used because it was soothing to > the soul while played singing the Psalms. The organ fills that same > soothing office and for the same reason.   Is not a harp a stringed instrument? Granted, it's plucked instead of struck. Church bells are struck.   > Innovation has it's place in opera, musicals, entertainment, supper = clubs, > movies, but not in church. If in the right mind frame it would never = occur > to man to entertain in church, yet it now happens all too often. Why is that?   Does this go back to pre Vatican? Without innovation, we'd not have amplification, we'd not have the services in English, we'd still be paying indulgences....the list goes on. And since when is the piano an "innovation"? I guess those of us with electro-pneumatic organs with electric stop action and multiple combination memories and transposers and electrically-driven blowers need to have the organs redone? I'll grant = this is an exaggeration, but the piano as an "innovation"? I can't understand what you're trying to say.   > I guess what I'm attempting to say is, are we seeking after higher = things > and God, or are we pulling God down in a worldly way to be more like us?   Sorry, this doesn't float with me. I wouldn't presume to determine what = God likes and dislikes. But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd think He'd probably be happy that we're coming to worship at all, and that we'd probably do better not to sweat the small stuff and concentrate on the bigger issues in life.   Just a humble opinion stated not-so-humbly. Ron, I'm not trying to flame, but to present arguments for your case from my perspective. I just can't see how using the piano for worship degrades anything.   Regards, Jeff      
(back) Subject: Re: Churches that use no instruments From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:28:10 EDT     --part1_bb.114a97b9.288a6cea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have played for a wedding at a Greek Orthodox church in which I had to bring my own keyboard and amp - the church had no organ OR piano. Bride wanted traditional music, though. :-)   Vicki Ceruti   --part1_bb.114a97b9.288a6cea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">I have played for a = wedding at a Greek Orthodox church in which I had to <BR>bring my own keyboard and amp - the church had no organ OR piano. = &nbsp;Bride <BR>wanted traditional music, though. &nbsp;:-) <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.114a97b9.288a6cea_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:33:35 -0500   > What is really going on here is that this practice so often leads to the > destruction of the music program, providing avenues for the banjo-and-sandal > bands, as well as the hiring of left-footed piano students at minimum = wage or > "volunteerism" to become "Ministers of the Lord's Musics." When those piano > players ARE asked to play the organ, they say, "It doesn't have a 'loud' > pedal and I can't work the foot-keys," and the rolltop goes down for the last > time. It's shocking and heartbreaking, but that doesn't stop it from > happening.   Now *this* I can agree with. The church I just started playing for, their previous music minister used the piano as the primary instrument, and the organ sat for long periods, silent. I also know of two or three churches = in this area who built "worship centers"; no organ, and using keyboard music. That's a sad testimony also. Maybe it's not the use of which instrument, but the people being HIRED to do the job we should take a closer look at??   > Pianos are found in many churches and synagogues with great music programs, > and no harm is done. But I sense a collective and very justifiable fear > amongst trained professional organists that it is an invitation to a downward > spiral. I have seen it often, here in New York City, the cultural = capital of > the world.   Agreed here, and if this is what Ron was saying, I can whole-heartedly agree.   > Another thing we must continue to re-examine and evaluate is why DO = people > have such intensely violent reactions to even the THOUGHT of organ = music?   Well, I have a theory....and I regret to say that after listening to a publisher's demo CD, I can understand why. The repertoire presented can often cause them not to understand the nature of the music, which is why I like to use what Bruce has said is "not concert fare" in my music selections. And, I believe that there is some movement toward the organ, and it's up to US, organists, pastors and music directors alike, to = promote it's use. The AGO has the POE's, and Pedals, Pipes and Pizza, and if you get The American Organist, there's always a crowd of kids in those = pictures.   > Who and what is creating the experiences that LEAD to the abject horror = at > the mere MENTION of the organ? It's NOT a "plot." It IS cause and effect.   I don't know where the impression that there's horror....I rather call it "lack of education." I had this with a bride recently who wanted CD's = used. I told her the pitfalls of using CD's, and she opened her mind to the use = of the organ. She said she always associated it with funerals, but I proved her quite wrong, and she was ecstatic!   I appreciate the comments and thoughts on this, because as an organist, I = AM concerned that the organ live on....but it's not going to happen unless we do what WE can to make it so. Also, the organ builders seem to continue = to have work on new and existing instruments, at least here in the midwest...that can't be a bad sign!   Jeff      
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:31:21 EDT     --part1_36.18daf507.288a6da9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/20/01 6:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = lmelby@prtel.com writes:     > At the church where my son attends in California they project the words = and > when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain = better. >   Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and voices project.....   --part1_36.18daf507.288a6da9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated = 7/20/01 6:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmelby@prtel.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At the church = where my son attends in California they project the words and <BR>when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain = better. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and = voices <BR>project.....</FONT></HTML>   --part1_36.18daf507.288a6da9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not? From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:37:13 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C1117D.48DFDF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Glenda says: Well, I for one am sorry you think the piano has no place in church, so = =3D please don't come to St. Agatha's, for I'd hate for you to suffer =3D disappointment. I use the 2-year old grand piano for prelude and =3D communion music (always unsung) almost (but not quite) as much as the =3D organ nowadays, and what's more, people listen to and enjoy it more. =3D20   To which I reply: You just proved Sebastian's and Ron's point....although not to the =3D degree of "entertainment" as was suggested. But, in all fairness, it's = =3D much easier to talk over organ music and not be heard as much than it is = =3D to talk over piano music, where conversation can more easily be heard. = =3D The organ tends to be much fuller, which is what I think Ron also was =3D saying.   Regards, Jeff     ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C1117D.48DFDF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda says:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Well, I for one am sorry you think = the =3D piano has no=3D20 place in church, so please don't come to St. Agatha's, for I'd hate for = =3D you to=3D20 suffer disappointment.&nbsp; I use the 2-year old grand piano for =3D prelude=3D20 and&nbsp;communion music (always unsung) almost (but not quite) as much = =3D as the=3D20 organ nowadays, and what's more, people listen to and enjoy it =3D more.&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>To which I reply:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You just proved Sebastian's and = Ron's=3D20 point....although not to the degree of "entertainment" as was=3D20 suggested.&nbsp;&nbsp; But, in all fairness, it's much easier to talk =3D over organ=3D20 music and not be heard as much than it is to talk over piano music, =3D where=3D20 conversation can more easily be heard.&nbsp; The organ tends to be much = =3D fuller,=3D20 which is what I think Ron also was saying.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003F_01C1117D.48DFDF60--    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:42:10 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C1117D.F9B11200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     At his seminary where he teaches, he led a class that included several =3D Asian=3D20 students. Their final exam was to prepare a worship service which the =3D Asian=3D20 contingent did using several selections of music from their traditions. = =3D Mr.=3D20 Westermeyer encouraged them to use native styles as much as possible, =3D and=3D20 yet, whenever he heard them practicing, they were using organ.=3D20 He tried to discourage them from using organ (not in style, yada yada), = =3D but=3D20 they told him, "But we like the sound or the organ. We want to use =3D organ."=3D20     This is a wonderful story, and you know, the pipe organ is making an =3D explosion over in Japan, from what I'm reading. Perhaps it's the =3D American culture...the need to be entertained, or have fast-moving stuff = =3D (or put it all on a screen...that works like flies to honey.) The above = =3D paragraph sort of tells it best..."We like the sound..." Seems to fall = =3D back on the organist again? Just a thought...   Regards, jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C1117D.F9B11200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>At his seminary where = =3D he teaches,=3D20 he led a class that included several Asian <BR>students. &nbsp;Their =3D final exam=3D20 was to prepare a worship service which the Asian <BR>contingent did =3D using=3D20 several selections of music from their traditions. &nbsp;Mr. =3D <BR>Westermeyer=3D20 encouraged them to use native styles as much as possible, and <BR>yet, =3D whenever=3D20 he heard them practicing, they were using organ. <BR>He tried to =3D discourage them=3D20 from using organ (not in style, yada yada), but <BR>they told him, "But = =3D we like=3D20 the sound or the organ. &nbsp;We want to use organ."=3D20 <BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>This is a wonderful = =3D story, and you=3D20 know, the pipe organ is making an explosion over in Japan, from what I'm = =3D   reading.&nbsp; Perhaps it's the American culture...the need to be =3D entertained,=3D20 or have fast-moving stuff (or put it all on a screen...that works like =3D flies to=3D20 honey.)&nbsp; The above paragraph sort of tells it best..."We like = the=3D20 sound..."&nbsp; Seems to fall back on the organist again?&nbsp; Just = a=3D20 thought...</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>Regards,</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>jeff</DIV></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C1117D.F9B11200--