PipeChat Digest #2251 - Saturday, July 21, 2001
 
A Piano, TOO !
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
"the youth" and hymns, organs, etc.
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church and the fat lady.
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Pianos, the south, etc.
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Pianos, the south, etc.
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Pianos, the south, etc.
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Pianos, the south, etc.
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: A Piano, TOO ! From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:45:00 -0400   Dear Listers,   From a choral standpoint, a piano is almost a necessity in a "reformed Theology" church. There is simply SO much of the new ( and good) music that just doesn't work well w/ organ. In my church (Presbyterian), we use the organ to accompany the choir, but if the piece works better with piano, then we are very grateful for the grand that was donated to our Sanctuary! The fact that our DoM is a fabulious pianist doesn't hurt !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY     On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:52:39 -0500 "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> writes: > >Why don't pianos belong in churches? They are musical instruments > and can be > used to honor the Lord. There are thousands of churches that > have no other instrument besides piano. > They are no less "church" because of it. > > Neil, well put. I know this thread has existed on other lists, and > maybe this one as well. I am a purist when it comes to > worship...prefer the organ for everything. But, I've also learned a > long time ago that other instruments have their place, no matter > what the denomination. You could take the most conservative > congregation and still find use for piano, guitar, bells, > percussion, etc. For example, there's a piece called "Whoever Would > Be Great Among You" (composer and publisher...I don't have here), > which calls for guitar. These are simple broken chords. Not every > choral accompaniment is written for organ. Not every song is > written for organ (although you can disguise it if you're creative). > > > IMHO (or NSHO, as it may be), I think that variety is a wonderful > thing, and worship is worship, whether there's music or not. But, > music is truly a wonderful gift and it's great that a church can be > blessed with talent to provide it. Why limit ourselves? And this > argument could go on to involve pipe vs. electronic, organ vs. > piano, acoustic vs. electronic......but let's not go there. :-) > > Jeff   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: "the youth" and hymns, organs, etc. From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:22:55 -0400   AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, Bud.   There is only one problem with this... it's not the youth that started it, = they are the benefactors of this movement and now expect everything handed = to them. OH.... I have to work in college, if I just show up once in a while I should pass, you have to give me a C   I think the whole problem started long ago like a small virus. It's some = of the parents that should be hauled behind the woodshed. You've seen = them while looking out over the balcony. Just sitting there in church like a bump on a log while their damned kids climb all = over the pews and under them, and run up and down the aisles.   Then you know, you really can't correct your kids now, schools are full of = "counselors" who look for information about parents, asking leading = questions... looking for information so they can string someone up for child abuse.   I'm sorry, there are people out there who should be locked up for = mistreating their children, but there is a difference between a parent who = beats a child and a parent who corrects their child with a warm bottom as the last resort to a whole line of options that to this = point, have not been effective!. This is simple correction and these = little creatures are no different than any other animal! Sort of like "stop... or I'll say stop again".... very effective!   I will tell you at my house, the rules are quite clear. I'm 48 and the = children are 8 and 4 and everyone comments how well behaved they are... = (thank God they act that way in public), but the result is, kids need to decompress, but they know that when they go out in public = they will treat adults with respect, they will sit quietly in church, not = run through stores, etc.   These brides that come in and say I want I want is all part of generation = ME. As well as being seriously involved in music and organs, I also am = involved in video recording. I do rather high end work which means I make a hell of a lot of money to shoot a wedding and = produce a video for someone. I have seen Brides mouth off to their = parents (and these brides are not teenagers). The amount of self centered people out there is staggering. Fortunately it's not a high = percentage, but you can tell the ones that should have had their mouths = washed out with soap years ago, or better yet.. as a good southern lady that used to be at a lutheran church north of DC would = put it... a good ass whipping!   Wayne    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:08:52 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3078551333_9381171_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: Myosotis51@aol.com Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church   At the church where my son attends in California they project the words = and when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain better.   Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and voices project.....     You're right, of course. But I'm a bit concerned about the folks who like to read through the hymns during the prelude (or even earlier) each = Sunday. And/Or meditate on them during communion. I think that you ought to = provide hymnals in the pews even IF you project the words on the wall as well. (Which I've never seen done, but it strikes me as a bit odd. And we couldn't do it anyway; our walls are occupied with other things: windows, paintings, gilt, stencilwork, an organ, banners, etc.)   Alan   --MS_Mac_OE_3078551333_9381171_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Perils of Pianos in church</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>Myosotis51@aol.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Perils of Pianos in church<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">At the church where = my son at=3D tends in California they project the words and <BR> when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain better. = =3D <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial"><BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000A0"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans = MS">Perhaps that=3D way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and voices <BR> project.....</FONT></FONT> <BR> <BR> <BR> You're right, of course. &nbsp;But I'm a bit concerned about the folks who = =3D like to read through the hymns during the prelude (or even earlier) each = Sun=3D day. &nbsp;And/Or meditate on them during communion. &nbsp;I think that = you =3D ought to provide hymnals in the pews even IF you project the words on the = wa=3D ll as well. &nbsp;(Which I've never seen done, but it strikes me as a bit = od=3D d. &nbsp;And we couldn't do it anyway; our walls are occupied with other = thi=3D ngs: &nbsp;windows, paintings, gilt, stencilwork, an organ, banners, = etc.)<B=3D R> <BR> Alan </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3078551333_9381171_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: RE: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:41:20 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C111C9.4CDAF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Allan, Our church uses the projection screen to project the hymns on the wall. However, we DO have hymnals in the pews as well. And yes, people still use the hymnals. I also see this as an act of laziness. Our society is just plain lazy. Projecting the hymns is just another way of saying, "Well, I don't have to hold that heavy hymnal anymore!" I think it's a good idea, but when are we going to stop catering to the wants of the people? I know worship is supposed to be a joint thing, but isn't the pastor supposed to be the leader? I really like tradition, and, well, church isn't tradition anymore. Josh Edwards   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 9:09 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church     From: Myosotis51@aol.com Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church       At the church where my son attends in California they project the words and when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain better.       Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and voices project.....     You're right, of course. But I'm a bit concerned about the folks who like to read through the hymns during the prelude (or even earlier) each Sunday. And/Or meditate on them during communion. I think that you ought to provide hymnals in the pews even IF you project the words on the wall as well. (Which I've never seen done, but it strikes me as a bit odd. And we couldn't do it anyway; our walls are occupied with other things: windows, paintings, gilt, stencilwork, an organ, banners, etc.)   Alan     ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C111C9.4CDAF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <TITLE>Message</TITLE>   <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Allan,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Our=3D20 church uses the projection screen to project the hymns on the =3D wall.&nbsp;=3D20 However, we DO have hymnals in the pews as well.&nbsp; And yes, people =3D still use=3D20 the hymnals.&nbsp; I also see this as an act of laziness.&nbsp; Our =3D society is=3D20 just plain lazy.&nbsp; Projecting the hymns is just another way of =3D saying,=3D20 "Well, I don't have to hold that heavy hymnal anymore!"&nbsp; I think =3D it's a=3D20 good idea, but when are we going to stop catering to the wants of the=3D20 people?&nbsp; I know worship is supposed to be a joint thing, but isn't = =3D the=3D20 pastor supposed to be the leader?&nbsp; I really like tradition, and, =3D well,=3D20 church isn't tradition anymore.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Josh=3D20 Edwards</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D550103813-21072001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3D3Den-us dir=3D3Dltr =3D align=3D3Dleft><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DTahoma size=3D3D2>-----Original = Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=3D20 pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] <B>On Behalf Of =3D </B>Alan=3D20 Freed<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 21, 2001 9:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Perils of Pianos in=3D20 church<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><B>From: =3D </B>Myosotis51@aol.com<BR><B>Subject:=3D20 </B>Re: Perils of Pianos in church<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT face=3D3DArial>At the church where my = =3D son attends=3D20 in California they project the words and <BR>when a hymn is up =3D there, the=3D20 singing, in my opinion, is just plain better.=3D20 <BR></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial><BR></FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D3D#0000a0><FONT=3D20 face=3D3D"Comic Sans MS">Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in = =3D the=3D20 hymnals, and voices <BR>project.....</FONT></FONT> <BR><BR><BR>You're = =3D right,=3D20 of course. &nbsp;But I'm a bit concerned about the folks who like to =3D read=3D20 through the hymns during the prelude (or even earlier) each Sunday.=3D20 &nbsp;And/Or meditate on them during communion. &nbsp;I think that you = =3D ought=3D20 to provide hymnals in the pews even IF you project the words on the =3D wall as=3D20 well. &nbsp;(Which I've never seen done, but it strikes me as a bit =3D odd.=3D20 &nbsp;And we couldn't do it anyway; our walls are occupied with other = =3D things:=3D20 &nbsp;windows, paintings, gilt, stencilwork, an organ, banners,=3D20 etc.)<BR><BR>Alan </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000B_01C111C9.4CDAF040--    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:06:48 EDT   Since certain verses of Psalms 150 are being used ..... how about verse 6......."Let everything that hath breath praise the Lord." Yes, yes,..... I know " The organ breathes." Well, I have yet to hear it draw a breath. Air blows through the pipes. <G> And still requires a = living person to play it. I believe the Psalmist meant people. I also think the Psalmist meant to praise the Lord with everything. (that includes pianos. <G>)   Van        
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:24:03 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C111C6.E21AF9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   MessageI've stayed out of this, but the whole thread is getting silly. = =3D It seems absurd that some of the very same people that advocate piano = =3D proficiency for all organists turn around and blast the presence of the = =3D piano in the church. As was pointed out earlier, the majority of churches in this country = =3D are protestant, small and "low church". When our country was a mostly =3D rural population many church meetings had only plainsong, pianos or a =3D pump organ. The pipe organ was for the "rich churches" in the larger =3D towns. (this is pre 1950's). After the proliferation of electronics, =3D then many churches bought organs and added it to the service. As for projecting the words. If you take the view that the =3D congregation should worship with, spirit, mind, and body, the projected = =3D words allow this. If you have a free style of worship then people are =3D allowed (or encouraged) to raise their hands in praise (tough to do when = =3D holding a hymnal). Video also allows the introduction of hymns or =3D choruses that may not be in the hymnal (certain denominational hymnals =3D eliminate some wonderful hymns because of personal preference of the =3D editors.). One of the big complaints of some RC priests I have worked =3D with is that the congregation doesn't sing. Again, the idea of the =3D congregation being an active participant in worship is a "new" concept. Sorry for the rant   Jeff Korns http://members.home.net/jakorns/   P.S. Anything can become "tradition" if it is done for a long enough =3D period of time.     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C111C6.E21AF9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've stayed out of this, but the whole thread is =3D getting=3D20 silly.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems absurd that some of the very =3D same=3D20 people that advocate piano proficiency for all organists turn around and = =3D blast=3D20 the presence of the piano in the church.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As was pointed out earlier, the = =3D majority of=3D20 churches in this country are protestant, small and "low church".&nbsp; =3D When our=3D20 country was a mostly rural population many church meetings had only =3D plainsong,=3D20 pianos or a pump organ.&nbsp; The pipe organ was for the "rich churches" = =3D in the=3D20 larger towns.&nbsp; (this is pre 1950's).&nbsp; After the proliferation = =3D of=3D20 electronics, then many churches bought organs and added it to the=3D20 service.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for projecting the =3D words.&nbsp; If you=3D20 take the view that the congregation should worship with, spirit, mind, =3D and body,=3D20 the projected words allow this.&nbsp; If you have a free style of =3D worship then=3D20 people are allowed (or encouraged) to raise their hands in praise (tough = =3D to do=3D20 when holding a hymnal).&nbsp; Video also allows the introduction of =3D hymns or=3D20 choruses that may not be in the hymnal (certain denominational hymnals =3D eliminate=3D20 some wonderful hymns because of personal preference of the =3D editors.).&nbsp; One=3D20 of the big complaints of some RC priests I have worked with is that = the=3D20 congregation doesn't sing.&nbsp; Again, the idea of the congregation =3D being an=3D20 active participant in worship is a "new" concept.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Sorry for the rant</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Jeff Korns<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://members.home.net/jakorns/">http://members.home.net/jakorns= =3D /</A></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>P.S. Anything can become "tradition" if it is done = =3D for a long=3D20 enough period of time.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0030_01C111C6.E21AF9A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:31:50 -0500   I didn't make myself clear. What I meant is, that when they sung the = hymns they sounded better than the praise songs. All of the music is projected = on the screen during the first part of the service.   They project a mix of praise songs and hymns. During the hymns they also can use the hymn books if they like.   I agree that the voice does project better when the nose is not buried in the book.   Luther -----Original Message----- From: <Myosotis51@aol.com>     In a message dated 7/20/01 6:18:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lmelby@prtel.com writes:     At the church where my son attends in California they project the words and when a hymn is up there, the singing, in my opinion, is just plain better.     Perhaps that way all the noses aren't buried in the hymnals, and = voices project.....    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church and the fat lady. From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:20:00 EDT   Hi Cindy:   I do think that the Bossendorfer is over rated especially when it in fact takes the place of the organ. The pop genre promoted by televangeleist stations doesn't help either with the fat lady singing, and a praise band behind. Jazzy reditions, and pop music really seem out of place. Of course, I too like tradition, and this new jazzy approach leaves me cold. It's entertainment thinly veiled as worship. It's sort of look at me at = the Bossendorfer, ain't I great! To put it bluntly, God is put in the position of having to share with the fat lady. I don't find that uplifting at all.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Pianos, the south, etc. From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:55:59 EDT   Bud writes:   - - - - - - - - - - - -   Sorry, Jim, I have to disagree. I grew up in a Southern mining town of = 2000 souls. There were four organs ... 1 pipe, 3 not. But ALL those churches = had traditional music, and choirs.   When I was 12, we moved to a neighboring town of 12,000 people ... 6 pipe organs; I never bothered to count the "nots" (grin) ... again, traditional music, choirs, etc.   The neighboring "big" town (Lakeland, Fl) had more pipe organs than you = could shake a stick at ... many were three-manual; at least two of the jobs were full-time. The "downtown" Episcopal church maintained a Solemn High Mass = with choir, at least from September through May. (snip) - - - - - - - - - - -   Nor would I contradict your statement, Bud. My error appears to be in lumping Texas in with the <south> as we are more correctly defined as <southwest>. If I remember my high school geography, Florida boasts the oldest city in the USA so you folks had a wee bit of a head start on us = cow punchers in population and landscape development. (I have never punched a =   cow; did kick a dog as a child) :)   My disclaimer that geographics would skew evaluations (as suggested by Sebastian) are borne out in our dissimilar observations. The Texas = landscape was developed(?) by agrarians who concentrated on farming and ranching. = This resulted in a very sparse per capita population, widely scattered. The <community> church was small and not well supported financially. For = many, the piano was the only instrument available and affordable with many of = these being <gifts or donations> from a member.   Urban churches were the antithesis of the above, as were rural communities =   with prominent Lutheran and Catholic influence. It was not at all unusual = to find organs in these rural churches, albeit reed organs, but organs, nonetheless. Despite these exceptions, the most numerous of non-urban churches were evangelical Protestants. They were small in membership, frugal in finances, and relied heavily on = the piano.   Organs began to appear in these small, rural churches in the post-WWII = era. It would be interesting to know how many electronic spinets found their = way into these country churches as their first organ. Urban sprawl and urban flight have resulted in many family farms becoming subdivided into residential areas and many of these once small community churches have = grown in equal proportion. Many of them now have decent organs and it is = becoming more of a novelty to find a church without one than is the contrary. = Prior to these influences, however, the piano was the primary (if not the only) instrument to lead in music in small, rural churches.   If I may take this liberty, Bud, to comment on your post about youth:   (snip) >I can tell you plainly what happened in OUR house if anyone questioned my >parents' edicts on ANYTHING, *including* religion:   >"AS LONG AS YOU LIVE UNDER *MY* ROOF, AND PUT YOUR FEET UNDER >*MY* = TABLE, YOU'LL >GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, AND EAT WHAT'S SERVED."   >End of discussion, followed by a smart slap upside the head, if you were lucky >to get off so lightly. << (snip)   Obviously, our parents are from the same cut of cloth. :)   Jim Pitts        
(back) Subject: Re: Pianos, the south, etc. From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:13:33 -0400       Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote:   > Bud writes: > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > (I have never punched a > cow; did kick a dog as a child) :) >   You had better hope it wasn't a Beagle, Bud! :-)    
(back) Subject: Re: Pianos, the south, etc. From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 09:29:57 -0700   I didn't do it; it was Wurlibird1 (grin).   Bud, who would NEVER kick a dog ... our house has always been a refugium omnium for stray dogs, cats, people, etc. (grin)   Mike Gettelman wrote:   > Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > > Bud writes: > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > (I have never punched a > > cow; did kick a dog as a child) :) > > > > You had better hope it wasn't a Beagle, Bud! :-) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:49:01 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3078564542_10175784_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Subject: Re: Perils of Pianos in church   One of the big complaints of some RC priests I have worked with is that = the congregation doesn't sing. Again, the idea of the congregation being an active participant in worship is a "new" concept.   Alan adds: ". . . in those circles."     Sorry for the rant     No need to apologize; we chat easily here. You make sense.   Alan     --MS_Mac_OE_3078564542_10175784_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Perils of Pianos in church</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <B>From: </B>&quot;Jeffery Korns&quot; &lt;jakorns@home.com&gt;<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Perils of Pianos in church<BR> <BR> One of the big complaints of some RC priests I have worked with is that = the=3D congregation doesn't sing. &nbsp;Again, the idea of the congregation = being =3D an active participant in worship is a &quot;new&quot; concept.<BR> <BR> Alan adds: &nbsp;&quot;. . . in those circles.&quot;<BR> <BR> <BR> Sorry for the rant<BR> <BR> <BR> No need to apologize; we chat easily here. &nbsp;You make sense.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3078564542_10175784_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pianos, the south, etc. From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 12:51:25 -0400   Most Sorry Bud, Got mixed up about who wrote what. It is that cow puncher Wurli who = will have to answer to the "Pet Hoomin" from "Howling Acres" :-)   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I didn't do it; it was Wurlibird1 (grin). > > Bud, who would NEVER kick a dog ... our house has always been a refugium > omnium for stray dogs, cats, people, etc. (grin) > > Mike Gettelman wrote: > > > Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Bud writes: > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > > > (I have never punched a > > > cow; did kick a dog as a child) :) > > > > > > > You had better hope it wasn't a Beagle, Bud! :-) > >