PipeChat Digest #2257 - Monday, July 23, 2001
 
RE: projecting only the text
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: projecting only the text
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Black Beauty -- again...
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
participation materials (somewhat off-topic)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: projecting only the text
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Projections, was Re: Perils of Pianos in church
  by "Anthony V Marchesano" <anthonym@bestweb.net>
Re: participation materials (somewhat off-topic)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: projecting only the text
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: participation materials (somewhat off-topic)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Richard Proulx (X-posted)
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: Richard Proulx (X-posted)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: projecting only the text From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:03:17 -0400   --------------------------------------------------------------- > Are you saying that they project only the text, and not the music? >   Yes, Alan, only text is projected. I have never seen music projected anywhere, at least in a service/mass/eucharist/whatever.   Neil Brown -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Neil and Alan, this is just an extension of the concept of the church evolving away from = mimeograph machines to computers. They started making bulletins into = service programs just short of a Reader's Digest. Oh, let's put the whole = liturgy in the bulletin because people can't follow the hymnal. Then it migrated to printing the words to all the hymns in the = bulletin so they don't have to reach for a hymnal. Now, all they have to = do is just stand there like stupid sheep and read without holding = anything!   We had a pastor just outside of Baltimore that had this brilliant idea = back in the early 80's. He wanted everything in the bulletin. You know = what his excuse or reasoning was? If we have a visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal and people = can't read music anyway!   It's all part of the dumbing down of America! Let's do everything to the = lowest common denominator! Wayne    
(back) Subject: Re: projecting only the text From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:25:44 EDT     --part1_21.ec2d84b.288d8de8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/23/2001 7:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:     > If we have a visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal and people = can't > read music anyway! >   Which to some extent is true. Having readings and helps in the bulletin = IS helpful. But even if a person cannot read a lick of music, they at least = can see how the notes go and move their voices accordingly.   Having the liturgy IN the bulletin is especially helpful to folks like = myself who do not know where to find it in the worship books, prayer books, etc. = At Old St.Paul's in BAltimore, they even printed the scripture texts in the bulletin. I found it to be more worshipful and less fumbling.   There is a fine line between being helpful and dumbing down.   I do not feel that projected texts necessarily aid in singing. Yes, the heads are up, but the voices are not. And yet, in our own informal = service, the singing has mushroomed beautifully in the last year (dead space, live people, projected words on very horrible transparencies). We don't do it = as first rate as I would like, but at least we do it legally.   While this seems, at first glance to be not about organ, it is about our = task of making worship music. I have enjoyed this series of threads.   Neil Brown Toms River NJ USA   --part1_21.ec2d84b.288d8de8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 7/23/2001 7:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">If we have a = visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal and people can't <BR>read music anyway! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Which to some extent is true. &nbsp;Having readings and helps in the = bulletin IS <BR>helpful. &nbsp;But even if a person cannot read a lick of music, they = at least can <BR>see how the notes go and move their voices accordingly. <BR> <BR>Having the liturgy IN the bulletin is especially helpful to folks like = myself <BR>who do not know where to find it in the worship books, prayer books, = etc. &nbsp;At <BR>Old St.Paul's in BAltimore, they even printed the scripture texts in = the <BR>bulletin. &nbsp;I found it to be more worshipful and less fumbling. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR>There is a fine line between being helpful and dumbing down. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I do not feel that projected texts necessarily aid in singing. = &nbsp;Yes, the <BR>heads are up, but the voices are not. &nbsp;And yet, in our own = informal service, <BR>the singing has mushroomed beautifully in the last year (dead space, = live <BR>people, projected words on very horrible transparencies). &nbsp;We = don't do it as <BR>first rate as I would like, but at least we do it legally. <BR> <BR>While this seems, at first glance to be not about organ, it is about = our task <BR>of making worship music. &nbsp;I have enjoyed this series of threads. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Toms River NJ USA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.ec2d84b.288d8de8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Black Beauty -- again... From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:28:06 EDT   A few weeks ago there were several inquiries about Black Beauty - the = Rodgers touring organ which was used by Virgil Fox. At the time I listed Harry Littman as the person who bought the organ after it was retired from = touring. Harry has sent the attached paragraph and asked me to share it with the list. ----------- Thank you for the copy of comments regarding Beauty. I certainly would be delighted to communicate with anyone who wants to regarding her. I miss the stories. In this last publication of the Clarion publication, someone has donated the schematics of Beauty to the Virgil Fox society. Very interesting from a historical point, but I can assure everyone that it would be useless in actual usage. The changes and maintenance required over the years were never updated. Jason Grable of Rodgers who did the installation at my home was the first of many to run new wiring all over the place to make it work properly. ------- Harry's address is harry@coronetleather.com  
(back) Subject: participation materials (somewhat off-topic) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:44:30 -0700   We have this discussion from time to time ... I'm in favour of printing every word and every note of the liturgy in the bulletin (except maybe the hymns ... we only sing three, and there's ample time to hunt for them ... also, they're posted on the hymn board); I win on big days when there are lots of visitors; the Rector doesn't feel it's necessary the rest of the time.   Our normal service-bulletin prints all the parts of the service that AREN'T in the Prayer Book or the Hymnal (the Propers, etc.); he HAS requested that I prepare a service-booklet with all the words, and music of the ORDINARY, so that people could use that to follow the Mass, and only have to pick up the hymnal for the three hymns. They would still have to use the bulletin to read the Propers, if they wanted to ... or they could just listen to the choir chant them.   That, of course, would mean at least four different service-booklets, since we change settings of the Ordinary seasonally.   For a liturgical church, I don't think there IS an ideal solution ... printing EVERYTHING is labour-intensive, and expensive. All Saints' in Pasadena does that, albeit on rather unwieldly unfolded 8 1/2 x 11 sheets with one staple in the upper left corner ... Mass there is accompanied by the racket of a thousand people turning pages (grin).   As much as I hate to admit it, an argument CAN be made for sticking to a few Ordinaries that the congregation can easily MEMORIZE, unless you have a VERY well-trained congregation that's accustomed to flipping around in the hymnal or a service-booklet. Mine's GETTING there, but they still gripe at having to juggle Prayer Book, Hymnal, service bulletin and (on ordinary days) the music insert with the Ordinary. And WE do the OLD liturgy, so they have THAT mostly memorized (grin).   I think that eventually we WILL have to print everything in an integrated bulletin, if we want to preserve what we do AND be able to bring new people into it with a minimum of fuss.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach    
(back) Subject: RE: projecting only the text From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:22:24 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1138B.4685F2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   How I used to teach the congregation new hymns was to introduce one every now and then but play it for a month. If it was a seasonal hymn most = seasons (lent, advent, eg) are at least 4 weeks. If it was general then it was no problem although it could be boring 4 weeks in a row but how else does one teach the congregation a new hymn other than to rehearse it before mass!! But then you have to rely on folks being there early and deal with the constant comings a goings that take place before the mass begins. If = they're not lighting candles or are in deep meditation or personal prayer they battling the kids or gossiping. Anyway, that was my method. -----Original Message----- From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:26 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: projecting only the text     In a message dated 7/23/2001 7:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wgvideo@attglobal.net writes:         If we have a visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal and people = can't read music anyway!         Which to some extent is true. Having readings and helps in the bulletin = IS helpful. But even if a person cannot read a lick of music, they at least can see how the notes go and move their voices accordingly.   Having the liturgy IN the bulletin is especially helpful to folks like myself who do not know where to find it in the worship books, prayer books, etc. At Old St.Paul's in BAltimore, they even printed the scripture texts in the bulletin. I found it to be more worshipful and less fumbling.   There is a fine line between being helpful and dumbing down.   I do not feel that projected texts necessarily aid in singing. Yes, the heads are up, but the voices are not. And yet, in our own informal = service,   the singing has mushroomed beautifully in the last year (dead space, live people, projected words on very horrible transparencies). We don't do it = as   first rate as I would like, but at least we do it legally.   While this seems, at first glance to be not about organ, it is about our task of making worship music. I have enjoyed this series of threads.   Neil Brown Toms River NJ USA   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1138B.4685F2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D971331815-23072001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>How I used to teach the congregation new hymns was to introduce one every now and = then but play it for a month. If it was a seasonal hymn most seasons (lent, advent, = eg) are at least 4 weeks. If it was general then it was no problem although it = could be boring 4 weeks in a row but how else does one teach the congregation a = new hymn other than to rehearse it before mass!! But then you have to rely on = folks being there early and deal with the constant comings a goings that take = place before the mass begins. If they're not lighting candles or are in deep meditation or personal prayer they battling the kids or gossiping. Anyway, = that was my method.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 23, 2001 10:26 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: projecting = only the text<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>In a message dated 7/23/2001 7:07:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>wgvideo@attglobal.net writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">If we have a visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal = and people can't <BR>read music anyway! <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Which to = some extent is true. &nbsp;Having readings and helps in the bulletin IS <BR>helpful. = &nbsp;But even if a person cannot read a lick of music, they at least can <BR>see = how the notes go and move their voices accordingly. <BR><BR>Having the liturgy IN = the bulletin is especially helpful to folks like myself <BR>who do not know = where to find it in the worship books, prayer books, etc. &nbsp;At <BR>Old = St.Paul's in BAltimore, they even printed the scripture texts in the <BR>bulletin. = &nbsp;I found it to be more worshipful and less fumbling. &nbsp; <BR><BR>There is = a fine line between being helpful and dumbing down. &nbsp; <BR><BR>I do not feel = that projected texts necessarily aid in singing. &nbsp;Yes, the <BR>heads are = up, but the voices are not. &nbsp;And yet, in our own informal service, <BR>the = singing has mushroomed beautifully in the last year (dead space, live <BR>people, projected words on very horrible transparencies). &nbsp;We don't do it as <BR>first rate as I would like, but at least we do it legally. = <BR><BR>While this seems, at first glance to be not about organ, it is about our task = <BR>of making worship music. &nbsp;I have enjoyed this series of threads. = <BR><BR>Neil Brown <BR>Toms River NJ USA</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1138B.4685F2D0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Projections, was Re: Perils of Pianos in church From: "Anthony V Marchesano" <anthonym@bestweb.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:51:41 -0400   >> Are you saying that they project only the text, and not the music? >Yes, Alan, only text is projected. I have never seen music projected >anywhere, at least in a service/mass/eucharist/whatever.     Well do they at least include the bouncing ball ?   --Tony <ducking>      
(back) Subject: Re: participation materials (somewhat off-topic) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:36:10 EDT     --part1_33.183e89cc.288dc89a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/23/01 10:43:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I'm in favour of printing > every word and every note of the liturgy in the bulletin (except maybe > the hymns ... we only sing three, and there's ample time to hunt for > them ... also, they're posted on the hymn board); I win on big days when > there are lots of visitors; the Rector doesn't feel it's necessary the > rest of the time. >   I think this is a terrible waste of paper. There is no reason for people = to have the words to things they do not say. They need to listen to what = is spoken and respond to THAT. Most people know the service (which should = not change whimsically from week to week) by memory. The readings should = not be printed, people should listen to them as they listen to the sermon. = It's diverts people's attention from the service and causes added distraction = and noise.   Full narratives of the service should be available for newcomers, but = those regulars should be able to get through the service without a book.     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_33.183e89cc.288dc89a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/23/01 10:43:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm in favour of = printing <BR>every word and every note of the liturgy in the bulletin (except maybe <BR>the hymns ... we only sing three, and there's ample time to hunt for <BR>them ... also, they're posted on the hymn board); I win on big days = when <BR>there are lots of visitors; the Rector doesn't feel it's necessary the <BR>rest of the time. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I think this is a terrible waste of paper. &nbsp;&nbsp;There is no = reason for people to <BR>have the words to things they do not say. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They need = to listen to what is <BR>spoken and respond to THAT. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Most people know the = service (which should not <BR>change whimsically from week to week) by memory. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The = readings should not <BR>be printed, people should listen to them as they listen to the sermon. = &nbsp;&nbsp;It's <BR>diverts people's attention from the service and causes added = distraction and <BR>noise. <BR> <BR>Full narratives of the service should be available for newcomers, but = those <BR>regulars should be able to get through the service without a book. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_33.183e89cc.288dc89a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: projecting only the text From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:59:08 EDT     --part1_44.108e18e2.288dcdfc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/23/01 11:23:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > How I used to teach the congregation new hymns was to introduce one = every > now and then but play it for a month. If it was a seasonal hymn most >   I think people in general are smarter than they are given credit for. I never remember being "taught" hymns as a child. We just sang hymns in worship. Occasionally there was a new one, but it would re-appear occasionally and eventually become part of our repertoir or was forgotten. = I really don't think there is such a need to teach people everything. People deserve more credit for their intelligence than that.   This is especially true of many contemporary hymns and songs. Once = through something like Eagles Wings or Here I Am, Lord and the tune is permanently =   embedded, like it or not! Other contemporary hymns (Peter Cutts, Christ =   Upon the Mountain Peak for instance) can be taught until your blue in the face and no one will be able to sing it.   Worship is a time to worship, not go to "class". Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_44.108e18e2.288dcdfc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/23/01 11:23:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">How I used to teach the congregation new hymns was to introduce one = every <BR>now and then but play it for a month. If it was a seasonal hymn most <BR>seasons (lent, advent, eg) are at least 4 weeks. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I think people in general are smarter than they are given credit for. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I <BR>never remember being "taught" hymns as a child. &nbsp;We just sang = hymns in <BR>worship. &nbsp;Occasionally there was a new one, but it would = re-appear <BR>occasionally and eventually become part of our repertoir or was = forgotten. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>I really don't think there is such a need to teach people everything. = &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>People deserve more credit for their intelligence than that. <BR> <BR>This is especially true of many contemporary hymns and songs. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Once through <BR>something like Eagles Wings or Here I Am, Lord and the tune is = permanently <BR>embedded, like it or not! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Other contemporary hymns = (Peter Cutts, Christ <BR>Upon the Mountain Peak for instance) can be taught until your blue in = the <BR>face and no one will be able to sing it. <BR> <BR>Worship is a time to worship, not go to "class". <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_44.108e18e2.288dcdfc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: participation materials (somewhat off-topic) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:41:34 -0700     --------------5A1B324FAE4BA6468094F297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Different mindset, Bruce ... first of all, we have hearing and sight-impaired parishioners; second, we were taught to come early and read the lessons and use them as part of our meditation and preparation for Holy Communion, AND to pray the priest's prayers (even the Secreta) with him silently.   Now, granted, after a half-century I DO have most of that memorized, even some of the Collects of the Day, but not all. *I* need to see the Epistle and Gospel to know when to play the Gradual and the responses.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 7/23/01 10:43:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > > >> I'm in favour of printing >> every word and every note of the liturgy in the bulletin (except >> maybe >> the hymns ... we only sing three, and there's ample time to hunt for >> >> them ... also, they're posted on the hymn board); I win on big days >> when >> there are lots of visitors; the Rector doesn't feel it's necessary >> the >> rest of the time. > > I think this is a terrible waste of paper. There is no reason for > people to > have the words to things they do not say. They need to listen to > what is > spoken and respond to THAT. Most people know the service (which > should not > change whimsically from week to week) by memory. The readings > should not > be printed, people should listen to them as they listen to the > sermon. It's > diverts people's attention from the service and causes added > distraction and > noise. > > Full narratives of the service should be available for newcomers, but > those > regulars should be able to get through the service without a book. > > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------5A1B324FAE4BA6468094F297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Different mindset, Bruce ... first of all, we have hearing and = sight-impaired parishioners; second, we were taught to come early and read the lessons and use them as part of our meditation and preparation for Holy Communion, AND to pray the priest's prayers (even the Secreta) with him silently. <p>Now, granted, after a half-century I DO have most of that memorized, even some of the Collects of the Day, but not all. *I* need to see the Epistle and Gospel to know when to play the Gradual and the responses. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 7/23/01 10:43:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>quilisma@socal.rr.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I'm in favour of printing</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>every word and every = note of the liturgy in the bulletin (except maybe</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>the hymns ... we only = sing three, and there's ample time to hunt for</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>them ... also, they're = posted on the hymn board); I win on big days when</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>there are lots of = visitors; the Rector doesn't feel it's necessary the</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>rest of the = time.</font></font></blockquote> <font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>I think this = is a terrible waste of paper.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no reason for people = to</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>have the words to things they do not say.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; They need to listen to what is</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>spoken = and respond to THAT.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people know the service (which should = not</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>change = whimsically from week to week) by memory.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The readings should = not</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>be = printed, people should listen to them as they listen to the sermon.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>diverts = people's attention from the service and causes added distraction = and</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>noise.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Full = narratives of the service should be available for newcomers, but = those</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>regulars = should be able to get through the service without a book.</font></font></font> <br>&nbsp; <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------5A1B324FAE4BA6468094F297--      
(back) Subject: Richard Proulx (X-posted) From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:53:52 -0400   I've lost track of him: alive? Still associated with Holy Name? Retired? ?   Thanks in advance, Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Proulx (X-posted) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:11:26 EDT     --part1_105.69975a2.288e253e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   As of 2 years ago, he was alive. He graded my improvisation tape for the = AGO Improv Competition.   Neil B   --part1_105.69975a2.288e253e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>As of 2 years ago, he was alive. &nbsp;He graded my improvisation = tape for the AGO <BR>Improv Competition. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_105.69975a2.288e253e_boundary--