PipeChat Digest #2258 - Tuesday, July 24, 2001 Re: Richard Proulx (X-posted) by "Noel Stoutenburg" <email@example.com> Re printing liturgy by "Wayne Grauel" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Re printing liturgy by "Jim" <email@example.com> Re: projecting only the text by "Jeff White" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: projecting only the text by "Jeff White" <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Proulx (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:17:42 -0500 Stan Yoder asked about Richard Proulx: > I've lost track of him: alive? Still alive, last I heard, and at a school in Wisconsin, the name of which escapes me. Retired from Holy Name Cathedral, though, several years ago, = as I recall....
(back) Subject: Re printing liturgy From: "Wayne Grauel" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:48:25 -0400 I guess putting it in perspective helps... I attended an Episcopal service and had to play one in Towson, and I will = admit that I needed someone to ride shotgun for me The first time I sat = through an Episcopal liturgy, I was about as lost as you can get... why? = Here's this little tiny book with all words and no music, and I'm expected to sing! I think the Episcopal Church has it = hands down for mental telepathy required. The Lutheran services are really pretty easy to follow, As long as you = start on the right page, everything pretty much follows in order until = you're done. I guess I should clarify exactly what I was referring to... Keep in mind that these were printed bulletins with the entire liturgy but = only the words, not a note of music. This isn't what you can get today = with everything on a CD. Now you can get the music on the page, that's = not bad, in fact, it's easy because all I need is the bulletin up there and the hymns, I wasn't being clear about what I was = expressing What really bothered me most about all of that was, the church was = constantly fishing on the premise that "we need to make it easy for people = who aren't Lutherans". I've heard about enough of that for one lifetime. = Gee, I should go to the local Brethren Church and expect them to have a liturgy just so I'll feel right at home! That's probably the = thing that has stuck with me about it the most. It wasn't about us, it = was about someone who might walk in. I think many of you Lutherans, be it = WELS, (sp?) LCMS or ELCA, will agree that some of these Pastors out there need to have their heads examined! If you're in a church = that has not lost its identity, say your prayers and Thank God. OK... = I'm done! Wayne
(back) Subject: Re: Re printing liturgy From: "Jim" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:25:30 -0500 My sentiments exactly Wayne. Did you read last month's Lutheran Witness? = I am ready to go back completely to either TLH or LW, I do not care which. Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Grauel" <email@example.com> To: "PipeChat" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:48 PM Subject: Re printing liturgy > I guess putting it in perspective helps... > > The Lutheran services are really pretty easy to follow, As long as you start on the right page, everything pretty much follows in order until you're done. > > the church was constantly fishing on the premise that "we need to make = it easy for people who aren't Lutherans". I've heard about enough of that = for one lifetime. Gee, I should go to the local Brethren Church and expect = them > to have a liturgy just so I'll feel right at home! prayers and Thank = God. OK... I'm done! > Wayne > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com >
(back) Subject: Re: projecting only the text From: "Jeff White" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:07 -0500 > Hi Neil and Alan, > this is just an extension of the concept of the church evolving away = from mimeograph machines to computers. They started making bulletins into service programs just short of a Reader's Digest. Oh, let's put the whole liturgy in the bulletin because people can't follow the > hymnal. Then it migrated to printing the words to all the hymns in the bulletin so they don't have to reach for a hymnal. Now, all they have to = do is just stand there like stupid sheep and read without holding anything! > We had a pastor just outside of Baltimore that had this brilliant idea back in the early 80's. He wanted everything in the bulletin. You know what his excuse or reasoning was? > If we have a visitor they don't know how to use the hymnal and people can't read music anyway! Wayne, with due respect, this is a little harsh. Imagine, if you would, = the inexperienced churchgoer coming in for the first time. They have this service folder in one hand, and then have to find the liturgy on PAGE 158 = in the hymnal (not to be confused with HYMN 158), then have to go back and forth between them. I think this pastor has a valid point, although we = make a point of printing the music. Augsburg made it nice by producing a CD = with the music GIFs on them. Also, I wouldn't go as far as saying that they'd = be standing there like stupid sheep. The pastor I work for had a good point that it gets people looking UP instead of having their faces down in the program. Frankly, I couldn't care less if it's projected, all in the hymnal, or a combination of booklets thereof. But, I've also been going = to church for all of my life, so I am "with the program." Respectfully, Jeff
(back) Subject: Re: projecting only the text From: "Jeff White" <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:51:20 -0500 Wayne...as usual, I replied before reading the rest of my messages. Hopefully I'm not the only one to do this. So, please be aware I saw the other postings you made...and yes, I think the music should be printed. = As Neil(?) pointed out, it helps to see the voice line go up and down...I = know that's how I learned to sing before I actually started reading the notes. Jeff