PipeChat Digest #2267 - Friday, July 27, 2001
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #2257 - 07/23/01
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>   Re: unbelievable
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2257 - 07/23/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 23:59:34 EDT     --part1_74.db67d1f.28924126_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 7/26/01 10:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RJAYWILL@aol.com writes:     > Christ Upon the Mountain Peak would be much > easier to teach any congregation than something like City of God,   Holy cow. The over 65 mass at my previous RC parish blew the roof off with this song. I would wager that the average congregation would pick = this up after two verses and refrains. It is just too easy, logical and foot-stomping not to work. If people can't sing it and there was a = cantor around, therein lies the problem!!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_74.db67d1f.28924126_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 7/26/01 10:09:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RJAYWILL@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Christ Upon the = Mountain Peak would be much <BR>easier to teach any congregation than something like City of God, = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Holy cow. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The over 65 mass at my previous RC = parish blew the roof off <BR>with this song. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would wager that the average = congregation would pick this <BR>up after two verses and refrains. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is just too easy, = logical and <BR>foot-stomping not to work. &nbsp;&nbsp;If people can't sing it and = there was a cantor <BR>around, therein lies the problem!!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_74.db67d1f.28924126_boundary--  
(back) Subject: > Re: unbelievable From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 02:21:16 EDT     --part1_bf.1177d8c2.2892625c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This is a hot subject among churches and church musicians these days. = Rather than adding my 2-cents-worth, I am recommending a book to anyone truly interested in worship.   Stones for Bread A Critique of Contemporary Worship   By Daniel Frankforter published by Westminster John Knox Press. Louisville KY ISBN 0-664-22284-6 (pbk)   From the jacket...   With a provocative and engaging style, Daniel Frankforter explores the consequences of the tendency by many Protestant congregations to adopt new = < contemporary> styles of worship. With membership and attendance declining, =   many churches are revamping their worship services to attract or keep participants, but too often adaptation becomes nothing more than a Spirit-less reflection of popular culture. <Stones for Bread> presents = come of the different programs for <marketing> worship, clarifies the = implications for the integrity of a church s mission and spiritual life, and proposes = some alternative means for rejuvenating worship.   Here is a short quotation from Chapter 1   <Pressure is building on congregations to fabricate easily marketed facsimiles of worship--to buy amplifiers, hire rock bands, outfit clergy = with clothing from the Gap, substitute amateur theatricals for exegetical = sermons, scrap sacraments in favor of support groups, and jettison troubling = biblical texts for the smarmy cream of pop poetry.>   .... In short -- to offer our congregations stones for bread.   Its not a breezy summertime read, but neither is it esoteric or long, and well worth the effort to digest. When you are finished, pass it on to your =   clergy if you dare.   Larry L. Wheelock aka Larry-by-the-lake (Michigan, that is) Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55       --part1_bf.1177d8c2.2892625c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">This is a hot subject among churches and = church musicians these days. Rather <BR>than adding my 2-cents-worth, I am recommending a book to anyone truly =   <BR>interested in worship. <BR> <BR>Stones for Bread <BR>A Critique of Contemporary Worship <BR> <BR>By Daniel Frankforter <BR>published by Westminster John Knox Press. Louisville KY <BR>ISBN 0-664-22284-6 (pbk) <BR> <BR>From the jacket... <BR> <BR>With a provocative and engaging style, Daniel Frankforter explores the =   <BR>consequences of the tendency by many Protestant congregations to adopt = new &lt; <BR>contemporary&gt; styles of worship. With membership and attendance = declining, <BR>many churches are revamping their worship services to attract or keep <BR>participants, but too often adaptation becomes nothing more than a <BR>Spirit-less reflection of popular culture. &lt;Stones for Bread&gt; = presents come <BR>of the different programs for &lt;marketing&gt; worship, clarifies the = implications <BR>for the integrity of a church s mission and spiritual life, and = proposes some <BR>alternative means for rejuvenating worship. <BR> <BR>Here is a short quotation from Chapter 1 <BR> <BR>&lt;Pressure is building on congregations to fabricate easily marketed =   <BR>facsimiles of worship--to buy amplifiers, hire rock bands, outfit = clergy with <BR>clothing from the Gap, substitute amateur theatricals for exegetical = sermons, <BR>scrap sacraments in favor of support groups, and jettison troubling = biblical <BR>texts for the smarmy cream of pop poetry.&gt; <BR> <BR>... In short -- to offer our congregations stones for bread. <BR> <BR>Its not a breezy summertime read, but neither is it esoteric or long, = and <BR>well worth the effort to digest. When you are finished, pass it on to = your <BR>clergy if you dare. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">Larry L. Wheelock aka Larry-by-the-lake (Michigan, that is) <BR>Organist <BR>Conductor <BR>Composer <BR>Kenwood United Methodist Church <BR>Milwaukee, WI <BR>Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_bf.1177d8c2.2892625c_boundary--