PipeChat Digest #2273 - Tuesday, July 31, 2001
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #2272 - 07/30/01
  by <NEBibleReg@aol.com>
Mendelssohn in July
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: >   Re: unbelievable
  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Why not?( Continuation?)
  by "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net>
Re: Mendelssohn in July
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Why not?( Continuation?)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Re: unbelievable
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Mendelssohn in July
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: update
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Van Nuys (CA) High School Organ
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2272 - 07/30/01 From: <NEBibleReg@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:42:45 EDT   Many, many thanks to all who supplied the Latin translation for my = request. It is truly nice to be a member of this vastly knowledgeable list and = receive the kind help. Benedictus! Paul  
(back) Subject: Mendelssohn in July From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 07:38:08 -0500     --------------9AA976ADE02DC3685E6C231D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   We picked Mendelssohn simply because the program was built around the Hear our Prayer. We needed more to fill the 30 min - and since the postlude series for summer is "Marching Through the Summer" - we decided to frame = the program with the 2 marches. No one else wanted to do any of the other = solos or piano works, so I filled out the program with the organ sonata = movements.   Our next 5th Sunday concert is in Sept and will be based on Psalms. Congregational stuff from the psalter, choral works, solos, instrumental works, etc. We have a HUGE stack to pick from - this one will be hard to keep down to 30 min.   Margo   Pat Maimone wrote:   > Dear Margo, > > Looks like a wonderful postlude/concert/dinner. If I were anywhere > near you and not playing for a Bach Fest service this Sunday, I would > certainly be present! > > Thanks for posting. How did you happen to pick Mendelssohn? His > birthday is in early February.. > Enjoy! > > Pat Maimone >   --------------9AA976ADE02DC3685E6C231D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> We picked Mendelssohn simply because the program was built around the Hear our Prayer.&nbsp; We needed more to fill the 30 min - and since the = postlude series for summer is "Marching Through the Summer" - we decided to frame the program with the 2 marches.&nbsp; No one else wanted to do any of the other solos or piano works, so I filled out the program with the organ sonata movements. <p>Our next 5th Sunday concert is in Sept and will be based on = Psalms.&nbsp; Congregational stuff from the psalter, choral works, solos, instrumental works, etc.&nbsp; We have a HUGE stack to pick from - this one will be hard to keep down to 30 min. <p>Margo <p>Pat Maimone wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>Dear Margo, <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Looks like a wonderful = postlude/concert/dinner.&nbsp; If I were anywhere <br>near you and not playing for a Bach Fest service this Sunday, I would <br>certainly be present! <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for posting. How did you happen to pick Mendelssohn? His <br>birthday is in early February.. <br>Enjoy! <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Pat Maimone <br><a href=3D"mailto:requests@pipechat.org"></a>&nbsp;</blockquote> </html>   --------------9AA976ADE02DC3685E6C231D--    
(back) Subject: Re: > Re: unbelievable From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:19:07 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C118D0.4D3EA5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Thanks Larry, I am going after it tonight. However, we as organists =3D have got to do more to try and keep the traditional services, =3D subsequently, the organs in church. =3D20   I once had a minister tell me that if I played something to which people = =3D could relate, they would listen and the music would be more meaningful =3D to all involved. =3D20   I have found this to be very true. If I play the pieces that are big on = =3D technique, there are very few people who appreciate them. However, if I = =3D play hymns, and there are plenty, that are well-known and use an improv, = =3D I seem to get compliments.   While my congregation has not remained totally with the liturgy straight = =3D from the hymnal, it has remained conservative and rejected the =3D modernized approach.   Jim H ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: LLWheels@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:21 AM Subject: > Re: unbelievable=3D20     This is a hot subject among churches and church musicians these days. = =3D Rather=3D20 than adding my 2-cents-worth, I am recommending a book to anyone truly = =3D   interested in worship.=3D20   Stones for Bread=3D20 A Critique of Contemporary Worship=3D20   By Daniel Frankforter=3D20 published by Westminster John Knox Press. Louisville KY=3D20 ISBN 0-664-22284-6 (pbk)=3D20     Larry L. Wheelock aka Larry-by-the-lake (Michigan, that is)=3D20 Organist=3D20 Conductor=3D20 Composer=3D20 Kenwood United Methodist Church=3D20 Milwaukee, WI=3D20 Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55=3D20       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C118D0.4D3EA5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks Larry, I am going after it =3D tonight.&nbsp;=3D20 However, we as organists have got to do more to try and keep the =3D traditional=3D20 services, subsequently, the organs in church.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I once had a minister tell me that if = I =3D played=3D20 something to which&nbsp;people could relate, they would listen and the =3D music=3D20 would be more meaningful to all involved.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have found this to be very =3D true.&nbsp; If I play=3D20 the pieces that are big on technique, there are very few people who =3D appreciate=3D20 them.&nbsp; However, if I play hymns, and there are plenty, that are =3D well-known=3D20 and use an improv, I seem to get compliments.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>While my congregation has not = remained =3D totally with=3D20 the liturgy straight from the hymnal, it has remained conservative and =3D rejected=3D20 the modernized approach.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim H</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DLLWheels@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:LLWheels@aol.com">LLWheels@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 27, 2001 =3D 1:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> &gt; Re: unbelievable = =3D </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DUnivers size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">This is a hot subject among churches and church = =3D musicians=3D20 these days. Rather <BR>than adding my 2-cents-worth, I am recommending = =3D a book=3D20 to anyone truly <BR>interested in worship. <BR><BR>Stones for Bread =3D <BR>A=3D20 Critique of Contemporary Worship <BR><BR>By Daniel Frankforter =3D <BR>published=3D20 by Westminster John Knox Press. Louisville KY <BR>ISBN 0-664-22284-6 =3D (pbk)=3D20 <BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DUnivers color=3D3D#000000 = =3D size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Larry L. Wheelock aka Larry-by-the-lake =3D (Michigan, that is)=3D20 <BR>Organist <BR>Conductor <BR>Composer <BR>Kenwood United Methodist =3D Church=3D20 <BR>Milwaukee, WI <BR>Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 =3D III/55</FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DBimini color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> =3D <BR></FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DBimini color=3D3D#ff0000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0031_01C118D0.4D3EA5A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Why not?( Continuation?) From: "Jim" <bald1@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 08:27:55 -0500   No way, I ain't going to play when they do that, weddings or funerals. I can be just as hard headed as they can. Any service is the Lord's and not the brides, the families or anyone else who wants to stake claim to it. = It belongs to God.   Therefore, all music ought to praise Him.   Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Why not?( Continuation?)     > Hi Dennis: > > And your major point of the day is................? > > Ron > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn in July From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:21:38 EDT   When did "Hear MY Prayer" get switched to "Hear OUR Prayer"? Just curious.  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not?( Continuation?) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:32:43 EDT   Dear Jim:   You are 100% right, and when we go there, we are 100% right too. It's a service to God, not man! No one has the right to hijack a service.   Ron Severin     St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: Re: unbelievable From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:20:52 EDT     --part1_bc.18124280.2896f174_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       > I once had a minister tell me that if I played something to which people =   > could relate, they would listen and the music would be more meaningful = to > all involved.   Yes and no. Worship is essentially offering our gifts to God. We are technically ministering before God. In some ways (don't carry this too = far) the person in the pew is an eavesdropper. Yes we are seeking to lead the =   person into worshiping God him- or herself, but I'm not altogether = convinced we must always cater to what THEY relate to.   Tickling the itching ears only works so far. In fact, it was warned about = in Scripture. I would rather we be concerned with offering authentic, spirit-filled, yet reverent worship experiences (this is not about style, here) where the Word of God is upheld, where music is well done, and where =   people can meet the Lord.   My personal view is that if whatever we play or sing or say or read is properly prepared, is well thought out (i.e., does it fit the liturgical needs of the day), and is sensitively performed, the person in the pew = will accept it as a gift offered to the glory of God.   Neil Brown Toms River NJ   --part1_bc.18124280.2896f174_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I once had a = minister tell me that if I played something to which people <BR>could relate, they would listen and the music would be more meaningful = to <BR>all involved. &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Yes and no. &nbsp;Worship is essentially offering our gifts to God. = &nbsp;We are <BR>technically ministering before God. &nbsp;In some ways (don't carry = this too far) <BR>the person in the pew is an eavesdropper. &nbsp;&nbsp;Yes we are = seeking to lead the <BR>person into worshiping God him- or herself, but I'm not altogether = convinced <BR>we must always cater to what THEY relate to. <BR> <BR>Tickling the itching ears only works so far. &nbsp;In fact, it was = warned about in <BR>Scripture. &nbsp;I would rather we be concerned with offering = authentic, <BR>spirit-filled, yet reverent worship experiences (this is not about = style, <BR>here) where the Word of God is upheld, where music is well done, and = where <BR>people can meet the Lord. <BR> <BR>My personal view is that if whatever we play or sing or say or read is =   <BR>properly prepared, is well thought out (i.e., does it fit the = liturgical <BR>needs of the day), and is sensitively performed, the person in the pew = will <BR>accept it as a gift offered to the glory of God. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Toms River NJ</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bc.18124280.2896f174_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn in July From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:29:10 -0500   Hmmmm - sharp eyes - I never even noticed - We have My in the programs and = Our on the flyers. Oh, well - yours, mine, ours - they got the message.   DudelK@aol.com wrote:   > When did "Hear MY Prayer" get switched to "Hear OUR Prayer"? Just = curious. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: update From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:02:06 -0400       On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 17:05:25 -0500 "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> writes: > Hi Listers- >   > As an aside, someone asked about playing for divorces. Might I > suggest > +ACI-So Long, It's Been Good To Know You+ACI-. > > Bless you-all, and keep playing. > > Rick > >"I'm gonna wash that man right out of my hair" ???? (Rogers/Hammerstein)  
(back) Subject: Van Nuys (CA) High School Organ From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 04:52:21   Good Evening, Pipechatters! Below are a series of emails regarding the pipe organ at Van Nuys High School in Van Nuys, CA, starting with the post to the list from Bill Hesterman about a couple of high school pipe organs being renovated in the =   LA area.   >From: OrganMD@aol.com >Subject: Re: High School Organs >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:36:31 EDT >Hi All...... >Austin Organs, Inc. is at this time under contract to restore the 39 rank =   >E.M. Skinner at Hollywood High School and the 20 rank California organ >Co.,instrument at Van Nuys High School. >Bill Hesterman   >From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: High School Organs - Van Nuys High School >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:08:16 > >Hello List - >It's wonderful to hear that these two organs are being restored. My >mother and her two sisters attended Van Nuys High School in the 1930's, = and >I believed that the sisters (my aunts) played the organ. (I will contact >the one aunt still living to see if she or Dora played >it.) >David Carter-By-The-American-River in hot Sacramento.   >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> >To: "Barbara Wight" <> >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:17 AM >Subject: FW: Re: High School Organs - Van Nuys High School > >Dear Aunt Barbara: >I subscribe to a couple of internet mailing lists that have to do >with pipe organs. I've included below a posting to the list and my >response to it. Am I correct in stating that both you and Aunt Dora = played >the pipe organ at Van Nuys High School? >David   >-----Original Message----- >From: Barbara Wight [] >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:49 AM >To: David Carter >Subject: Re: Re: High School Organs - Van Nuys High School >David: you are right. Doraa had at least 3 years of pipe organ >instruction at Van Nuys High School. Because of the huge earthquake in = So. >Calif. in 1933 our high school auditorium and administration building = were >condemned. Dora played the organ in 1934, the year she graduated, the = last >time it was played. The administration building was rebuilt with the >auditorium in a separate wing. The organ was reinstalled in 1937, and I >played the organ part of a piano and organ duet for the FEbruary = graduation >of my class in 1938. As the organ settled in its new location, I was >fighting problems--I believed they were called cyphers--until the day of >graduation. I can't tell you >the name of the composition but Arlene Muray played the piano in that = duet. > I may still have my high school graduation program somewhere ?? >For your info: Dora was "Dora Elizabeth Oltmann" and my full name was >Barbara Janette Oltmann. While we were growing up, there was Morton = Organ >Company in Van Nuys and one of our neighbors on Hamlin Street was a >woodworker named Reidler who worked for the organ company. >If I remember correctly, the organ factory was on Van Nuys Blvd. = somewhere >near Kester Street--going toward Sherman Oaks area. >BEcause the high school organ wasn't available for most of my senior >semester, I practiced organ at our MEthodist Episcopal Church (it was a >small pipe organ made by Estey) and the church was located at Tyrone and >Sylvan Streets. >Well--you really started the old nostalgia remembrances flowing. = >Thanks. >Aunt Bar   >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> >To: "Barbara Wight" <> >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:58 AM >Subject: RE: Re: High School Organs - Van Nuys High School > >Aunt Barbara: >May I share this info with the mailing list? ("Net-iquette requires that = I >ask your permission before I repost your email.) >Thanks, David   >-----Original Message----- >From: Barbara Wight [] >Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:56 AM >To: David Carter >Subject: Re: Re: High School Organs - Van Nuys High School > >David: It's all right to use this information. I believe our grade = cards >would reflect at least Dora's organ activity. I can't remember if I >received credit for the single semester I was able to take organ lessons. >Dora was a member of the June graduating class of 1934 and I graduated = with >the class of FEbruary 1938. >Keep me in touch with any further developments. I believe the organ >teacher at the high school's name was Sayre--can't remember his frist = name. >I don't know if Van Nuys High School is still a part of the Los Angeles >SChool System, but I do know that we were exposed to music appreciation >throughout our school years, plus the standard music groups of choral, >orchestral, and band. Your mother (formerly Mary Ellen Oltmann) played >second violin in the All City High School Orchestra. >Don't get me started on nostalgic tales. Good luck! >Aunt Barbara       _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp