PipeChat Digest #2156 - Thursday, June 14, 2001
 
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted, 2
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: French Composer Anecdotes Wanted............
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
informality at concerts
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
A Treasure from JAV Recordings
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Pontificale Romanum ... HELP!! (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: french composer anecdotes wanted
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: informality at concerts
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
electronic info needed
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Hammond 820165 info
  by "Daryel Nance" <DNance@svdp-edu.org>
Re: It's a good thing I like swimming in the blender (grin)(X-posted)
  by "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com>
Re: electronic info needed
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Hammond 820165 info
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 02:27:46 -0700 (PDT)   I certainly am in the same world you are, Bob. Gillian Weir would never dress up in a beret and wave a croissant in the air as a prelude to playing Frenc music. I do concede the one exception: when she wore a t-shirt and played a Wurlitzer at the AGO national in Denver. But that was the last night and generally features this sort of spoof.   Again, I feel that organists would be better off resorting to great playing of marvelous repertoire to attract audiences. You want to have people come and hear you play? Generate lots of publicity in your local papers, radio stations etc. If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor Borge. See the difference?   --- Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> wrote: > Lighten up Jackson! I seem to remember several > performers clowning > their way into considerable fame and fortune. That > they were concert > artists in their own right is beyond argument. > And "not accepted as a legitimate concert > instrument"? You are talking > about the organ aren't you? I wonder if you are in > the same world as I > am? > Bob Elms. > > "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote: > > This has nothing to do with enjoying life, but > rather > > illustrates why the organ is not always accepted > as a > > legitimate concert instrument by the rest of the > > musical world. No concert pianist of violinist > would > > ever think of resorting to such antics during a > > recital. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:23:21 -0400   At 02:27 AM 6/14/2001 -0700, Jackson R. Williams II wrote: >If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor Borge. >See the difference? Yup. One of them is well known and loved by average people.   Ever wonder if "serious" (*snicker*) basketball players ever act this way about the Harlem Globetrotters? What is the sound of one lip frowning? If the tree in the forest falls on a whoopee cushion, does that =   change the answer? Where's the coffee??? lol   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Arno Schuh" <arno.schuh@in-trier.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:49:17 +0200   Dear Jenny, somewhere I read an anecdote that when Theodore Dubois played his "Marche des Rois Mages" (March of the three kings) at Sainte-Madeleine, Paris, for the very first time, Aristide Cavaille-Coll was in the audience. In this piece Dubois used as a special effect a little weight on the b''. This = stady tone symbolizing the star of Bethlehem. When Cavaille-Coll heared this = tone he runs up to the organ to fix the problem.   I hope I remembered this anecdote correctly.   Greetings   Arno      
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:21:30 -0400           > At 02:27 AM 6/14/2001 -0700, Jackson R. Williams II wrote: > >If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor Borge. > >See the difference? >   > Adrianne Schutt wrote:   Yup. One of them is well known and loved by average people.   > > Ever wonder if "serious" (*snicker*) basketball players ever = act > this way about the Harlem Globetrotters? What is the sound of one lip > frowning? If the tree in the forest falls on a whoopee cushion, does = that > change the answer? Where's the coffee??? lol > > Have fun! > Ad ;-> > > Mike replies:   Not long ago I started a thread on this list concerning using "concert remarks" and the issue was bounced back and forth like this one, = with Mr. Williams taking the more stern viewpoint there too. He is obviously = quite proud of the organ as a serious classical instrument and wants to see such performances treated with the same traditional respect and dignity that = other symphonic or chamber music concerts enjoy. I wonder though, if in this age of seemingly endless styles of entertainment, if we can afford to adopt such a universal attitude of = strict adherence to traditional concert poise, yet still create enough interest = to sustain a large audience for organ concerts. I personally like the format recently adopted at Severance Hall of pre-concert programs before organ performances. It shows their acknowledgment of the need for educating = their audiences about the organ, yet retains the dignified presentation of the actual performance. And, by the way, there IS laughter heard at these pre-concert programs. I heard it from behind the facade at the May 31 = concert. Those who abhor such indignity simply need not attend the pre-concert.   Sincerely Mike Gettelman      
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:01:40 +0800   No I don't. Victor Borge was a concert pianist in his own right as also were Anna Russell (singer)and plenty of others. It doesn't hurt to raise a laugh sometimes.   "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote: > > I certainly am in the same world you are, Bob. Gillian > Weir would never dress up in a beret and wave a > croissant in the air as a prelude to playing Frenc > music. I do concede the one exception: when she wore > a t-shirt and played a Wurlitzer at the AGO national > in Denver. But that was the last night and generally > features this sort of spoof. > If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor Borge. > See the difference? > >    
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:55:20 -0700 (PDT)   Listen folks, just for the record, I think a pre-concert talk is just fine. I also think that comments during a recital are also okay. That is not what I am against. If one is doing a "fun" concert such as July 4 or Halloween, then I think it is great to dress up and clown around. I'm not against that sort of thing at all. In fact, I enjoy those kind of prgramsn as well. I just feel that a French program, which is in a more serious mode, deserves to let the music sell itself rather than some guy dressed up like Pierre the Baker, speaking in a ridiculous accent and waving a baguette in the air. He might as well sing "Every Little Breeze Reminds Me of Louise" like Maurice Chevailer.   --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > At 02:27 AM 6/14/2001 -0700, Jackson R. Williams > II wrote: > > >If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor > Borge. > > >See the difference? > > > > > Adrianne Schutt wrote: > > Yup. One of them is well known and loved by > average people. > > > > > Ever wonder if "serious" (*snicker*) > basketball players ever act > > this way about the Harlem Globetrotters? What is > the sound of one lip > > frowning? If the tree in the forest falls on a > whoopee cushion, does that > > change the answer? Where's the coffee??? lol > > > > Have fun! > > Ad ;-> > > > > Mike replies: > > Not long ago I started a thread on this > list concerning using > "concert remarks" and the issue was bounced back and > forth like this one, with > Mr. Williams taking the more stern viewpoint there > too. He is obviously quite > proud of the organ as a serious classical instrument > and wants to see such > performances treated with the same traditional > respect and dignity that other > symphonic or chamber music concerts enjoy. > I wonder though, if in this age of > seemingly endless styles of > entertainment, if we can afford to adopt such a > universal attitude of strict > adherence to traditional concert poise, yet still > create enough interest to > sustain a large audience for organ concerts. I > personally like the format > recently adopted at Severance Hall of pre-concert > programs before organ > performances. It shows their acknowledgment of the > need for educating their > audiences about the organ, yet retains the dignified > presentation of the > actual performance. And, by the way, there IS > laughter heard at these > pre-concert programs. I heard it from behind the > facade at the May 31 concert. > Those who abhor such indignity simply need not > attend the pre-concert. > > Sincerely > Mike Gettelman > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted, 2 From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:58:18 -0700 (PDT)   Just wanted to also add that I don't think anything is wrong with humorous anecdotes either. But lose the costume and accent. It's completely unnecessary.   --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > At 02:27 AM 6/14/2001 -0700, Jackson R. Williams > II wrote: > > >If you want to be Victor Borge, then be Victor > Borge. > > >See the difference? > > > > > Adrianne Schutt wrote: > > Yup. One of them is well known and loved by > average people. > > > > > Ever wonder if "serious" (*snicker*) > basketball players ever act > > this way about the Harlem Globetrotters? What is > the sound of one lip > > frowning? If the tree in the forest falls on a > whoopee cushion, does that > > change the answer? Where's the coffee??? lol > > > > Have fun! > > Ad ;-> > > > > Mike replies: > > Not long ago I started a thread on this > list concerning using > "concert remarks" and the issue was bounced back and > forth like this one, with > Mr. Williams taking the more stern viewpoint there > too. He is obviously quite > proud of the organ as a serious classical instrument > and wants to see such > performances treated with the same traditional > respect and dignity that other > symphonic or chamber music concerts enjoy. > I wonder though, if in this age of > seemingly endless styles of > entertainment, if we can afford to adopt such a > universal attitude of strict > adherence to traditional concert poise, yet still > create enough interest to > sustain a large audience for organ concerts. I > personally like the format > recently adopted at Severance Hall of pre-concert > programs before organ > performances. It shows their acknowledgment of the > need for educating their > audiences about the organ, yet retains the dignified > presentation of the > actual performance. And, by the way, there IS > laughter heard at these > pre-concert programs. I heard it from behind the > facade at the May 31 concert. > Those who abhor such indignity simply need not > attend the pre-concert. > > Sincerely > Mike Gettelman > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:00:11 +0800   OK Jackson I'll accept that point which was well put. I have never seen it happen at an organ recital but I did see some clown play a horn concerto using a brass mouthpiece stuck in the end of a length of garden hose and a tin funnel. The audience rolled in the aisles! Bob E.   "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote: > > Listen folks, just for the record, I think a > pre-concert talk is just fine. I also think that > comments during a recital are also okay. That is not > what I am against. If one is doing a "fun" concert > such as July 4 or Halloween, then I think it is great > to dress up and clown around. I'm not against that > sort of thing at all. In fact, I enjoy those kind of > prgramsn as well. I just feel that a French program, > which is in a more serious mode, deserves to let the > music sell itself rather than some guy dressed up like > Pierre the Baker, speaking in a ridiculous accent and > waving a baguette in the air. He might as well sing > "Every Little Breeze Reminds Me of Louise" like > Maurice Chevailer. > > --- Mike Gettelman <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > >    
(back) Subject: Re: French Composer Anecdotes Wanted............ From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:17:22 EDT     --part1_113.4af431.285a2172_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Jackson, lighten up. Relax. Do you believe in having fun? I feel I'm = going to have to resurrect my poll of "What organ stop does your dog sound = like?" just to make everybody laugh again (I really enjoyed the responses, it was = a lot of FUN!!!)   Dennis R.   --part1_113.4af431.285a2172_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jackson, lighten up. = &nbsp;Relax. &nbsp;Do you believe in having fun? &nbsp;I feel I'm going <BR>to have to resurrect my poll of "What organ stop does your dog sound = like?" &nbsp; <BR>just to make everybody laugh again (I really enjoyed the responses, it = was a <BR>lot of FUN!!!) &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Dennis R. </FONT></HTML>   --part1_113.4af431.285a2172_boundary--  
(back) Subject: informality at concerts From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:20:07 -0700   Like it or not, we don't inhabit the same world as the 1950s. One of the side effects of the upheavals of the 1960s was to forever break down the kind of rigid formalism that surrounded LOTS of things ... the government, the Church, the arts, societal interaction in general. Whether this was good or bad will have to be decided by historians, many years hence. But there it is, and we have to live with it.   FWIW, symphony orchestras are having the same debate, if indeed they haven't already concluded that they have to change, or die. Most younger people, when asked why they don't attend classical music concerts, point to the solemn atmosphere, the uncomfortable clothes, incomprehensible foreign languages, etc. etc. etc.   Does any of that ring a bell with us church musicians? (grin)   I don't know what the answer is, at least as far as the Church itself is concerned. The mega-churches are packing 'em in with what (to me, at least) appear to be motivational speakers in the context of a rock concert. OTOH, the US is littered with large empty buildings, mute testimony to other religious phenomena that have come and gone.   I have substantial philosophical, political, and other differences with the conservative RC and Anglican movements, but there is this to be said for them: they hung on, and now people are coming back. Both were supposed to die out when the generation that lived through the changes (RCs in the 1960s, Anglicans in the 1970s) died out; instead, they are both flourishing. The Latin Mass at St. Mary's in Huntington Beach is standing-room-only; we're in the midst of building a $2.5M facility, the first phase of an extensive building program.   As far as organ concerts, does anybody else remember Catherine Crozier in sun bonnet and high-button shoes playing Dudley Buck's Variations on "Annie Laurie" (?) on a HAMMOND at the Dallas AGO National in 1972 (grin)?   Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach, trying to wake up to go sing a solo High Mass on this, the Feast of Corpus Christi        
(back) Subject: A Treasure from JAV Recordings From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:27:53 -0400   Dear Friends (and enemies) on the list,   http://www.pipeorgancds.com/   Pull that rusty credit card out while you Dream about organ music that you never heard before.   Trust me on this one..   You HAVE to have it in Any collection of organ recordings.   '1929 Skinner Organ - Opus 783 Residence Player Organ at Elm Court Butler, Pennsylvania   Thank you Joe..     ...for this gift to all of us.   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:40:05 -0700   >No concert pianist of violinist would >ever think of resorting to such antics during a >recital. Neither should the organist. It's about >time we take our art seriously and leave the >foolishness at home.   >Great playing of great repertoire makes a much more >positive, artistic statement for the organ than some >guy standing in front of an audience talking in a >ridiculous parody of a French accent.   Two words -- Victor Borge. You can't deny he was every bit a concert pianist, yet he had FUN, too.   Two more -- Virgil Fox. Again, a concert ORGANIST who had lots of fun!   God help us if we lose the ability to laugh and have fun while basking in the glorious music of the organ.     Now, to the subject at hand:   Story goes there was some nameless French organist of well regard who had = to deal with a "progressive" priest. The priest decided there would be no = more elaborate organ masses -- just a few well timed responses. Our hero said "uh-huh, right" or whatever the French say like that. The next Sunday = mass, he went to the loft, taking special care to lock the door. At the = appointed time, he began to play his planned organ mass, start to finish, as always, with total disregard to what the progressive priest had said or was doing. And of course, with a locked door, he was not disturbed.   I'm sorry I don't know who or where that happened, or what the final = outcome was -- maybe someone else can fill in the details.   Dennis        
(back) Subject: Pontificale Romanum ... HELP!! (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:40:35 -0700   If anybody has a copy of the Pontificale Romanum in Latin, I need a copy of the following rites:     Blessing of a Corner-Stone   Blessing of an Altar-Stone   Blessing of a Church Building (if there's a rite distinct from Solemn Consecration ... I don't remember ... the interim church won't be solemnly consecrated)   Consecration of a Church     Be happy to pay for postage or (preferably) fax long-distance charges, and copying.     Cheers,   Bud-By-The-Beach            
(back) Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:45:38 -0700     Ahhh -- Actually, J.W. it's "Every Little Breeze Seems to Whisper Louise." ;-) Patty B-bach   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 6:55 AM Subject: Re: french composer anecdotes wanted     > Listen folks, just for the record, I think a > pre-concert talk is just fine. I also think that > comments during a recital are also okay. That is not (snip) > waving a baguette in the air. He might as well sing > "Every Little Breeze Reminds Me of Louise" like > Maurice Chevailer. >        
(back) Subject: Re: informality at concerts From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:47:02 -0500   Not being a classical concert artist -but (forgive me) an artist in the theatre organ vein, I personally see no harm in a little jocularity = between artist and audiance. For one thing, it sure melts the icy formality, and = if not over done can be quiet a plus.   For symphonic-o-philes I hear on NPR quite often live concerts where the conductor and audiance warm up to each other which leads to an enjoyable evening.   Rock on!   Rick    
(back) Subject: electronic info needed From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:56:28 -0400   Dear people,   I was given a Kimball L102 electronic. Just for fun I'm trying to get it going. Any idea or website where I could go for some specific advice?   Thanks in advance,   John V      
(back) Subject: Hammond 820165 info From: "Daryel Nance" <DNance@svdp-edu.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:18:40 -0500   Hi All,   Has anyone had any experience with the Hammmond 820165 (32 pedals - "institutional" model) as a practice "banger"? Is it non-tone wheel? Can = it take use or was it a "lemon" with respect to durability? Time period of construction was what? Are parts available? Am I correct in assuming that nothing will be as durable as one of the old tone wheel models?   Thanks in advance, Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, Houston           Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, Houston mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org; www.dompaulbenoit.com; www.church-organist.com; www.daryeln.com   "...the only ones among you who will really be happy are those who sought and found how to serve." Albert Schweitzer   "There are more things in heaven and hell, Horatio, than are dreampt in your philosophy." Hamlet; Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford ;->   "Our task is to free ourselves from the delusion of separateness, to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature." Albert Einstein    
(back) Subject: Re: It's a good thing I like swimming in the blender (grin)(X-posted) From: "W.D.\"Bill\" Babcock" <wdbabcock@msn.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:20:05 -0500   Bud--Being older and greyer sure beats the alternative: being dead AND = BALD ;-) Bill     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: organchat <organchat@egroups.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: It's a good thing I like swimming in the blender (grin)(X-posted)     > I almost got frapped and fricasseed AGAIN ... it seems that it cost $30K > for the construction change orders for the balcony, to make it capable > of supporting the pipe organ. > > HELLO! > > *Who* has been BEGGING for FOUR YEARS for a pipe organ to be included in > the plans for the new church??!! > > Why, li'l old me, that's who (grin). > > It wasn't until three days before the construction bids came BACK that > we GOT the pipe organ ... all of a sudden, we had to make the balcony > strong enough so that the organ wouldn't come crashing down into the > parish hall below. > > SURPRISE! (grin) > > I'm forebearing to say "I TOLD you so." But only just. > > Fortunately, the final appeal for the Building Fund netted enough to > cover it. So I'm only "semi" in hot water. The Rector is muttering "cost > overruns" (grin). But he's only muttering. > > Now, if we'll just sign the contract for the REBUILD before I'm any > older or any grayer ... but this is a good sign ... they didn't spend > $30K on floor joists to have Allen speakers up there (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud-by-the-Beach > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: electronic info needed From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:35:59 -0500   I noticed two posts today asking questions about electronic organs including a Hammond. If you are not aware there is a list for Electronic Organs that is a "sister" list to this one. It is called EORG-L. To subscribe to it send a posting to <requests@pipechat.org> with the following in the first line of the message:   Subscribe EORG-L your name   That will put you on that list and there are many knowledgeable people on it who can answer your questions.   David [Owner of Pipechat and EORG-L]  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond 820165 info From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:16:51 -0700   Daryel - I THINK that's a slightly older version of my 825, judging from = the serial number. If so, it is NOT a tonewheeler, and the electronics are = real bottom-feeders. I brought ours home after we got the Allen, and it's OK = for a practice banger. If you have to BUY it, don't pay more than $500 ... they = have NO resale value, as I discovered when I tried to sell ours (grin).   A four-channel external Leslie GREATLY improves the sound ... ours had a = plug for one ... I presume the earlier ones did too. Used four-channel Leslies = run $500-$800, depending on the part of the country and the condition.   They were made briefly by the Japanese company that held Hammond for a = short time BEFORE Suzuki bought it ... maybe 10-15 years ago. Parts are NOT available, no matter what Hammond/Suzuki may tell you initially ... they = told us they WERE; then when we went to order them, they were "permanently out = of stock."   Durability ... who knows? Ours is very unreliable, but the strange things = it does can mostly be cured by just shutting it off, waiting a minute, and = then turning it on again to make the computer reboot. So that doesn't matter = for a practice organ ... it mattered a great DEAL in the middle of High Mass = (grin).   The console IS AGO, and rather comfortable, though the key touch is light = (but not as light as a tonewheeler) ... there's no way to tighten the manual = keys, but the pedals CAN be stiffened by tightening the screws.   Cheers,   Bud   Daryel Nance wrote:   > Hi All, > > Has anyone had any experience with the Hammmond 820165 (32 pedals - > "institutional" model) as a practice "banger"? Is it non-tone wheel? Can = it > take use or was it a "lemon" with respect to durability? Time period of > construction was what? Are parts available? Am I correct in assuming = that > nothing will be as durable as one of the old tone wheel models? > > Thanks in advance, > Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, Houston > > Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, Houston > mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org; > www.dompaulbenoit.com; www.church-organist.com; www.daryeln.com > > "...the only ones among you who will really be happy are those who > sought and found how to serve." Albert Schweitzer > > "There are more things in heaven and hell, Horatio, > than are dreampt in your philosophy." Hamlet; > Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford ;-> > > "Our task is to free ourselves from the delusion of separateness, to > embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature." Albert Einstein > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org