PipeChat Digest #2173 - Thursday, June 28, 2001
 
Re: Bach Toccata & Fugue in d (SERIOUS)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Looking for........
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Toccata and Fugue in D minor(And Bruce Prince Joseph)
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bach Toccata & Fugue in d (SERIOUS) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:47:00 -0700   Nobody said anything about playing it on one registration ... I was playing a VERY mediocre Balcom & Vaughn ... I made at least TWO manual changes and THREE registration changes.   BUT, if one is playing an organ with a finely-voiced plenum, AND one knows how to phrase and articulate MUSICALLY, playing a fugue straight through without manual or registration changes can be a real revelation.   Cheers,   Bud   "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote:   > To John Q. Public, an entire lengthy fugue played on > one registration (which seems to be the prevelant mode > of performance these days), is boring. > > --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > Nope, sorry, Jackson ... Bach fugues are only boring > > if the PLAYER is > > boring. > > > > I ended my senior recital with the Toccata AND FUGUE > > in F Major, which was > > heresy at the time ... NOBODY played that fugue, > > seemingly. But I found in > > later years I played the fugue FAR more often than > > the toccata. > > > > I usually play "popular" and "accessible" literature > > in church; but in > > THIS case, if they don't like fugues, let 'em eat > > counter-subjects (grin). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud-By-The-Beach > > > > "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote: > > > > > --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > Another idea is a concert of "The Great > > > > Fugues of Bach," thereby > > > > AVOIDING the stigma of that work that continues > > to > > > > plague us in our quest to > > > > be taken seriously. > > > > > > Whereas I normally agree with Sebastian's highly > > > intelligent and informed comments, I think it > > would be > > > the worst possible idea to play a concert of > > fugues. > > > Have you ever watched an audience during a > > performance > > > of a fugue? Massive yawning, attention > > wandering--in > > > short, it is the musical form, academic in nature, > > > that most alienates an audience. > > > JW > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for........ From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:09:22 -0500       Bob North wrote:   > AT family gatherings years ago, we would stand around the piano and sing > the 'old' songs, one of which was "On the Road to Mandalay" . This was > written by Rudyard Kipling with music by Oley Speaks. I recently went > through some old music I had stored and found just the cover sheet for = that > song, all the other sheets have gone missing. Does anyone know where = one > might find a copy of such an old song?   Go to your local library with as much information as you have available, = and request it via interlibrary loan. I've had very good success with that method....   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Toccata and Fugue in D minor(And Bruce Prince Joseph) From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:31:52 -0500   At 6:41 AM -0700 6/27/01, Jackson R. Williams II wrote: >Thirdly, Widor was in fact in his 80's when he made >that recording and it was difficult for him to play >that work up to speed with the manuals coupled at >Saint Sulpice. Also, he took into account the almost >10 second reverberation. The Toccata is highly >effective and exciting at a quicker tempo. You might >want to read the two recent biographies of Widor that >have come out in the past 7 years.   I'm sorry Jackson but check the tempo of that recording against the MM markings in the score - he is playing it at exactly the speed which it is marked to be played. I studied that Symphonie with my teacher who was a student of Widor's. And I was taught to play it much slower than most people play it. It turns into a very stately piece at the CORRECT tempo.   Since I am at the OHS Convention i don't have access to my various copies of the 5th Symphonie but will be more than willing to check the tempo markings again when i get home. And more importantly than the biographies of Widor there is available a critical edition of the Symphonies which shows the CORRECT tempo to be exactly what i have in the score my teacher used when he studied with Widor and also is the tempo on the recording.   David