PipeChat Digest #2183 - Saturday, June 30, 2001
 
Re: IRC - It's Friday!
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Allen Protoge'
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Allen Protege
  by "Dan Gawthrop" <Gawthrop@dunstanhouse.com>
Bach Prelude & Fugue in d (was re: Bach Toccata & Fugue in d [SERIOUS])
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Allen Protege
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Strange Preludes...
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Baltimore Question (xpost)
  by <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com>
Re: Allen Protege
  by <Mozart609@aol.com>
Re: Allen Protege
  by "Kenneth LaFleur" <lafleur@pivot.net>
Re: Strange Preludes...
  by "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com>
strange preludes
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: IRC - It's Friday! From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 06:34:56 -0500   To follow up on these couple of IRC posts that have appeared in the last couple of days i just want to remind folks that this is one of the "normal" nights for the PipeChat IRC group.As usual the chatting begins at 9:00 PM EASTERN time. Instructions for how to connect, for those that have never tried it before, are available at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Some of the people that are normally part of the group are travelling back to their homes from North Carolina following the OHS Convention which ended last night but at least in my case I will be connecting, at least for a short period, from where ever we end up tonight on our drive back to Little Rock.   Looking forward to "seeing" some of you tonight on IRC.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Protoge' From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:07:10 EDT   Bud advises:   >That IS their bottom-of-the-line, so to speak. If it's the littlest >self-contained one, it ain't much (grin). The bigger ones are better.<<   Thanks for the info, Bud. The unit in question IS self-contained but = remote speakers have been added. I guess for a funeral chapel it is adequate. = My experience with Allen's has been more positive than yesterday's = experience.   Jim P.  
(back) Subject: Allen Protege From: "Dan Gawthrop" <Gawthrop@dunstanhouse.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:09:44 -0400   > Today I played a funeral service at a local chapel. The organ is a new Allen > Protoge'. Surely this is the economy model for Allen, right? Now I am not > bashing Allen's as I have played many of them over the years and = consider > them to be excellent pipeless organs. But today I was, shall we say, > underwhelmed with the Protoge'. > > Can someone who is knowlegable about new Allen's provide some info on = this > model? I found nothing impressive about the Protoge'. > > Jim Pitts >   There are a number of Protege models at the economy end of the line (AP-2, AP-3, C-6, C-12, AP-15, AP-18, AP-31 and AP-35) and they will be far less impressive than the Renaissance models at the other end, particularly if they've been installed without external speakers. Did the instrument you played have the shortened pedal sharps? Only the two very smallest organs (the models AP-2 and AP-3) use those. From the next model up (the C-6) things (especially the sounds) begin to improve quite dramatically. For my money NONE of these instruments should ever be heard without external speakers and specifically the newest models of much improved speaker cabinets called Herald.   Prices, of course, reflect these things!   Dan Gawthrop Composer   Gawthrop@DunstanHouse.com    
(back) Subject: Bach Prelude & Fugue in d (was re: Bach Toccata & Fugue in d [SERIOUS]) From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:27:06 -0400   Greetings, Pipechatters!   This thread on Bach Preludes and Fugues reminds me that Robert Plimpton played the Prelude and Fugue in D Minor at his recital on the Spreckles Organ last week at Balboa Park for the AGO's Region IX San Diego convention. The outdoor audience (including c. 225 convention registrants) listened very attentively to the entire work. The artist, who was given a certificate as well as the title Organist Emeritus at this event, gave oral program notes to the crowd about the composition.   As of now, I do not remember if Sebastian identified the D Minor Prelude as one without pedals, but that is the case. I shall look up the BWV (Bach Werke Verzeichnis) of this one with the "Fiddle Fugue" later today.   Just back from AGO Region II in Binghamton, and with only one cup of coffee this warm morning in the east,   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller console/Gress-Miles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Protege From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:28:28 -0400   Dear Dan, I have to agree with you as to the need for external speakers on the = AP series. I think part of the cost cutting measures that Allen used with the AP Series was the reduction in amplification and speakers. I played both = the AP-19 and the C-12(model numbers?) and I thought that my analog Custom IV from 1970 sounded better. MY Analog has three 100 Watt amps and the usual complement of huge boxes, two reeds, one flute gyro, one diapason and two bass; one for each division with four 15" speakers in each. These are all = on the far wall of my living room (music room?? or room of noise LOL) I would love to hear a mid range AP attached to that amplification system. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Gawthrop" <Gawthrop@dunstanhouse.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Allen Protege     > > Today I played a funeral service at a local chapel. The organ is a = new > Allen > > Protoge'. Surely this is the economy model for Allen, right? Now I = am > not > > bashing Allen's as I have played many of them over the years and consider > > them to be excellent pipeless organs. But today I was, shall we say, > > underwhelmed with the Protoge'. > > > > Can someone who is knowlegable about new Allen's provide some info on this > > model? I found nothing impressive about the Protoge'. > > > > Jim Pitts > > > > There are a number of Protege models at the economy end of the line = (AP-2, > AP-3, C-6, C-12, AP-15, AP-18, AP-31 and AP-35) and they will be far = less > impressive than the Renaissance models at the other end, particularly if > they've been installed without external speakers. Did the instrument you > played have the shortened pedal sharps? Only the two very smallest = organs > (the models AP-2 and AP-3) use those. From the next model up (the C-6) > things (especially the sounds) begin to improve quite dramatically. For = my > money NONE of these instruments should ever be heard without external > speakers and specifically the newest models of much improved speaker > cabinets called Herald. > > Prices, of course, reflect these things! > > Dan Gawthrop > Composer > > Gawthrop@DunstanHouse.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Strange Preludes... From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 11:23:27 EDT     --part1_38.18377362.286df76f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > Mike Swaldo wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > What are some of the strangest things anyone has done for service = music? > > Yesterday, I played "Old McDonald had a Farm." I played it in a > "churchy," > > chorale prelude style. A few people noticed, but most didn't. > > > > I have played the "Mickey Mouse Theme" very slowly and solemnly, and = nobody > knew what it was. > >       --part1_38.18377362.286df76f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Mike Swaldo wrote: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; What are some of the strangest things anyone has done for service = music? <BR>&gt; Yesterday, I played "Old McDonald had a Farm." &nbsp;I played it = in a <BR>"churchy," <BR>&gt; chorale prelude style. &nbsp;A few people noticed, but most = didn't. <BR>&gt; <BR> <BR>I have played the "Mickey Mouse Theme" very slowly and solemnly, and = nobody <BR>knew what it was. <BR> <BR>Vicki Ceruti</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_38.18377362.286df76f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Baltimore Question (xpost) From: <HOLYMUSIC@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:41:17 EDT   GRACE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH NORTH CHARLES STREET   BRUCE EICHER....DIRECTOR OF MUSIC ORGANIST    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Protege From: <Mozart609@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 13:22:39 EDT     --part1_18.ea09ab2.286e135f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The AP 2 and 3 are NOT Renaissance to my knowledge but the rest of the = AP's are renaissance.       --part1_18.ea09ab2.286e135f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#800040" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0"><B>The AP 2 and 3 are = NOT Renaissance to my knowledge but the rest of the AP's <BR>are renaissance. <BR> <BR></B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_18.ea09ab2.286e135f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Protege From: "Kenneth LaFleur" <lafleur@pivot.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:13:01 -0400   Dear List,   I feel moved to get in on this Allen Protege discussion. I first heard an AP-4 in a very reverberant church five or six years ago -- I was bowled over. It sounded to me not only real, but absolutely grand. I helped with the project of getting one of these into the church I was attending at the time (replacing an ancient Hammond C3), and the installation was smashing. I played the dedication, and liked the instrument so much that I bought myself an AP-3. With two external speakers and careful voicing by the dealer's rep, it has delighted me ever since -- and astonished me.   Just last month we installed a C6 (an AP which replaced the AP4) in an acoustically lovely church where I now share organist's duties, and this is the best yet -- a big, blooming sound. The four external speakers are high up in the front of the church behind an old pipe facade, and they speak with authority. The complete cost of that installation was $15,500. The older AP's are MDS organs, and the new C line are Renaissance. I have played some of the larger Allens, and they are not superior in quality, to my ear, to the babies, which actually use the same tone systems, I understand. They are incredible bargains. REMEMBER: use external speakers (which are not especially costly) -- place them carefully up high and at a distance, and make sure you have the instrument voiced to the room in which it speaks. These little organs are marvels.   Ken LaFleur   Mozart609@aol.com wrote: > > The AP 2 and 3 are NOT Renaissance to my knowledge but the rest of the > AP's > are renaissance.  
(back) Subject: Re: Strange Preludes... From: "Jeffery Korns" <jakorns@home.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 18:30:55 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C100C9.A2646700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I can't recall playing strange preludes, but I have done some off =3D beat postludes. I once asked a choir director for a postlude suggestion = =3D - he said "3 blind mice". So he got a fugue on "3 blind mice". Once in college I got tired of "Prelude in Classic Style" (it was =3D the most requested piece I got from other students), so I gave it to =3D them- but in the middle of it I included "We're Gonna Win Twins" (I was = =3D in Minnesota, they were in the World Series). Jeff ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Myosotis51@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 10:23 AM Subject: Re: Strange Preludes...         Mike Swaldo wrote:=3D20 >=3D20 > Hi,=3D20 >=3D20 > What are some of the strangest things anyone has done for service = =3D music?=3D20 > Yesterday, I played "Old McDonald had a Farm." I played it in = a=3D20 "churchy,"=3D20 > chorale prelude style. A few people noticed, but most didn't.=3D20 >=3D20   I have played the "Mickey Mouse Theme" very slowly and solemnly, and = =3D nobody=3D20 knew what it was.=3D20   Vicki Ceruti         ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C100C9.A2646700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't recall playing strange = =3D preludes,=3D20 but I have done some off beat postludes.&nbsp; I once asked a choir =3D director for=3D20 a postlude suggestion - he said "3 blind mice".&nbsp; So he got a fugue = =3D on "3=3D20 blind mice".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Once in college I got tired of = =3D "Prelude in=3D20 Classic Style" (it was the most requested piece I got from other=3D20 students),&nbsp; so I gave it to them- but in the middle of it&nbsp;I =3D included=3D20 "We're Gonna Win Twins" (I was in Minnesota, they were in the World=3D20 Series).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DMyosotis51@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Myosotis51@aol.com">Myosotis51@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 29, 2001 =3D 10:23=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Strange =3D Preludes...</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Mike Swaldo wrote: <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hi, <BR>&gt; =3D <BR>&gt; What=3D20 are some of the strangest things anyone has done for service music? = =3D <BR>&gt;=3D20 Yesterday, I played "Old McDonald had a Farm." &nbsp;I played it in = =3D a=3D20 <BR>"churchy," <BR>&gt; chorale prelude style. &nbsp;A few people =3D noticed,=3D20 but most didn't. <BR>&gt; <BR><BR>I have played the "Mickey Mouse =3D Theme"=3D20 very slowly and solemnly, and nobody <BR>knew what it was. =3D <BR><BR>Vicki=3D20 Ceruti</BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3D"Comic Sans = MS" =3D color=3D3D#0000a0=3D20 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C100C9.A2646700--    
(back) Subject: strange preludes From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:21:57 -0500   HI list, try these on for size! I have played the Bethena Waltz by Scott Joplin and the theme song from The Ghost and MR. Chicken for a postlude. Those Methodists have no clue! ( and the sad part is that I am a member of that denomination too)! Try this just for fun. Choose a prelude that starts out softly( good background music for those who are talking in the pews before church about card parties etc.). Then play louder for awhile so that they can talk louder and then bring everything quickly to a rapid ppp. What fun! I heard one Sunday when i did that, that a lady was saying. ( "I didn't think they would ever leave last night after we lost at bridge. She is an awful player.") And everyone else heard too! Oh my! Of course the other lady was there too within ear shot, boy was joys and concerns fun that day! lol. And as our minister says. "Lettuce spray"). Have fun list. Gary