PipeChat Digest #1853 - Sunday, March 4, 2001
 
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Estey Opus 2775
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Benjamin Britton ?X Posted!
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Concert Announcement XPosted
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Pedaling on Old Timers
  by "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:40:49 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_23790694= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 08:11 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: A new organist should learn BOTH flat and concave/convex = pedalboards.<snip>   I can't agree to this. What SHOULD be done is to whack these "retro-fad"/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build consoles to AGO standards. Having to learn a technique for all different types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in the first place! Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument = configuration is just more work to be done that's not necessary. As far a "tippie-toe" pedalling goes, it's as obsolete as the old torture chamber pedalboards are. If you want to play marcato, play marcato...but do it in such a way that ONE method is used as second nature...not "one for this, one for = that, one for the other thing". Whatta waste of time and effort!   >I hate to pop your bubble (raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly I do!), but the flat >pedalboard has already made a comback at the pedalboard of choice for = many >organists.<snip>   Yeah...the "trackerbacker"/"orgelbunghole" crowd. NEXT!   DeserTBoB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_23790694= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 08:11 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D2>A new organist should learn BOTH flat and concave/convex pedalboards.&lt;snip&gt;<br> <br> </font>I can't agree to this.&nbsp; What SHOULD be done is to whack these &quot;retro-fad&quot;/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build consoles to AGO standards.&nbsp; Having to learn a technique for all different types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in the first place!&nbsp; Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument configuration is just more work to be done that's not necessary.&nbsp; As far a &quot;tippie-toe&quot; pedalling goes, it's as obsolete as the old torture chamber pedalboards are.&nbsp; If you want to play marcato, play marcato...but do it in such a way that ONE method is used as second nature...not &quot;one for this, one for that, one for the other thing&quot;.&nbsp; Whatta waste of time and effort!<br> <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" = size=3D2>I hate to pop your bubble (raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly I do!), but the flat pedalboard has already made a comback at the pedalboard of choice for many organists.&lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Yeah...the &quot;trackerbacker&quot;/&quot;orgelbunghole&quot; crowd.&nbsp; NEXT!<br> <br> DeserTBoB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_23790694= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 11:17:49 +0800 (CST)       On Sat, 3 Mar 2001 RonSeverin@aol.com wrote:   > Hi Bud: > > It's ok to disagree, but I think you've been working too hard on your > Hammond/Suzuki lately. If memory serves me the Hammond has > a flat pedal board, so toes may work better on it. :) A new organist > in MHO should learn the norm of the MODERN 32 note Pedalboard.     Not all Hammonds were manufactured with a "flat" 25 note radiating pedalboard... There were some "Concert" models (I think one of them was called Model E) that were manufactured with pretty standard AGO pedalboards.... And although I didn't enjoy the sound of the Hammond that much, I certainly did enjoy playing on a standard AGO pedalboard, vis a vis a pedalboard made before the AGO standards were set that "tried" to be standard... It was concave, but did not radiate much... and yes, it was 32 notes...     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member        
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:26:00 -0800     --------------540EC1FE3A6801EC169CB4DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Aw, come on, Bob ... tell us how you REALLY feel (EG).   Cheers,   Bud, who is thankful at this late stage in his life that he can pedal at ALL (grin).   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 08:11 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: > A new organist should learn BOTH flat and concave/convex > pedalboards.<snip> > > I can't agree to this. What SHOULD be done is to whack these > "retro-fad"/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build > consoles to AGO standards. Having to learn a technique for all > different types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in > the first place! Wasting time learning how to play obsolete > instrument configuration is just more work to be done that's not > necessary. As far a "tippie-toe" pedalling goes, it's as obsolete as > the old torture chamber pedalboards are. If you want to play marcato, > play marcato...but do it in such a way that ONE method is used as > second nature...not "one for this, one for that, one for the other > thing". Whatta waste of time and effort! > > >> I hate to pop your bubble (raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly I do!), but the >> flat pedalboard has already made a comback at the pedalboard of >> choice for many organists.<snip> > > > Yeah...the "trackerbacker"/"orgelbunghole" crowd. NEXT! > > DeserTBoB   --------------540EC1FE3A6801EC169CB4DD Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Aw, come on, Bob ... tell us how you REALLY feel (EG). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud, who is thankful at this late stage in his life that he can pedal at ALL (grin). <p>Bob Scarborough wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp;At 08:11 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: <br><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica"><font size=3D-1>A new organist should = learn BOTH flat and concave/convex pedalboards.&lt;snip></font></font> <p>I can't agree to this.&nbsp; What SHOULD be done is to whack these = "retro-fad"/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build consoles to AGO = standards.&nbsp; Having to learn a technique for all different types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in the first place!&nbsp; Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument configuration is just more work to be done that's not necessary.&nbsp; As far a "tippie-toe" pedalling goes, it's as obsolete as the old torture chamber pedalboards are.&nbsp; If you want to play marcato, play marcato...but do it in such a way that ONE method is used as second nature...not "one for this, one for that, one for the other thing".&nbsp; Whatta waste of time and effort! <br>&nbsp; <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"Arial, = Helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I hate to pop your bubble (raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllly I do!), but the flat pedalboard has already made a comback at the pedalboard of choice for many organists.&lt;snip></font></font></blockquote>   <p><br>Yeah...the "trackerbacker"/"orgelbunghole" crowd.&nbsp; NEXT! <p>DeserTBoB</blockquote> </html>   --------------540EC1FE3A6801EC169CB4DD--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:21:20 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough To: PipeChat Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things     At 08:11 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >A new organist should learn BOTH flat and concave/convex = pedalboards.<snip> > >I can't agree to this. What SHOULD be done is to whack these "retro-fad"/TrackerBacker >builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build consoles to AGO standards. Having to >learn a technique for all different types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 >in the first place! Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument = configuration is just >more work to be done that's not necessary. Yeah...the "trackerbacker"/"orgelbunghole" >crowd. NEXT!   It seems to me that a -good- organist should be prepared to encounter a variety of instruments in any given situation, -regardless- of -what- the instrument is. I currently play two Holtkamps and a Fisk. Between the two Holtkamps, the one in Crouse has -much- stiffer action. The Fisk is (obviously) a tracker. It is -imperative- that an organist can switch between such actions, as it is imperative that an organist can switch between straight an AGO standard pedalboards.   You would not want to show up as a guest recitalist to discover that the organ is a concave pedalboard if you grew up in Newburyport and only = played H&H's all your life! (Although, again, a -good- organist would have asked beforehand!)   NO tracker vs. electropneumatic here. Some people -like- straight pedalboards, and it is of the utmost importance to be versatile. I, certainly, can not afford to -not- be versatile. I'm moving to Philly soon and God -knows- what's down there! (Tannenbaums, Girard, etc, etc.)   -Rebekah    
(back) Subject: Estey Opus 2775 From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:37:40 -0500   Estey Opus 2775 is a 2 manual built in 1928 for First Church of Christ, Scientist, Rutherford, New Jersey.   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Benjamin Britton ?X Posted! From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2001 22:47:05 EST   Dear List:   Is there a written transcription for organ of the opening movement of The Young People's Guide to the Orchestra? I've heard it played on the organ, and was wondering if sheet music existed, or if were a well crafted improvisation. It's rather catchy and would make a wonderful short postlude, say for a wedding. If it's available I would like to obtain this piece.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:27:57 -0800   At 11:17 AM 3/4/2001 +0800, you wrote: >Not all Hammonds were manufactured with a "flat" 25 note radiating >pedalboard... There were some "Concert" models (I think one of them was >called Model E) that were manufactured with pretty standard AGO >pedalboards.<snip>   Correctamundo. Laurens Hammond was out to maximize profits when he=20 designed the "flat 25" for his first Model A of 1935. The 1936=20 AGO-instigated FTC trials sought to prevent Hammond from calling the=20 contraption an "organ" at all, but they failed, partly because of Hammond's= =20 application of financial "grease" in the right places. However, there was= =20 legitimate complaints about the non-standard console, especially since the= =20 AGO had JUST issued its standarda a scant couple of years before. To=20 answer this (and a few other complaints) the "Concert" Model E came out in= =20 1937, and was produced until 1942. It had a regulation AGO pedalboard, and= =20 dispensed with the "reverse colored" preset keys, substituting instead two= =20 rows of "Comptometer" keys in their stead. Also provided were four "toe=20 studs" (actually just run of the mill buttons), dual swell shoes (on for=20 each...uh..."division"), and intriguing Kimballesque swell indicators on=20 the console.   After the war, the E never returned, as Hammond concentrated, rightfully,=20 on the home organ market that Laurens Hammond had sought to ignore in the=20 1930s. However, in 1949, the new "Concert Model", the RT, appearrf, but=20 for only a brief time, as in December of that year, the new, improved RT-2= =20 (along with improved B-2 and C-3 models) showed up. It had the same=20 regulation AGO pedalboard, and a Solovox-based "Pedal Solo Unit", that=20 supposedly would give a 32' pitch register, but really couldn't in the=20 bottom octave, due to some cheesy engineering. Gone were the neat Kimball= =20 swell indicators, the dual swell shoes, and the curious "toe studs" and=20 Comptometer keys, replaced by essentially a standard Hammond organ, but=20 with the pedal embellishments. The RT-3 came out with the rest of the -3=20 series organs in 1955, which included the Hammond percussion system (good=20 for that "poppin' fresh" third harmonic chiff!), and these lasted to 1974,= =20 the end of tonewheel organs.   >It was concave, but did not radiate much... and yes, it was 32= notes...<snip>   Wurlitzer was famous for "not radiating enough", but this was before the=20 standards, anyway, although the RCO already had thier standard in=20 place. Wurlitzer pedalboards are curious, also, for having all pedal key=20 mounted in conavity, BUT they travelled straight up and down, like a "flat= =20 25"! They're off JUST enough to let you know something's not Kosher down=20 there, but certainly are playable enough. I've played many early M=F6llers= =20 that seemed to have some screwy pedal board dimensions, also, and I think=20 many of the early 27 and 30 note boards weren't centered the same as are=20 later 32 note boards...can't say, that was YEARS ago.   Anyway, the whole idea of standardization is to make ones job EASIER, NOT=20 harder. All this "retro-fad" garbage is just done to be different for=20 being different's sake, and is a hindrance. Over in "merrie Olde", they=20 have to deal with BOTH on a regular basis...a pity! Certainly, the Willis= =20 design makes a lot more sense from an ergonomic standpoint. The=20 pedalboards on those old "Euro-wheezers" AND the modern Continental organs= =20 make NO sense at all in these more enlightened times! Anyone that's dealt= =20 with or has studied industrial techniques and hygiene will see this=20 straight away!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Concert Announcement XPosted From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 23:40:55 -0500   If you are in the area, All Saints Parish, 1773 Beacon Street, Brookline, Massachusetts will be presenting the Faur=E9 Requiem and other Fernch works is a sacred Concert at 4:00PM Sunday.   The concert is Free. A reception will be held after the concert. Soloists will be Robert Honeysucker, Bass and Jessica Cooper Soprano. With the All Saints Choir and Orchestea, conducted by Donald Teeters.   All are invited.   Hope to see you there.   Dave McPeak <Mack>    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:50:33 -0800   At 10:21 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >It seems to me that a -good- organist should be prepared to encounter a >variety of instruments in any given situation, -regardless- of -what- the >instrument is.<snip>   True, that's the reality of these times, and only being made WORSE by this= =20 current "trendy/faddy" return to obsolescence. Thus, it's a reactionary=20 response, not one of logical evolution. Sure, the old-timers are still out= =20 there, and one has to adapt accordingly to play them. But, the move toward= =20 standardization, which progressed nicely through the 1950s, is now being=20 cast asunder, creating even MORE variation, and more headaches! Many=20 recitalists use this ability as a "badge of courage", so to speak, but why= =20 SHOULD they have to?   > I currently play two Holtkamps and a Fisk. Between the two >Holtkamps, the one in Crouse has -much- stiffer action. The Fisk is >(obviously) a tracker. It is -imperative- that an organist can switch >between such actions, as it is imperative that an organist can switch >between straight an AGO standard pedalboards.<snip>   I can...but I prefer not to. It's yet another thing that interferes with=20 interpretation of the musical program at hand, another annoyance, another=20 hindrance. Sometimes, if you listen to the "in" crowd of the organ world,= =20 you'd think all organs need those silly windbags on the side, Mean Tone,=20 stops that pull out by the mile and no swell boxes whatsoever! How DUMB is= =20 THAT? It's SO nice to find everything where it's supposed to be, not have= =20 to worry about how the pedals line up with the manuals, not having to worry= =20 if you're going to be a note off at the top and bottom on the compass, and= =20 not have to worry about getting Carpal Tunnel just to PLAY the damned=20 thing! Personally, I think the best method of playing these trackered=20 "orgelbunghole" things is to bring in a set of hammers!   In case anyone wonders, I've now rendered my opinion...worth 2=A2 as it may= be!   dB    
(back) Subject: Pedaling on Old Timers From: "George Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 23:13:47 -0600   Substituted not too long ago on an 1861 Pilcher... flat pedal board ... = AND way off center ... best advice for a situation like that ... practice like = hell before hand.. get used to it ... then make sure you have an appointment = with the chiropractor for the next day.. ... you will need it... LOL.   Sand Lawn     Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 10:21 PM 3/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >It seems to me that a -good- organist should be prepared to encounter a > >variety of instruments in any given situation,    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 00:38:03 EST   Hi Bob:   I thought I'd ask this question, Is the stock Kilgen pedalboard a smidge narrower than standard? The pedals always seemed to me to be closer together and more cramped than say Moller. I took my first lessons on a modified four rank Kilgen in the mid 1950's. 5 Estey ranks were added by that time, as I remember. The organ was built in 1932. the organ doesn't exist anymore due to an organ hobbiest gone wild during the seventies. He gave the priests of this poor parish the thought that he knew everything. His ego didn't carry him very far, and he = destroyed this organ.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 21:53:22 -0800   At 12:38 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I thought I'd ask this question, Is the stock Kilgen pedalboard a smidge >narrower than standard? The pedals always seemed to me to be >closer together and more cramped than say Moller.<snip>   I've played a few old Kilgens, and never found there to be anything=20 noticeably different. However, I DID fine a lot of the really old M=F6llers= =20 to be "too straight", although concavity seemed about right. Now, I dont'= =20 guess...I measure 'em!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 03:30:23 EST     --part1_75.110c7ce0.27d3571f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 2:19:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:     > It seems like every organ I've played in England has a flat = pedalboard... > perhaps not at Westminster Abbey, but all the others have been and only > having a 29" inseem it is horribly difficult to sound like a = professional > organist when you can barely reach the pedals.... I prefer the AGO = pedal > boards by FAR. > >   Not to be "bloodyminded".... but it seems it would be much easier to have your pants altered thus giving your short legs (I'm also cursed with a 29" =   inseam) more room to move, learning to "move" on the bench as you play, = and practice, than it would be to rebuild all of the organs in England! = People of "our" generation in the USofA seem far to rigid for our own good. I = would venture to say that much of the problem with flat pedalboards is purely psychological and if you hadn't looked you might not have had as much = trouble!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_75.110c7ce0.27d3571f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 2:19:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, DRAWKNOB@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It seems like = every organ I've played in England has a flat pedalboard... <BR>perhaps not at Westminster Abbey, but all the others have been and = only <BR>having a 29" inseem it is horribly difficult to sound like a = professional <BR>organist when you can barely reach the pedals.... &nbsp;I prefer the = AGO pedal <BR>boards by FAR. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not to be "bloodyminded".... but it seems it would be much easier to = have <BR>your pants altered thus giving your short legs (I'm also cursed with a = 29" <BR>inseam) more room to move, learning to "move" on the bench as you = play, and <BR>practice, than it would be to rebuild all of the organs in England! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;People <BR>of "our" generation in the USofA seem far to rigid for our own good. = &nbsp;I would <BR>venture to say that much of the problem with flat pedalboards is = purely <BR>psychological and if you hadn't looked you might not have had as much = trouble! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_75.110c7ce0.27d3571f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 03:38:00 EST     --part1_ee.11e65260.27d358e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 2:57:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > I can't agree to this. What SHOULD be done is to whack these > "retro-fad"/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build > consoles to AGO standards. Having to learn a technique for all = different > types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in the first > place! Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument = configuration > is just more work to be done that's not necessary.   Absolutely, bOb. And to carry your premise further, we should end all of =   this hullaballoo about authentic performance and junk all of those = horrible Caville-Coll organs with those ghastly reeds that don't work in American buildings and MAKE THEM build 1960 Skinneresque reeds so that everything = will sound alike and organists won't have to waste their time learning about different historical sounds. And while we're at it, let's do away with = all of those silly baroque reeds, and those honky loud English romantic ones, thus eliminating two more schools of music to learn. It's really silly that such composers of the calibre of Bach and Franck = did not consider that their instruments were inferior to the ones that would = be built by Skinner and WurliTzer in the USA. One would expect more of them. And let's also get rid of all these fanciful names on stopsknobs... = WAIT!!! and also get rid of STOP KNOBS because everyone knows that horseteeth in = the round are ergonomically better, not to mention cheaper. And while we're = at it, there should be one standardized stop list for each size organ in increments of 5 ranks. Think how much time organists could save by not having to learn DIFFERENT things. Then we wouldn't have to worry about deciding whether to go to an organ recital or not because THEY WOULD ALL SOUND THE SAME!!!!   Too much cactus juice, bOb!!!! ;-)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ee.11e65260.27d358e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 2:57:57 AM !!!First Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I can't agree to = this. &nbsp;What SHOULD be done is to whack these <BR>"retro-fad"/TrackerBacker builders over the HEADS and MAKE them build <BR>consoles to AGO standards. &nbsp;Having to learn a technique for all = different <BR>types of consoles is WHY the standards came about in 1934 in the first =   <BR>place! &nbsp;Wasting time learning how to play obsolete instrument = configuration <BR>is just more work to be done that's not necessary. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Absolutely, bOb. &nbsp;&nbsp;And to carry your premise further, we = should end all of <BR>this hullaballoo about authentic performance and junk all of those = horrible <BR>Caville-Coll organs with those ghastly reeds that don't work in = American <BR>buildings and MAKE THEM build 1960 Skinneresque reeds so that = everything will <BR>sound alike and organists won't have to waste their time learning = about <BR>different historical sounds. &nbsp;&nbsp;And while we're at it, let's = do away with all <BR>of those silly baroque reeds, and those honky loud English romantic = ones, <BR>thus eliminating two more schools of music to learn. <BR>It's really silly that such composers of the calibre of Bach and = Franck did <BR>not consider that their instruments were inferior to the ones that = would be <BR>built by Skinner and WurliTzer in the USA. &nbsp;One would expect more of them. <BR>And let's also get rid of all these fanciful names on stopsknobs... = WAIT!!! &nbsp; <BR>and also get rid of STOP KNOBS because everyone knows that horseteeth = in the <BR>round are ergonomically better, not to mention cheaper. = &nbsp;&nbsp;And while we're at <BR>it, there should be one standardized stop list for each size organ in <BR>increments of 5 ranks. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Think how much time organists = could save by not <BR>having to learn DIFFERENT things. <BR>Then we wouldn't have to worry about deciding whether to go to an = organ <BR>recital or not because THEY WOULD ALL SOUND THE SAME!!!! <BR> <BR>Too much cactus juice, bOb!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ee.11e65260.27d358e8_boundary--