PipeChat Digest #1854 - Sunday, March 4, 2001
 
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling on Old Timers
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling on Old Timers
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:01:00 EST     --part1_c7.7debfe2.27d35e4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 4:30:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > Anyone that's dealt > with or has studied industrial techniques and hygiene will see this > straight away! > >   Oh! Now it makes sense. We must make sure that all of our organs = conform to Industrial standards and are hygienic. We all wait with bated breath = for the day when EVERYTHING will be standardized and sterile. whoooooooopeeeeeeeeee   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_c7.7debfe2.27d35e4c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 4:30:09 AM !!!First Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Anyone that's = dealt <BR>with or has studied industrial techniques and hygiene will see this <BR>straight away! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Oh! &nbsp;Now it makes sense. &nbsp;&nbsp;We must make sure that all = of our organs conform <BR>to Industrial standards and are hygienic. &nbsp;&nbsp;We all wait with = bated breath for <BR>the day when EVERYTHING will be standardized and sterile. &nbsp; <BR>whoooooooopeeeeeeeeee <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c7.7debfe2.27d35e4c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:05:52 EST     --part1_16.99a7a65.27d35f70_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 5:01:19 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > But, the move toward standardization, which progressed nicely through = the > 1950s, is now being cast asunder, creating even MORE variation, and more =   > headaches!   Yup! Until people got bored with hearing the same sound come out of every =   instrument! Then people had the curiosity to wonder why Bach wrote some = of his music the way he did and if it might be easier to play on an = instrument similar to the ones he played. La... how jolly!     > I can...but I prefer not to. It's yet another thing that interferes = with > interpretation of the musical program at hand, another annoyance, = another > hindrance. And right you are... nothing interferes with interpretation of the musical =   program at hand than an instrument built in the style of the music! DOINK!!!!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_16.99a7a65.27d35f70_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 5:01:19 AM !!!First Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But, the move = toward standardization, which progressed nicely through the <BR>1950s, is now being cast asunder, creating even MORE variation, and = more <BR>headaches! &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Yup! &nbsp;Until people got bored with hearing = the same sound come out of every <BR>instrument! &nbsp;&nbsp;Then people had the curiosity to wonder why = Bach wrote some of <BR>his music the way he did and if it might be easier to play on an = instrument <BR>similar to the ones he played. &nbsp;La... how jolly! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I can...but I prefer not to. &nbsp;It's yet another thing that = interferes with <BR>interpretation of the musical program at hand, another annoyance, = another <BR>hindrance. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">And right you are... nothing interferes with = interpretation of the musical <BR>program at hand than an instrument built in the style of the music! = &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>DOINK!!!! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16.99a7a65.27d35f70_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling on Old Timers From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:08:38 EST     --part1_66.ca5f5e4.27d36016_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 5:17:15 AM !!!First Boot!!!, sandlawn@bayou.com writes:     > Substituted not too long ago on an 1861 Pilcher... flat pedal board ... = AND > way > off center ...   I used to practice on the 1/6 Hook & Hastings at St. Paul's Episcopal = Church in Vergennes, Vermont. It had only thirteen pedals (CC-C) and they were carefully spaced so that were centered under the manuals. The pedalboard = was straight and flat, of course. It took a gruelling fifteen minutes to get =   used to this, and made me wonder why the home organ "broomstick" crowd = didnt think of this.   Time is much better spend overcoming a problem than complaining about it!! = ;-)     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_66.ca5f5e4.27d36016_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 5:17:15 AM !!!First Boot!!!, sandlawn@bayou.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Substituted not = too long ago on an 1861 Pilcher... flat pedal board ... AND <BR>way <BR>off center ... </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I used to practice on the 1/6 Hook &amp; Hastings at St. Paul's = Episcopal Church <BR>in Vergennes, Vermont. &nbsp;&nbsp;It had only thirteen pedals (CC-C) = and they were <BR>carefully spaced so that were centered under the manuals. &nbsp;The = pedalboard was <BR>straight and flat, of course. &nbsp;&nbsp;It took a gruelling fifteen = minutes to get <BR>used to this, and made me wonder why the home organ "broomstick" crowd = didnt <BR>think of this. <BR> <BR>Time is much better spend overcoming a problem than complaining about = it!! &nbsp; <BR>;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_66.ca5f5e4.27d36016_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 01:43:48 -0800   At 03:38 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, baWLd-OnE bReWsE wrote: >Absolutely, bOb. And to carry your premise further, we should end all = of >this hullaballoo about authentic performance<snipping MUCH invective >having NOTHING to do with standardization of console dimensions>   As is typical of this crowd, they take the issue of >>>>CONSOLE = DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS<<< and then cry about tonal issues! Bad argument. Console dimensions, IF standardized, can control ANY organ of ANY action of ANY tonal school of thought...including those "orgelbunghole" shriekers! This =   is one area where "authenticity" has no real bearing except as a = historical interest. Students approaching the organ have ENOUGH to worry about WITHOUT worrying about playing geography skewed by some ego-tripping = "organ architect"! I"m quite sure the committee on standards had this in mind when the carried out their work (essentially just rubber stamping the RCO standards, but at least standard EXISTED...for ONCE!)   That being said, it IS true that baWLd-OnE schpinettes have "flat, straight" pedalboards....right?   DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 01:52:32 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1620409= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 04:05 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, baWLd-OnE bReWsE wrote: Yup! Until people got bored with hearing the same sound come out of every >instrument!<snip>   ....and AGAIN, you've tried to take the issue of physical dimensions into some "trackerbacker vs. slush-o-matic" argument. INVALID! This = discussion is about standardization of CONSOLE DIMENSIONS! HELLO?????   As far as rendering an "authentic performance", if a musician has to be FORCED to render such a performance with obsolete console dimensions and appliances, then he's not much of a musician, true? One learns to apply various interpretations though ones conscious actions, not be forced to by =   some anachronism! If one wants marcato bass, one PLAYS it that way. As BuuD-by-the-Beach aptly points out, should one want to play Baroquish "footsy" pedalling, have at it! Surely, the Willis/RCO/AGO dimension evolution allows the player more choice! AND, from a "workdesk" that is comfortable, with things where they're supposed to be...not some phoney "artiquity" that has NO bearing on present day technology or knowledge!   Ready for any more?   dB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1620409= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 04:05 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, baWLd-OnE bReWsE wrote:<br> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D2>Yup!&nbsp; Until people got bored with hearing the same sound come out of every <br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite = cite>instrument!&lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> ....and AGAIN, you've tried to take the issue of physical dimensions into some &quot;trackerbacker vs. slush-o-matic&quot; argument.&nbsp; INVALID!&nbsp; This discussion is about standardization of CONSOLE DIMENSIONS!&nbsp; HELLO?????<br> <br> As far as rendering an &quot;authentic performance&quot;, if a musician has to be FORCED to render such a performance with obsolete console dimensions and appliances, then he's not much of a musician, true?&nbsp; One learns to apply various interpretations though ones conscious actions, not be forced to by some anachronism!&nbsp; If one wants marcato bass, one PLAYS it that way.&nbsp; As BuuD-by-the-Beach aptly points out, should one want to play Baroquish &quot;footsy&quot; pedalling, have at it!&nbsp; Surely, the Willis/RCO/AGO dimension evolution allows the player more choice!&nbsp; AND, from a &quot;workdesk&quot; that is comfortable, with things where they're supposed to be...not some phoney &quot;artiquity&quot; that has NO bearing on present day technology or knowledge!<br> <br> Ready for any more?<br> <br> dB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1620409= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling on Old Timers From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 01:59:18 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1821042= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 04:08 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >It took a gruelling fifteen minutes to get used to this, and made me >wonder why the home organ "broomstick" crowd didnt think of this. <snip>   Probably because they, like me, were a LITTLE concerned about something akin to standardized pedal spacing! Even Laurens Hammond, who was tone deaf and didn't play a note, was smart enough to make his "flat 25", which =   became a "home organ" standard to this day, with an 8'6" radius AND standard spacing, even though they were flat! Time DOES march on, you know. As far as Hook and Hastings goes, they were over the hill by the 'teens, their glory days long past. The disaster in the "Rockefeller Church" was their swan song for organs of any importance, and showed how far they'd slipped from reality. NEXT!   DeserTBoB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1821042= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 04:08 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" = size=3D2>It took a gruelling fifteen minutes to get used to this, and made me wonder why the home organ &quot;broomstick&quot; crowd didnt think of this. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Probably because they, like me, were a LITTLE concerned about something akin to standardized pedal spacing!&nbsp; Even Laurens Hammond, who was tone deaf and didn't play a note, was smart enough to make his &quot;flat 25&quot;, which became a &quot;home organ&quot; standard to this day, with an 8'6&quot; radius AND standard spacing, even though they were flat!&nbsp; Time DOES march on, you know.&nbsp; As far as Hook and Hastings goes, they were over the hill by the 'teens, their glory days long past.&nbsp; The disaster in the &quot;Rockefeller Church&quot; was their swan song for organs of any importance, and showed how far they'd slipped from reality.&nbsp; NEXT!<br> <br> DeserTBoB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_1821042= =3D=3D_.ALT--