PipeChat Digest #1857 - Sunday, March 4, 2001
 
Re: Blue Man / Uakti
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Speech Meet Results
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Blue Man Commercials
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Speech Meet Results
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Blue Man Commercials
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other Things
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Blue Man Commercials
  by "Arthur Aldrich" <artie00000@home.com>
Pedaling, logic, standards and cheese.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pedaling and Other things
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Blue Man / Uakti
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Blue Man / Uakti From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:37:39 EST   In a message dated 3/4/01 12:01:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, opus1100@catoe.org writes:   << Blue Man Group is a performance group which features music played on PVC and drum heads with water >>   There is a Brazilian group called Uakti (pronounced whatchee) that uses similar instruments. They really make some incredible music. Their web = site is http://www.metalink.com.br/cultura/uakti The site is in Portuguese (I guess?). Click on the little green thing at the upper right corner to see their instruments.   Cheers:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Speech Meet Results From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:16:55 -0600   I received first place out of 17 participants in the "Informative" category. My speech was entitled "The King of Instruments".   The speech meet was at Lac Qui Parle Valley high school in rural Madison, MN (about a 180 mile drive from here). So even after getting up at 4 a.m. and staying up till 11 pm (speech people were also required to play in pep band for the boys basketball tourney @ Luverne (our #6 ranked team beat the #1 team!!!!). So it was a long, fun day.   I should also mention that the speech was written primarily on Wednesday night, perfected after school Thursday, perfected by the speech coach on Friday morning, and posters were done Friday night. I just joined speech this past week also. I had never practiced with my posters before the meet. Anyway I am extremely happy as to how I did. I need some sleep!!!   Paul  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 14:36:32 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A4B8.81A6BDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable       >Ready for any more?   No. It's all in the archives. Repeatedly. <br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get = your=3D FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">htt=3D p://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A4B8.81A6BDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV><BR></DIV> = <DI=3D V>&gt;Ready for any more?<BR><BR>No.&nbsp; It's all in the = archives.&nbsp=3D ; Repeatedly.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br = clear=3D3D=3D all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explo=3D rer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A4B8.81A6BDA0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Blue Man Commercials From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:46:53 EST     --part1_f.10aef423.27d411cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 3:29:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > Intel has a new commercial format featuring mimes with Blue painted > faces doing gyrations with what looks to be 8 or 10 inch PVC pipe that > eventually evolves into the number "4" (in advertisement of the Pentium > 4 processor). What is interesting (and therefore somewhat on topic) is, > one of the guys is beating on the pipe with drumsticks, while another is > sliding a tuning collar up and down on top of the pipe changing the > effective speaking length and pitch   Cool.... The next generation of instruments for our PraZebAndZ!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f.10aef423.27d411cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 3:29:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mike3247@earthlink.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Intel has a new = commercial format featuring mimes with Blue painted <BR>faces doing gyrations with what looks to be 8 or 10 inch PVC pipe that <BR>eventually evolves into the number "4" (in advertisement of the = Pentium <BR>4 processor). What is interesting (and therefore somewhat on topic) = is, <BR>one of the guys is beating on the pipe with drumsticks, while another = is <BR>sliding a tuning collar up and down on top of the pipe changing the <BR>effective speaking length and pitch</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Cool.... &nbsp;&nbsp;The next generation of instruments for our = PraZebAndZ! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f.10aef423.27d411cd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Speech Meet Results From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:58:01 EST     --part1_23.83efc87.27d41469_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 8:18:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = soulek@frontiernet.net writes:     > I received first place out of 17 participants in the "Informative" > category. My speech was entitled "The King of Instruments".   Extreme congratulations on a job well done.   > > The speech meet was at Lac Qui Parle Valley high school in rural > Madison, MN (about a 180 mile drive from here). So even after getting up > at 4 a.m. and staying up till 11 pm (speech people were also required to > play in pep band for the boys basketball tourney @ Luverne   Hopefully, every person in speech class plays an instrument! heeheehee   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_23.83efc87.27d41469_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/01 8:18:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, soulek@frontiernet.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I received first = place out of 17 participants in the "Informative" <BR>category. My speech was entitled "The King of Instruments". = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Extreme congratulations on a job well done. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR>The speech meet was at Lac Qui Parle Valley high school in rural <BR>Madison, MN (about a 180 mile drive from here). So even after getting = up <BR>at 4 a.m. and staying up till 11 pm (speech people were also required = to <BR>play in pep band for the boys basketball tourney @ Luverne = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Hopefully, every person in speech class plays an instrument! = &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_23.83efc87.27d41469_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:44:12 -0800   At 10:36 PM 3/4/2001 +0800, t'other BawB wrote: >Onya Bob! I agree! (Onya =3D OZ sign of approval!!!)<snip>   Ohhh EEEEE Ohhhh...OHHHHHH ohhhh....    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:49:25 -0800   At 10:18 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, Mr. Drawerknob wrote: >and the "Dragnet Toccata" by Boellman this morning.<snip>   Another fine postludium is the "Highway Patrol" TV show theme from the 1950s. The introduction of the initial theme on pedal tubas or bombardes is quite spine tingling. In inner-city churches, one might look into the nave to find congregants already "up against the wall".....   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Blue Man Commercials From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:51:28 -0800   At 10:29 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I realize this is all just "TV", but the effect is most interesting, and >the flue pipe physics lesson is there for all to see and hear.<snip>   It ain't just "TV". "Blue Man Group" is a performing "experimental" music =   group. The Intel ad campaign gave them their shot at fame.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 13:59:57 -0800   At 10:44 AM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: ---not too much furniture polish on the bench please or you might end up in= =20 the choir's lap.<snip>   GUILTY! As a good student, I would take on the responsibility of console=20 cleaning at my teacher's church. The console was in fairly constant use=20 throughout the week with student practice, and the usual "finger oil"=20 grundge would get quite nasty, as would accumulations of the usual dust and= =20 grime. This was a nice =C6olian-Skinner with a large 3 manual console,=20 unfortunately buried in a pit in the right-hand choir stalls. One day, I=20 brought all my supplies to clean and polish the entire console before=20 practice, including a nice hand waxing of the shell.   Two days later, I had a scheduled lesson, whereupon my teacher thanked me=20 for making the console look "as-new" again, complete with squeaky clean=20 manuals and a fine waxed finish everywhere. She added after, however, to=20 please not wax the bench surface, as, over the years, she had gotten into=20 the habit of "hopping" onto the bench from a nearby step. It seems she=20 came in to practice just after I had finished my cleaning chores, "hopped"= =20 onto the bench, slid clear across, and wound up atop a low case next to the= =20 bench where her music stacks were! She said the bruise would heal soon=20 enough, however.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:03:17 -0800   At 10:17 AM 3/4/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Reisner and Durst (maybe Klann?)<snip>   Klann consoles I've run across (and I measured a couple, as part of an=20 exercise) have on-spec pedalboards. Ditto with the Kilgens I've=20 inspected. NOT so with M=F6ller! I never really measured an A-S= pedalboard,=20 but they "felt" right, as did Austin's.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 17:41:34 -0500   "Mike Gettelman" wrote:   Would anyone know if the new Fisk being installed in Phinny Hall at Oberlin University will continue with the tradition of straight pedal board as are all the other instruments used by the organ department there?   It would seem to the casual observer that it is an important message for such a respected organ school as Oberlin to specify their students learn the straight pedal board exclusively while there.   Cheers Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 14:33:55 -0800   At 01:03 AM 3/5/2001 +0800, you wrote: >Also .... I substituted on an Allen last summer... some Allen >pedalboards are not the same either, depending on the model... The flats >on the one I subbed on were not far enough forward...<snip>   Allen's "princess" consoles, such as used in the T- and S- tube organs and= =20 the TC-1, had accompanying "princess" pedalboards, where the board is too=20 far back and the keys too close together to meet specifications. Concavity= =20 and radius are correct. These boards are also shorter than=20 regulation. However, most players found them to be comfortable enough,=20 even though a bit clumsy due to the closeness of the accidentals. To me,=20 key spacing, proper centering and concavity are the three factors that will= =20 distract the quickest on a non-standard pedalboard.   Another issue not yet broached is that of manual tilt. The AGO standard=20 provided for such, but many builders, such as M=F6ller totally ignored=20 it. This, of course, was taken to its logical extreme in the Midmer-Losh=20 organ in Atlantic City. Although the disruptive effect of having or not=20 having such a tilt is far less noticeable than non-standard pedalboards,=20 I've found a larger organ with manuals splayed thusly to be slightly more=20 natural feeling to play. Allen, to their credit, observed this standard on= =20 even their tiniest consoles. More distracting is non-overhanging or=20 incorrectly overhung manuals. The old Hammond tonewheelers were an example= =20 of non-standard manual configuration, and were a minor annoyance, which=20 became more major should you want to "thumb down" a counter melody or=20 "reach up" to "bing" a percussion note or two. Under fire for this for=20 years, Hammond finally abandoned their "piano" manuals in the mid-'60s for= =20 their new designs, but the old style manuals continued in the B, C and RT=20 consoles right up to the end of tonewheels in 1974. Interestingly, the=20 pedalboards on E and RT consoles meet AGO specifications exactly.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Blue Man Commercials From: "Arthur Aldrich" <artie00000@home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:11:41 -0500   What is interesting (and therefore somewhat on topic) is, one of the guys is beating on the pipe with drumsticks, while another is sliding a tuning collar up and down on top of the pipe changing the effective speaking length and pitch.   I bet Hope-Jones has a patent on it!   Arthur  
(back) Subject: Pedaling, logic, standards and cheese. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:15:08 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595713= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 12:19 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: ITS NOT ABOUT THE INSTRUMENT - ITS ABOUT THE MUSIC<snip>   Indeed, which is why the standards came about in the FIRST place! Evolutionary as they are, they at least provided a modicum of saneness, whereupon some of the "variables" every organist has to face =   from instrument to instrument are "levelled out". One must keep in mind that the organist STILL has to contend with different stop and = registration mechanisms in each and every case, as well as different acoustics, voicing =   schools, and so on. Why throw MORE uncertainty into the mix, when you don't have to? It's just a "make work" situation, at best.   The whole point of standards such as these are to ALLOW the musician to concentrate on making MUSIC, rather than have to consciously worry about this pedalboard, that pedalboard, this manual configuation, that manual configuration, where the hell's the swell shoes on THIS beast, and so on. Thus standardized, the mind is freed of some of this burden, and the true job at hand, musical interpretation, can take that much more = conscious "brain power". Simply throwing willy-nilly console designs at the player does nothing but pump up the egos of self-styled organ designers and those =   that place visual asthetics over functionality.   >If you cannot make music on the instrument in front of you, the problem = is >yours, not the organbuilders. <snip>   Wrong...see above and below.   From the dawn of the Industrial Revolution through the present, consideration to such issues as related to the workplace was given in a myriad of studies and reveiws by such industrial giants as AT&T, General Motors, Ford, General Electric and many other companies involved in both manufacturing and service work. Without going into thesis depth on references to these (and avoiding, for the whole issue of ergonomics, = which "The Shrub" and his minions don't think exists), it was found time after time that work tools and procedures that had consistency in design held = the highest hope for repeatability in quality and avoidance of worker injury. Mixed results were had in the Bell System in the 20th century, where many pieces of telephone switching and transmission equipment were standardized in user interface and function, where others were not.   A Bell Telephone Labs study of the 1910s found that in instances where certain central office equipment had standardized controls and test access =   points, ability of technicians to easily perform work in various offices all over the country could easily be attained. In instances were = equipment was "custom designed" to fit whims and fancies of local engineers, = problems were encountered with training and operating errors if field forces from other areas were to transfer in or be brought in to alleviate temporary workload imbalances. Thus, a standardized training package could be developed to cover standardized pieces of equipment (all of which reinforces the "system" in Bell System), and technicians from anywhere in the country could operated equipment anywhere in the system if need be, = all with a fairly reliable incidence of success.   This, of course, is simple logic at work. The tranference of the = telephone plant experience to the job of an organist is directly transferable. Having standardized controls, a properly trained organist can perform with these controls with a fairly well-assured guaranty of success. Lack of standards simply puts more "non-productive" work = (meaning here, "non-musical") in the player's way, which must be dealt with above and beyond immediate musical concerns.   Faced with this knowledge, why, then, are organ people so hide bound towards illogical decisions, such as non-standard "controls" and anachronistic tonal schemes and actions? It would seem to me that the basic "artistic temperament" arrises here, but not where it SHOULD be arising. This temperament is best put to work on MUSICAL issues, NOT mechanical ones. It is indeed widespread knowledge that performing organists are, in many cases, completely clueless about things mechanical or electrical, and thus, it would seem that issues regarding the = mechanical interface between player and instrument be best left to people and philosophies that deal more to the point of mundune, but still equally important, mechanical issues. One could point to precisely that as being the reason for the RCO, and later, AGO standards...basic mechanical and "interface" concerns are eliminated, allowing the musician to focus on making MUSIC...not dealing with mechanical non-conformity.   In closing, one must remember that J.S. Bach, possibly one of the most logical musical composers that ever lived, was himself both a stellar performer in his day, AND one who indeed advocated standardization in = areas of standard pitch AND temperament. The human experience of the times hadn't realized the benefit of mechanical standardization, due to being primarily an agrarian society whose preoccupation with things mechanical was still at an infantile stage.   AS to DeserTBoBs hygiene, well, I will leave that to those who know you >better :-) <SNIP!>   ....as IF someone from an area that considers beer and cheese to be = staples doesn't leave an odorous trail here and there!   DeserTBoB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595713= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html> At 12:19 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <font face=3D3D"arial" size=3D3D2>&nbsp;ITS NOT ABOUT THE INSTRUMENT - ITS = ABOUT THE MUSIC&lt;snip&gt;<br> <br> </font>Indeed, which is why the standards came about in the FIRST place!&nbsp; Evolutionary as they are, they at least provided a modicum of&nbsp; saneness, whereupon some of the &quot;variables&quot; every organist has to face from instrument to instrument are &quot;levelled out&quot;.&nbsp; One must keep in mind that the organist STILL has to contend with different stop and registration mechanisms in each and every case, as well as different acoustics, voicing schools, and so on.&nbsp; Why throw MORE uncertainty into the mix, when you don't have to?&nbsp; It's just a &quot;make work&quot; situation, at best.<br> <br> The whole point of standards such as these are to ALLOW the musician to concentrate on making MUSIC, rather than have to consciously worry about this pedalboard, that pedalboard, this manual configuation, that manual configuration, where the hell's the swell shoes on THIS beast, and so on.&nbsp; Thus standardized, the mind is freed of some of this burden, and the true job at hand, musical interpretation, can take that much more conscious &quot;brain power&quot;.&nbsp; Simply throwing willy-nilly console designs at the player does nothing but pump up the egos of self-styled organ designers and those that place visual asthetics over functionality.<br> <br> <blockquote type=3D3Dcite class=3D3Dcite cite><font face=3D3D"arial" = size=3D3D2>If y=3D ou cannot make music on the instrument in front of you, the problem is=3D20 <br> yours, not the organbuilders. &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Wrong...see above and below.<br> <br> <font size=3D3D2>From the dawn of the Industrial Revolution through the present, consideration to such issues as related to the workplace was given in a myriad of studies and reveiws by such industrial giants as AT&amp;T, General Motors, Ford, General Electric and many other companies involved in both manufacturing and service work.&nbsp; Without going into thesis depth on references to these (and avoiding, for the whole issue of ergonomics, which &quot;The Shrub&quot; and his minions don't think exists), it was found time after time that work tools and procedures that had consistency in design held the highest hope for repeatability in quality and avoidance of worker injury.&nbsp; Mixed results were had in the Bell System in the 20th century, where many pieces of telephone switching and transmission equipment were standardized in user interface and function, where others were not.<br> <br> A Bell Telephone Labs study of the 1910s found that in instances where certain central office equipment had standardized controls and test access points, ability of technicians to easily perform work in various offices all over the country could easily be attained.&nbsp; In instances were equipment was &quot;custom designed&quot; to fit whims and fancies of local engineers, problems were encountered with training and operating errors if field forces from other areas were to transfer in or be brought in to alleviate temporary workload imbalances.&nbsp; Thus, a standardized training package could be developed to cover standardized pieces of equipment (all of which reinforces the &quot;system&quot; in Bell System), and technicians from anywhere in the country could operated equipment anywhere in the system if need be, all with a fairly reliable incidence of success.<br> <br> This, of course, is simple logic at work.&nbsp; The tranference of the telephone plant experience to the job of an organist is directly transferable.&nbsp; Having standardized controls, a properly trained organist can perform with these controls with a fairly well-assured guaranty of success.&nbsp; Lack of standards simply puts more &quot;non-productive&quot; work (meaning here, &quot;non-musical&quot;) in the player's way, which must be dealt with above and beyond immediate musical concerns.<br> <br> Faced with this knowledge, why, then, are organ people so hide bound towards illogical decisions, such as non-standard &quot;controls&quot; and anachronistic tonal schemes and actions?&nbsp; It would seem to me that the basic &quot;artistic temperament&quot; arrises here, but not where it SHOULD be arising.&nbsp; This temperament is best put to work on MUSICAL issues, NOT mechanical ones.&nbsp; It is indeed widespread knowledge that performing organists are, in many cases, completely clueless about things mechanical or electrical, and thus, it would seem that issues regarding the mechanical interface between player and instrument be best left to people and philosophies that deal more to the point of mundune, but still equally important, mechanical issues.&nbsp; One could point to precisely that as being the reason for the RCO, and later, AGO standards...basic mechanical and &quot;interface&quot; concerns are eliminated, allowing the musician to focus on making MUSIC...not dealing with mechanical non-conformity.<br> <br> In closing, one must remember that J.S. Bach, possibly one of the most logical musical composers that ever lived, was himself both a stellar performer in his day, AND one who indeed advocated standardization in areas of standard pitch AND temperament.&nbsp; The human experience of the times hadn't realized the benefit of mechanical standardization, due to being primarily an agrarian society whose preoccupation with things mechanical was still at an infantile stage.<br> <br> </font><font face=3D3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D3D2>AS to DeserTBoBs = hygiene, well, I will leave that to those who know you <br> <blockquote type=3D3Dcite class=3D3Dcite cite>better :-)</font><font face=3D3D"arial" size=3D3D2> &lt;SNIP!&gt;</font></blockquote><br> ....as IF someone from an area that considers beer and cheese to be staples doesn't leave an odorous trail here and there!<br> <br> DeserTBoB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595713= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other things From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:16:59 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595863= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 01:05 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >And sometimes, the organist for whom I'm subbing will leave me a warning = - >like "don't touch XYXY stop - it sets the chimes off!" <snip>   See? Organists have ENOUGH to worry about without having to deal with non-standard mechanical interfaces!   DeserTBoB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595863= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> At 01:05 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"arial" = color=3D"#0000A0">And sometimes, the organist for whom I'm subbing will leave me a warning - like &quot;don't touch XYXY stop - it sets the chimes off!&quot; &lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> See?&nbsp; Organists have ENOUGH to worry about without having to deal with non-standard mechanical interfaces!<br> <br> DeserTBoB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13595863= =3D=3D_.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Blue Man / Uakti From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 15:19:22 -0800   At 02:37 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Blue Man Group is a performance group which features music played on PVC >and drum heads with water<snip>   Los Angeles area residents (and those that can get the Times) will find a feature article on the Blue Man Group in today's Calendar section. Interesting read!   dB