PipeChat Digest #1862 - Tuesday, March 6, 2001
 
Re: Pedaling and Other Things-Univ. of Michigan
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Pedaling and Other Things-Univ. of Michigan
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Pedaling, logic, standards and cheese.
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: More about Estey
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
Re: console standards
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: console standards
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Concert works for Organ and Orchestra...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: console standards
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Concert works for Organ and Orchestra...
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things-Univ. of Michigan From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:42:56 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A5CE.01125AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Well, gee, according to Robert Glasgow, enrollment is not what it was = twe=3D nty years ago when I was a college freshman. I was in Ann Arbor last = sum=3D mer and there haven't been any new practice organs installed since David = =3D Moore's instruments in the early 1980s. =3D20   Who's your source?       ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackson R. Williams II Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 4:21 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things-Univ. of Michigan     No, the University of Michigan has sold a few practice organs because they are being replaced by new ones. Michigan's organ department enrollement still remains high.   --- Ray Ahrens <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> wrote: > Not to continually beat a dead horse, organ > enrollment is down EVERYWHERE! The University of > Michigan has sold off a few practice organs because > there aren't enough students to play them. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Scarborough > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 6:14 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things > > > At 05:41 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >It would seem to the casual observer that it is an > important message for > >such a respected organ school as Oberlin to specify > their students learn > >the straight pedal board exclusively while > there.<snip> > > It's also interesting to the casual observer that > Oberlin's organ > department is in danger of closing now, due to lack > of new > enrollments. Gee...I wonder why? Could it be due > to the trashing of the > old Pufinny Hall organ and installation of that > "retro-pufad" silliness, > along with a "retro-pufad" curriculum? Nawwwww... > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get > your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a > href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A5CE.01125AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Well, gee, = acc=3D ording to Robert Glasgow, enrollment is not what it was twenty years ago = =3D when I was a college freshman.&nbsp; I was in Ann Arbor last summer and = t=3D here haven't been any new practice organs installed since David Moore's = i=3D nstruments in the early 1980s.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Who's = =3D your source?<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE = style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT=3D : 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = soli=3D d; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original = Mes=3D sage -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; = FON=3D T-COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>&nbsp;Jackson R. Williams II</DIV> <DIV = style=3D =3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Monday, March 05, 2001 4:21 = AM</D=3D IV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV = s=3D tyle=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: Pedaling and Other = Thi=3D ngs-Univ. of Michigan</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>No, the University of = Michigan=3D has sold a few practice<BR>organs because they are being replaced by new=3D ones.<BR>Michigan's organ department enrollement still = remains<BR>high.<=3D BR><BR>--- Ray Ahrens &lt;Ray_Ahrens@msn.com&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; Not to = co=3D ntinually beat a dead horse, organ<BR>&gt; enrollment is down = EVERYWHERE!=3D &nbsp; The University of<BR>&gt; Michigan has sold off a few practice = org=3D ans because<BR>&gt; there aren't enough students to play = them.<BR>&gt;<BR=3D >&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: Bob = Scar=3D borough<BR>&gt; Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 6:14 PM<BR>&gt; To: = PipeChat=3D <BR>&gt; Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; = A=3D t 05:41 PM 3/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;It would seem to the = ca=3D sual observer that it is an<BR>&gt; important message for<BR>&gt; = &gt;suc=3D h a respected organ school as Oberlin to specify<BR>&gt; their students = l=3D earn<BR>&gt; &gt;the straight pedal board exclusively while<BR>&gt; = there=3D ..&lt;snip&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; It's also interesting to the casual = observe=3D r that<BR>&gt; Oberlin's organ<BR>&gt; department is in danger of = closing=3D now, due to lack<BR>&gt; of new<BR>&gt; enrollments.&nbsp; Gee...I = wonde=3D r why?&nbsp; Could it be due<BR>&gt; to the trashing of the<BR>&gt; old = P=3D ufinny Hall organ and installation of that<BR>&gt; "retro-pufad" = sillines=3D s,<BR>&gt; along with a "retro-pufad" curriculum?&nbsp; = Nawwwww...<BR>&gt=3D ;<BR>&gt; dB<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>&gt; = Pipe=3D Chat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital<BR>&gt; organs = &amp;=3D related topics<BR>&gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>&gt; List: = =3D mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:admin@p=3D ipechat.org<BR>&gt; Subscribe/Unsubscribe:<BR>&gt; = mailto:requests@pipech=3D at.org&lt;br clear=3D3Dall&gt;&lt;hr&gt;Get<BR>&gt; your FREE download of = M=3D SN Explorer at = &lt;a<BR>&gt;<BR>href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com"&gt;http:=3D //explorer.msn.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR>_____= =3D _____________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Get = em=3D ail at your own domain with Yahoo! = Mail.<BR>http://personal.mail.yahoo.co=3D m/<BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion = L=3D ist for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : = http://www=3D ..pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration:&nb=3D sp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailto:requ=3D ests@pipechat.org<BR><BR> = <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR>=3D <br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"=3D http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A5CE.01125AC0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling and Other Things-Univ. of Michigan From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:57:34 EST     --part1_8a.33f0d8f.27d5d64e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Another point to consider -- colleges and universities were churning out musicians by the zillions, good, bad or indifferent, back in the 70s and = 80s. I remember people in music school that shouldn't have been there, but = they really couldn't do much of anything else either. But they could schmooze their way thru school and church jobs until they came to a point where ability really did count for something!!   Not sure where that was going, but...I think it's time for organists and church musicians to begin to insist on decent wages for what we do, especially since the music schools are no longer churning out as many as = they did.   'nuff said, I done.   Neil B             --part1_8a.33f0d8f.27d5d64e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Another point to = consider -- colleges and universities were churning out <BR>musicians by the zillions, good, bad or indifferent, back in the 70s = and 80s. <BR>&nbsp;I remember people in music school that shouldn't have been = there, but they <BR>really couldn't do much of anything else either. &nbsp;But they could = schmooze <BR>their way thru school and church jobs until they came to a point where =   <BR>ability really did count for something!! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Not sure where that was going, but...I think it's time for organists = and <BR>church musicians to begin to insist on decent wages for what we do, <BR>especially since the music schools are no longer churning out as many = as they <BR>did. <BR> <BR>'nuff said, I done. <BR> <BR>Neil B <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_8a.33f0d8f.27d5d64e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedaling, logic, standards and cheese. From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 00:02:20 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A5D0.B690D6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable         >About as illogical response as any, I'd reckon.   Not nearly as illogical as the constant regurgitation of one's = unfortunat=3D e history with a certain phone company.<br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE = =3D download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://ex=3D plorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A5D0.B690D6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV><BR></DIV> = <DI=3D V><BR>&gt;About as illogical response as any, I'd reckon.</DIV> = <DIV>&nbs=3D p;</DIV> <DIV>Not nearly as illogical as the constant regurgitation of = on=3D e's unfortunate history with a certain phone = company.</DIV></BODY></HTML>=3D <DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = <a=3D href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DI= =3D V>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A5D0.B690D6E0--  
(back) Subject: Re: More about Estey From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 01:46:57 EST     --part1_3d.8518429.27d5e1e1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/01 9:23:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > So as we speak, the Estey sits high and dry in storage, and I hope > to retrieve it sometime this summer. Maybe some of it's 70 years of > proximity to God will rub off on me, <grin> >   If you reassemble it in its original form, probably it will. If you mess = with it, you'd better learn to play the accordion!:-)   Mick Berg.   --part1_3d.8518429.27d5e1e1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 3/4/01 9:23:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So as we speak, = the Estey sits high and dry in storage, and I hope <BR>to retrieve it sometime this summer. Maybe some of it's 70 years of <BR>proximity to God will rub off on me, &lt;grin&gt; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>If you reassemble it in its original form, probably it will. If you = mess with <BR>it, you'd better learn to play the accordion!:-) <BR> <BR>Mick Berg.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3d.8518429.27d5e1e1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: console standards From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:45:56 +0800   Thank you Bruce. We have those but they are called something else here. Not always very polite!   We would not have more than one power failure in a year and then often because some silly driver, who has been bending the elbow, knocks over a pole. Now with power rapidly going underground in this region of OZ, most of the reasons for outages are rapidly disappearing.   Do you seriously enjoy getting some poor mutt to come and hand pump the organ for 2 hours while you practise? I'll keep the electric pump thank you. It won't fall asleep when I pause for a little refreshment half way through. Oh!! You use the beagles!! Fair enough! My dog refuses to do the job! Hides behind the workshop. Bob E.  
(back) Subject: Re: console standards From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:15:02 -0800   At 09:52 AM 3/6/2001 +0800, you wrote: >What's a stairmaster????<snip>   "Stairmaster"=AE is an American trade name for an exercise gadget consisting= =20 of two treadles, of which one decends gradually under the weight of the=20 exerciser, whilst bringing the other, unloaded one up, whereupon the weight= =20 is transfer to that one, whereupon the cycle is repeated endlessly...or=20 until the exerciser drops from cardiac arrest. The effect is that of=20 climbing a never ending staircase, except that the excerciser never gets=20 anywhere! However, such a contrivance could be mated to the windbags of=20 one of those "retro-organs" now in favor in various quarters, thus allowing= =20 the exerciser to produce wind (for the organ, of course) whilst sweating=20 off the pounds. One could also attach said treadles to a flywheel which is= =20 thence connected by a geared transmission to a small alternator, thus=20 providing emergency AC power in the event of an outage!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Concert works for Organ and Orchestra... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:22:07 -0800   At 09:36 PM 3/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Besides, you'd never find it anyway. It's been out of print = forever.<snip>   ....as have all of Yon's works. I don't know who has the publishing = rights to his compositions, but I'd be pretty assured they're in the public = domain by now. I believe the last copyright dates were from date of first release, long since lapsed, and Yon's been gone for the requisite 50 = years, I'm sure. Thus, someone could indeed reissue them as uncopyrighted material, should they dare.   DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Re: console standards From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 23:25:23 -0800   At 09:50 PM 3/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: >That seems to be changing...<g><snip>   Actually, here in my part of Southern California Edison's territory, there =   has been not one outage attributed to the current "Texan crisis" in California's power generation industry. It seems all the rolling = blackouts have been up in PG&E territory. However, the salt air in BuuD-by-the-Beach's neighborhood does indeed foster more frequent short-range outages on 12 KV distribution lines due to arc-over. Either that, or BuuD's losing his glasses a lot!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Concert works for Organ and Orchestra... From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:35:42 -0500   Yon's "Concerto Gregoriano" was copyright 1920, and the solo organ arrangement was copyright 1921. Yon died in 1943. The opinions expressed = by Bob are not shared by everyone. His opinions are his own.   Carlo