PipeChat Digest #1869 - Thursday, March 8, 2001
 
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell, and the conservatives
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: hand pumping
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1868 - 03/08/01
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
hand pumping, "Cool Whip" air
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell, and the conservatives From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 10:56:39 -0800   Bob Acker wrote:   > As concerned as I am with the picketing, I am also concerned that this = forum > is used for yet another opportunity to bash everyone and everything > conservative, including the new administration. I consider myself > conservative, yet this anticipated picket against the concert is as = abhorent > to me as it is to all persons who believe in respect for one another. > Comments such as "As an old-time labor union guy, I've got LOTS of = ideas, > all of which would guarantee no pickets at the Hell recital..." only = serve > to inflame the situation and are to me as wrong as the threat of a = picketing > action which prompted the discussion. Such rhetoric can only serve to > escalate the emotions that lead to dangerous confrontations that none of = us > would want.   I KNOW David doesn't want us to get into a flame war about this, but I = would point out the following: hate crimes of ALL kinds, PARTICULARLY those = against people of "different" sexual orientation, have escalated geometrically in = recent years, particularly in your home state of Texas. Texas has the highest = number of gay bashings and hate crimes against women and minorities in the nation. = Texas is also the Buckle of the Bible Belt. Is there a connection? You can bet = your Scofield Reference Bible there is!   I lay the blame squarely on the doorstep of the Religious "Right" and the ultra-conservative wing of the Republican Party. When the Republican = Senate Majority Leader can stand in the well of the Senate and compare us to kleptomaniacs and alcoholics in a policy speech WITH THE SUPPORT OF HIS = PARTY, you can't tell me that people aren't going to REACT.   A parallel example: a person of color was murdered in the Northwest some = years ago. The murderers were associated with a particular branch of the White Supremacy Movement, based in Southern California. The leader of that group = was eventually indicted (AND convicted) as an accessory to murder because it = was HIS inflammatory speeches and writings that incited the murderers to COMMIT = murder.   Verbal gay-bashing leads to physical gay-bashing, and it is the Right Wing = that has created the climate in which both are allowed to flourish.   Bud Clark    
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:14:36 -0800   I flunked physics (grin), but it has been explained to me that it has to = do with the higher static pressure produced by an electric blower.   "Flexible" wind does NOT mean "unsteady" wind, as some of the respondents = on this list would have us believe. As long as the reservoir is raised, = whether by hand or by blower, the wind is THERE. The difference is that the organ tends to "breathe" with = hand-pumping, as it takes slightly longer to completely refill the = reservoir after a big chord (for instance).   It's really kinda difficult to explain unless you have the opportunity to = hear and play an organ with both feeders and a blower, and have a chance = to compare the two. But you CAN hear the difference.   Cheers,   Bud   support@opensystemsorgans.com wrote:   > Even though I'm working on a type of digital organ technology, I'm = actually a fan of tracker action, and if hand pumping really makes the = instrument sound better, then I'm a fan of that. > > But why is hand pumping better? Whatever's wrong with electric blowers = must be pretty simple. Is it a problem with regulation? There's got to = be an easy fix. > > Dick Meckstroth > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:11:52 EST     --part1_28.122cc4df.27d93378_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   i dont' think it's fair to blame the entire right wing. Nor do I think organists should automatically expect immunity from this kind of = tomfoolery.   Everytime we have a holocaust service here in our town, there is one = arabic man that pickets, no matter where it is. He's always there, he doesn't = cause trouble, but he's there. No big deal.   Hopefully, these phelps folks will just be there and state their case peacefully. They have that right in US after all.   The church needs to be aware that this kind of stuff is going to happen = more and more often -- good bad or indifferent.   Neil Brown     --part1_28.122cc4df.27d93378_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>i dont' think it's fair = to blame the entire right wing. &nbsp;Nor do I think <BR>organists should automatically expect immunity from this kind of = tomfoolery. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Everytime we have a holocaust service here in our town, there is one = arabic <BR>man that pickets, no matter where it is. &nbsp;He's always there, he = doesn't cause <BR>trouble, but he's there. &nbsp;No big deal. <BR> <BR>Hopefully, these phelps folks will just be there and state their case <BR>peacefully. &nbsp;They have that right in US after all. <BR> <BR>The church needs to be aware that this kind of stuff is going to = happen more <BR>and more often -- good bad or indifferent. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_28.122cc4df.27d93378_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:22:22 -0800   Hmm, a PRETTY fine distinction, don't you think, Bob E?   It was the TEACHINGS of the RC church that fueled the Inquisition; it was the TEACHINGS of the Puritan church that fueled the Salem witch trials; it is the TEACHINGS of Mohammedism that is fueling world-wide terrorism = today.   Conservative religious leaders make lukewarm disavowals of Fred Phelps ... "Oh, he's not a SOUTHERN Baptist", but then those same leaders (in the = case of the Baptists) "disfellowship" any church or pastor who disagrees with their radical anti-gay TEACHINGS.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Elms wrote:   > NO Bob, not religion. It was people who caused all those wars and they > did it under the guise of religion. That is not the same thing you know. > Bob E. > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > > > > All through history, religion has caused a good percentage of the wars > > of the world. When coupled with political power, it becomes even more > > deadly. > > > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:18:52 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A7D2.51C4DA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Can someone tell me how to find the pipechat list please?       ----- Original Message ----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:20 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas     Hmm, a PRETTY fine distinction, don't you think, Bob E?   It was the TEACHINGS of the RC church that fueled the Inquisition; it was the TEACHINGS of the Puritan church that fueled the Salem witch trials; = i=3D t is the TEACHINGS of Mohammedism that is fueling world-wide terrorism = toda=3D y.   Conservative religious leaders make lukewarm disavowals of Fred Phelps = ..=3D .. "Oh, he's not a SOUTHERN Baptist", but then those same leaders (in the = ca=3D se of the Baptists) "disfellowship" any church or pastor who disagrees with their radical anti-gay TEACHINGS.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Elms wrote:   > NO Bob, not religion. It was people who caused all those wars and they > did it under the guise of religion. That is not the same thing you = know=3D .. > Bob E. > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > > > > All through history, religion has caused a good percentage of the = war=3D s > > of the world. When coupled with political power, it becomes even = mor=3D e > > deadly. > > > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A7D2.51C4DA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Can someone = te=3D ll me how to find the pipechat list please?<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> = <BL=3D OCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px=3D ; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV = style=3D3D"FONT:=3D 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND:=3D #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; FONT-COLOR: = black"><B>From:</B>&nbsp;quilisma=3D @socal.rr.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Thu=3D rsday, March 08, 2001 1:20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>To=3D :</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>Subject:</B>=3D &nbsp;Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas</DIV> = <DIV><BR></DI=3D V>Hmm, a PRETTY fine distinction, don't you think, Bob E?<BR><BR>It was = t=3D he TEACHINGS of the RC church that fueled the Inquisition; it was<BR>the = =3D TEACHINGS of the Puritan church that fueled the Salem witch trials; = it<BR=3D >is the TEACHINGS of Mohammedism that is fueling world-wide terrorism = tod=3D ay.<BR><BR>Conservative religious leaders make lukewarm disavowals of = Fre=3D d Phelps ...<BR>"Oh, he's not a SOUTHERN Baptist", but then those same = le=3D aders (in the case<BR>of the Baptists) "disfellowship" any church or = past=3D or who disagrees with<BR>their radical anti-gay = TEACHINGS.<BR><BR>Cheers,=3D <BR><BR>Bud<BR><BR>Bob Elms wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; NO Bob, not religion. It = w=3D as people who caused all those wars and they<BR>&gt; did it under the = gui=3D se of religion. That is not the same thing you know.<BR>&gt; Bob = E.<BR>&g=3D t;<BR>&gt; Bob Scarborough wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; = =3D All through history, religion has caused a good percentage of the = wars<BR=3D >&gt; &gt; of the world.&nbsp; When coupled with political power, it = beco=3D mes even more<BR>&gt; &gt; deadly.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; DeserTBoB<BR=3D >&gt;<BR>&gt; "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>&gt; PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; = dis=3D cussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>&gt; = HOMEPAG=3D E : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>&gt; List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR=3D >&gt; Administration:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; = Subscribe/U=3D nsubscribe:&nbsp; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR><BR>"Pipe Up and = Be=3D Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital = orga=3D ns &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = ma=3D ilto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:admin@pipechat=3D ..org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR>=3D <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get = y=3D our FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">=3D http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A7D2.51C4DA00--  
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:11:28 -0800   At 06:41 AM 3/8/2001 -0800, you wrote: >But why is hand pumping better?<snip>   It isn't. You've been duped.   > Whatever's wrong with electric blowers must be pretty simple. Is it a =   > problem with regulation?<snip>   There's no "problem" with modern blowers and sprung regulators; in fact, these design cured many of the real problems with hand raised wind, and later, weighted regulators, that is, steady constant wind instead of the calliope-like presentations of obsolete instruments.   I suggest that someone who likes this "effect" get themselves and = accordion.   DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 14:28:08 EST     --part1_8f.7e1ca64.27d93748_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This is highly off topic, but people are people. There are as many = radical pro-gay as anti. There are as many racist African Americans as white. = There are as many musical snobs who love gospel as there are who love classical. =   People are people. Sin is sin regardless of who does it. Racism is = racism, regardless of who holds it. Hate is hate, and that is anti-God, period. = God is love.   I may not like what you do, but as a Christian I am supposed to love you. =   Love does not mean accepting behavior or attitudes, just accepting the person.   My conservative views make me no less loving than another person's views. =   And my sin is still sin!!   A few months ago, some, in this list, were more concerned about organ = pipes being wielded against a terrorist in a German church than we were about = those poor parishioners that had to endure that attack!! Pipes can be = replaced, people cannot.   I think the teenagers have it right. We need more WWJD in every aspect of =   our lives, mine included.   I'm done, and ducking. Neil Brown   --part1_8f.7e1ca64.27d93748_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is highly off = topic, but people are people. &nbsp;There are as many radical <BR>pro-gay as anti. &nbsp;There are as many racist African Americans as = white. &nbsp;There <BR>are as many musical snobs who love gospel as there are who love = classical. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>People are people. &nbsp;Sin is sin regardless of who does it. = &nbsp;Racism is racism, <BR>regardless of who holds it. &nbsp;Hate is hate, and that is anti-God, = period. &nbsp;God <BR>is love. <BR> <BR>I may not like what you do, but as a Christian I am supposed to love = you. &nbsp; <BR>Love does not mean accepting behavior or attitudes, just accepting the =   <BR>person. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>My conservative views make me no less loving than another person's = views. &nbsp; <BR>And my sin is still sin!! <BR> <BR>A few months ago, some, in this list, were more concerned about organ = pipes <BR>being wielded against a terrorist in a German church than we were = about those <BR>poor parishioners that had to endure that attack!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pipes can be replaced, <BR>people cannot. <BR> <BR>I think the teenagers have it right. &nbsp;We need more WWJD in every = aspect of <BR>our lives, mine included. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I'm done, and ducking. <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8f.7e1ca64.27d93748_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:31:49 -0800   At 09:29 AM 3/8/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I am also concerned that this forum is used for yet another opportunity = to >bash everyone and everything conservative, including the new >administration. <snip>   A Texan...oh WELL!   >Such rhetoric can only serve to escalate the emotions that lead to >dangerous confrontations that none of us would want.<snip>   Go ahead and bury your head in the calliche, BushyBoy. These people will NOT quit until there's a deciding confrontation, whether it be = orchestrated by the FBI or others. These people are as ideologically driven by hatred and intolerance as were the Nazis of the late '30s...and look what had to happen THERE to get rid of THEM! You can also see where the KKK down in your neck of the woods wasn't quelled until the FBI "cointelpro" = operations of the 1960s and '70s decimated them by turning their own tactics in onto themselves.   As far as Master Hell is concerned, if he goes ahead with the recital, it would be all for the best, not only to those who want to hear him, but to show the "cattle" out there that an artist of high stature won't be swayed =   by the antics of the ultra right wing. Meanwhile, however, these goofs will continue picketing and gaining supporters from the trailer trash crowd. There WILL be a deciding confrontation somewhere down the line, whether overt or covert remains to be seen.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:59:13 -0600   I think I missed something here. Why in the world would anyone want to picket a Felix Hell program. What is their point...they don't like young talent and good music. Maybe they should invest the money and buy one of those CCM CDs advertised on = ABC TV all night and leave Felix alone.   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1868 - 03/08/01 From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:14:03 EST     --part1_79.1142089b.27d9420b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   RE: Felix Hell concert in Topeka. I just exchanged E-Mail with a close friend of mine who is a fundamentalist minister. He said that "God does = hate fags". I asked him where he picked up this nonsense from and he said it's = in the Bible. Of course, I remember when he was in his seminary and he told = me I was going to go to hell unless I repented of my sins and reformed my = ways and found "The True Church" that he's part of (Church of the 4 Square = Gospel - Aimee Semple McPherson's church) and because I'm Roman Catholic and = worship the Mother of Christ (where do these people pick up this rubbish???) I'm = hell bound in a New York minute. Of course, this raised up my Catholic hackles =   (We have our faults and my church has made a lot of mistakes over the = years but we do try to atone for our sins.) and of course he will never bring up =   that subject to me ever again after my piece of "fire and brimstone" that = I laid on him. But I have found that people of this ilk are taught that in their schools and churches and have found that conflict resolves more than =   the power of God's love. Felix's response to them says more than any of their signs, provocative shouts and obscene gestures than anything I could =   say. By the way, Felix is right. God Bless You Pal!   Dennis Russell   --part1_79.1142089b.27d9420b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>RE: &nbsp;Felix Hell = concert in Topeka. &nbsp;I just exchanged E-Mail with a close <BR>friend of mine who is a fundamentalist minister. &nbsp;He said that = "God does hate <BR>fags". &nbsp;I asked him where he picked up this nonsense from and he = said it's in <BR>the Bible. &nbsp;Of course, I remember when he was in his seminary and = he told me <BR>I was going to go to hell unless I repented of my sins and reformed my = ways <BR>and found "The True Church" that he's part of (Church of the 4 Square = Gospel <BR>- Aimee Semple McPherson's church) and because I'm Roman Catholic and = worship <BR>the Mother of Christ (where do these people pick up this rubbish???) = I'm hell <BR>bound in a New York minute. &nbsp;Of course, this raised up my = Catholic hackles <BR>(We have our faults and my church has made a lot of mistakes over the = years <BR>but we do try to atone for our sins.) and of course he will never = bring up <BR>that subject to me ever again after my piece of "fire and brimstone" = that I <BR>laid on him. &nbsp;But I have found that people of this ilk are taught = that in <BR>their schools and churches and have found that conflict resolves more = than <BR>the power of God's love. &nbsp;Felix's response to them says more than = any of <BR>their signs, provocative shouts and obscene gestures than anything I = could <BR>say. &nbsp;By the way, Felix is right. &nbsp;God Bless You Pal! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Dennis Russell &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_79.1142089b.27d9420b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: hand pumping, "Cool Whip" air From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:59:21 -0800   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_4603327= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 01:36 PM 3/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hand pumping produces the wind that is necessary for what is being played = at >that moment. A blower is producing much more wind than is necessary, = and >it's stored and regulated in the reservoirs. For some reason, the >turbulence is transmitted to the pipe, I suppose because when the organ = is >being played, wind goes directly from the blower, through the reservoir, = and >through the pipe, carrying with it turbulent air.<snip>   Anyone that's ever used a manometer knows THIS ain't gonna fly!   >I have listened to a single held note on several stops and the turbulence = is >perceptible to me. Overall it may not be as obvious, but there is, as a >result of the "soft air" a more gentle sound to the organ. It's = something >that isn't readily obvious and , much like unequal temperament and good >scotch, is likely a cultivated experience.<snip>   With hyperbole like this, bReWsE should start hawking cubic zirconium on = QVC!   "Soft air"...indeed! Certainly, there are bad organs out there where poor =   chest and/or regulator design may cause "turbulence", but most time, it = can be traced to unsteady wind due to heavily wieghted (not sprung) regulators =   going into hysteresis. The inertia of regulator weights at rest prevents them from responding promptly to pressure drops and rises, whereas the kinetic energy stored in springs will. One must remember that gases are = in themselves elastic, and thus will store kinetic energy. Thus, one must = use other kinetic forces to effective regulate it, rather than gravity acting against the inertia of heavy objects at rest. The effect of an over weighted regulator can be one of a minor tremulant, should it be rapid enough, and can be seen as the regulator cycles up and down while a note = or cluster of notes is held. "Turbulence", the presense of rapid directional =   currents in the air, rarely really happens unless thes chests are of very poor design or are extraordinarily small in volume. Most of what the unscientific organist hears as "turbulence" is really poor pressure = regulation.   "Overweighting" a regulator is the typical "organ cobbler"'s first line of =   defense when trying to get higher wind out of regulators with old, weak springs, as it provides pressure rise without having to go through the trouble of resetting or replacing the springs. Thus, one can see tops of regulators with stage weights, bricks, angle iron or anything of any considerable mass. One lister once reported a regulator with a real kitchen sink sitting on it! Having a small amount of weight in = conjunction with springs, of course, can provide a certain amount of "pressure rise" = on heavy demand, which can be musically effective if done properly.   DeserTBoB --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_4603327= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html> At 01:36 PM 3/8/2001 -0500, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3D3Dcite class=3D3Dcite cite><font face=3D3D"Arial, = Helvetica" si=3D ze=3D3D2>Hand pumping produces the wind that is necessary for what is being played at <br> that moment.&nbsp;&nbsp; A blower is producing much more wind than is necessary, and <br> it's stored and regulated in the reservoirs.&nbsp;&nbsp; For some reason, the <br> turbulence is transmitted to the pipe, I suppose because when the organ is <br> being played, wind goes directly from the blower, through the reservoir, and <br> through the pipe, carrying with it turbulent air.&lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> Anyone that's ever used a manometer knows THIS ain't gonna fly!<br> <br> <blockquote type=3D3Dcite class=3D3Dcite cite><font face=3D3D"Arial, = Helvetica" si=3D ze=3D3D2>I have listened to a single held note on several stops and the turbulence is <br> perceptible to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; Overall it may not be as obvious, but there is, as a <br> result of the &quot;soft air&quot; a more gentle sound to the organ.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's something <br> that isn't readily obvious and , much like unequal temperament and good <br> scotch, is likely a cultivated experience.&lt;snip&gt;</font></blockquote><br> With hyperbole like this, bReWsE should start hawking cubic zirconium on QVC!<br> <br> &quot;Soft air&quot;...indeed!&nbsp; Certainly, there are bad organs out there where poor chest and/or regulator design may cause &quot;turbulence&quot;, but most time, it can be traced to unsteady wind due to heavily wieghted (not sprung) regulators going into hysteresis.&nbsp; The inertia of regulator weights at rest prevents them from responding promptly to pressure drops and rises, whereas the kinetic energy stored in springs will.&nbsp; One must remember that gases are in themselves elastic, and thus will store kinetic energy.&nbsp; Thus, one must use other kinetic forces to effective regulate it, rather than gravity acting against the inertia of heavy objects at rest.&nbsp; The effect of an over weighted regulator can be one of a minor tremulant, should it be rapid enough, and can be seen as the regulator cycles up and down while a note or cluster of notes is held.&nbsp; &quot;Turbulence&quot;, the presense of rapid directional currents in the air, rarely really happens unless thes chests are of very poor design or are extraordinarily small in volume.&nbsp; Most of what the unscientific organist hears as &quot;turbulence&quot; is really poor pressure regulation.<br> <br> &quot;Overweighting&quot; a regulator is the typical &quot;organ cobbler&quot;'s first line of defense when trying to get higher wind out of regulators with old, weak springs, as it provides pressure rise without having to go through the trouble of resetting or replacing the springs.&nbsp; Thus, one can see tops of regulators with stage weights, bricks, angle iron or anything of any considerable mass.&nbsp; One lister once reported a regulator with a real kitchen sink sitting on it!&nbsp; Having a small amount of weight in conjunction with springs, of course, can provide a certain amount of &quot;pressure rise&quot; on heavy demand, which can be musically effective if done properly.<br> <br> DeserTBoB</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_4603327= =3D=3D_.ALT--