PipeChat Digest #1871 - Thursday, March 8, 2001
 
is hate speech protected speech? should it be?
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: Lent 1 x-posted
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
is hate speech protected speech? How 'bout Diane Bish mutilating  Mul=E9t
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: is hate speech protected speech? How 'bout Diane Bis h mutilating Mul
  by "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: is hate speech protected speech? should it be? From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 14:47:01 -0800     --------------3114C44009FCFEF55656E80F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Mozart609@aol.com wrote:   (snip)   > I think that a law should be past that states: Groups such as the > "Phelps" > crowd can have their opinions BUT cannot not use word like "fag ." I'm > not > just saying this only about the homosexual community but also other > groups > such as African-Americian, Mexican and so on and so on. People have > come up > with some nasty names for people in the history of mankind. Frankly it > should > stop. I took notice of the fact that on just about every church that > was to > be picketed, the name of the church had "FAG" in it. I find that > TOTALLY > unacceptable and quite offensive. > > (snip) > > I think that if this man and his "disciples" keep this term "FAG" > up...they > should be fined or go to Jail. Freedom of speech is one thing but when > it is > abused to the point where it hurts someone.....then that is when the > LAW > needs to step in. >   This puts liberals like me on the horns of a dilemma ... a famous Supreme Court justice (whose name I can't remember) said the REAL test of the First Amendment comes when you have to defend (AND allow) the speech of those whose ideas you find abhorrent.   The ACLU fell on the same sword when they found themselves (rightly, I believe) defending the right of neo-nazis to march in a community that was heavily populated with Jews AND Holocaust survivors. As a result, many Jewish ACLU members cancelled their membership.   But the right of free speech MUST BE virtually inviolate. Another Justice said that it is the exposure to the bright light of reason and good will that will cause hateful ideas to wither and die.   OTOH, there is case-law (the white supremacist I talked about earlier) that supports the notion that hate speech is NOT protected if it can be proved that there is a DIRECT connection between such speech and a violent act ... in the case of the white supremacist, the murder of a man of color.   Some gay people have tried to take back the "f.." word, just as radical Black activists have tried to take back the "n....." word, with limited success. I use the "f.." word around gay friends, but NOBODY had better use it in a PEJORATIVE way around me (grin)!   I think the VAST majority of Americans, Left and Right, find Phelps' activities horrifyingly inappropriate, to put it mildly. Their performance at Matthew Shepard's funeral was broadcast worldwide ... now, let's stop and look logically at that chain of events: a young man is brutally murdered in a particularly horrifying way ... never mind the alleged reasons ... but instead of picketing the trial of his murderers with messages of retribution and judgment (which at least could be partially justified from Old Testament texts), instead, Phelps and his followers picket the funeral of the VICTIM with messages of hate, judgment, damnation, hell-fire, etc.   If there are Christians out there who believe THAT is appropriate, then I TRULY fear for my life, and the lives of my friends.   In fact, I have started to be MUCH more careful about my movements since the current wave of hate crimes began ... I carry a cell phone at all times; I don't use the ATM at night; I ALWAYS drive with the windows up and the doors locked; I don't venture into strange neighborhoods after dark for ANY reason; I stay OUT of areas (like Santee, CA, where the recent high school shootings took place) that are known hangouts of white supremacists, skinheads, and gay bashers; I DON'T show affection for other men in public for ANY reason; I pay ATTENTION to groups of young men who are nearby in the parking lot of the grocery store, etc.   Not a particularly pleasant way to live.   Bud Clark   --------------3114C44009FCFEF55656E80F Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Mozart609@aol.com wrote: <p>(snip) <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font = color=3D"#800080"><font size=3D+0>I think that a law should be past that states: Groups such as the = "Phelps"</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>crowd can have their opinions BUT cannot not use word like "fag ." I'm = not</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>just saying this only about the homosexual community but also other = groups</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>such as African-Americian, Mexican and so on and so on. People have come = up</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>with some nasty names for people in the history of mankind. Frankly it = should</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>stop. I took notice of the fact that on just about every church that was = to</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>be picketed, the name of the church had "FAG" in it. I find that = TOTALLY</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>unacceptable and quite offensive.</font></font></font></b> <p><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>(snip)</font></font></font></b> <p><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>I think that if this man and his "disciples" keep this term "FAG" = up...they</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>should be fined or go to Jail. Freedom of speech is one thing but when it = is</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>abused to the point where it hurts someone.....then that is when the = LAW</font></font></font></b> <br><b><font face=3D"Times New Roman"><font color=3D"#800080"><font = size=3D+0>needs to step in.</font></font></font></b> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote> This puts liberals like me on the horns of a dilemma ... a famous Supreme Court justice (whose name I can't remember) said the REAL test of the = First Amendment comes when you have to defend (AND allow) the speech of those whose ideas you find abhorrent. <p>The ACLU fell on the same sword when they found themselves (rightly, I believe) defending the right of neo-nazis to march in a community that was heavily populated with Jews AND Holocaust survivors. As a result, many Jewish ACLU members cancelled their membership. <p>But the right of free speech MUST BE virtually inviolate. Another = Justice said that it is the exposure to the bright light of reason and good will that will cause hateful ideas to wither and die. <p>OTOH, there is case-law (the white supremacist I talked about earlier) that supports the notion that hate speech is NOT protected if it can be proved that there is a DIRECT connection between such speech and a violent act ... in the case of the white supremacist, the murder of a man of = color. <p>Some gay people have tried to take back the "f.." word, just as radical Black activists have tried to take back the "n....." word, with limited success. I use the "f.." word around gay friends, but NOBODY had better use it in a PEJORATIVE way around me (grin)! <p>I think the VAST majority of Americans, Left and Right, find Phelps' activities horrifyingly inappropriate, to put it mildly. Their performance at Matthew Shepard's funeral was broadcast worldwide ... now, let's stop and look logically at that chain of events: a young man is brutally = murdered in a particularly horrifying way ... never mind the alleged reasons ... but instead of picketing the trial of his murderers with messages of = retribution and judgment (which at least could be partially justified from Old = Testament texts), instead, Phelps and his followers picket the funeral of the VICTIM with messages of hate, judgment, damnation, hell-fire, etc. <p>If there are Christians out there who believe THAT is appropriate, then I TRULY fear for my life, and the lives of my friends. <p>In fact, I have started to be MUCH more careful about my movements = since the current wave of hate crimes began ... I carry a cell phone at all = times; I don't use the ATM at night; I ALWAYS drive with the windows up and the doors locked; I don't venture into strange neighborhoods after dark for ANY reason; I stay OUT of areas (like Santee, CA, where the recent high school shootings took place) that are known hangouts of white = supremacists, skinheads, and gay bashers; I DON'T show affection for other men in public for ANY reason; I pay ATTENTION to groups of young men who are nearby in the parking lot of the grocery store, etc. <p>Not a particularly pleasant way to live. <p>Bud Clark</html>   --------------3114C44009FCFEF55656E80F--    
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:48:38 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell > >Such rhetoric can only serve to escalate the emotions that lead to > >dangerous confrontations that none of us would want.<snip> > > Go ahead and bury your head in the calliche, BushyBoy. These people = will > NOT quit until there's a deciding confrontation, whether it be orchestrated   <blah blah blah>   If you want to have a political discussion, kindly do it on your own bandwidth. I am here to read e-mail about all things organic, NOT about the current = state of the union.   And -yes-, I realize this issue is organically related. And yes, I'm concerned and yes, I find it horribly offensive and disgusting. But kindly keep your politics to yourself. I get enough of that in church.   -Rebekah        
(back) Subject: Re: Lent 1 x-posted From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:11:58 -0500       On Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:39:25 -0500 Alan Freed <afreed0904@earthlink.net> writes: > From: Cremona502@cs.com > Subject: Re: Lent 1 x-posted > > Wow! Sounds like things are really approaching perfection. But, > how on > earthen can you stand a pottery chalice???? To me, it makes the > wine > taste funny, and doesn't fit my lips. > > Well, Bruce, I don't entirely disagree. I can STAND a pottery > chalice > because of what's IN it, of course. For THAT, I could drink it from > a > paratrooper's boot. > However, you both must agree that the chalice made of china IS preferable to the "Flagon with the Dragon" !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:50:18 +0800   I disagree. Turbulence may be noticed in a badly regulated system but certainly not if the regulator is properly designed. Any turbulence should be ironed out by the flywheel effect of the regulator. The number of vanes on the rotor and the speed of rotation would also be a factor. There is no detectable turbulence in the organs I play round this city except in one case where the organ is a small one of 1890, originally hand pumped which used to have a flutter in the sound with a blower fitted in 1941. This was improved somewhat when we discovered that the church had beren rewired and the rotor was being turned in reverse! However a new blower was fitted a couple of years ago, and the reservoir returned to double rise last year, and there is no sign of any problem now. In a hand pumped system though I have heard a distinct flicker in the sound every time the handle was reversed. This may also be due to poor design, but it at least shows that the problem stated by Bruce can be present in both systems. Bob Elms.  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:03:25 +0800   No I don't think it is a fine distinction at all. I said it was man that did all those things and that is true. It was not sanctioned by God; it was men (and women if you take Bloody Mary into account). Are you going to put the holocaust at the feet of God? Men were responsible for that and many of them professed to be Christian. Some of the teachings of the RC Church were also man devised. Ask Martin Luther. By the same token that Church does not carry on with the Inquisition today, nor would it do so if it could. It is a fact of life that religion has produced some astonishing theories propounded by absolute nuts, but again you can't blame God for that. There are human nuts in all sorts of organizations as you would well know, even in sports such as, say, tennis, but you don't blame the game of tennis for the antics of Mr Dokic. Lay off religion please. You can generalize all day about the sins of some Christians but you cannot blame Christianity for the antics of some of its supporters. You should be talking of ORGANS. Return to the TOPIC. This thread is way off topic. Bob E. quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > Hmm, a PRETTY fine distinction, don't you think, Bob E? > > It was the TEACHINGS of the RC church that fueled the Inquisition; it = was > the TEACHINGS of the Puritan church that fueled the Salem witch trials; = it > is the TEACHINGS of Mohammedism that is fueling world-wide terrorism = today. > > Conservative religious leaders make lukewarm disavowals of Fred Phelps = ... > "Oh, he's not a SOUTHERN Baptist", but then those same leaders (in the = case > of the Baptists) "disfellowship" any church or pastor who disagrees with > their radical anti-gay TEACHINGS. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Bob Elms wrote: > > > NO Bob, not religion. It was people who caused all those wars and they > > did it under the guise of religion. That is not the same thing you = know. > > Bob E. > > > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > > > > > > > All through history, religion has caused a good percentage of the = wars > > > of the world. When coupled with political power, it becomes even = more > > > deadly. > > > > > > DeserTBoB > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:10:18 +0800   I heartily agree with Rebekah. Bob E.   Rebekah Ingram wrote:   > > And -yes-, I realize this issue is organically related. And yes, I'm > concerned and yes, I find it horribly offensive and disgusting. But = kindly > keep your politics to yourself. I get enough of that in > church. > > -Rebekah > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:21:30 -0800 (PST)   Well, this will certainly make Felix' career happen in a big way! Are you sure this is for real and not some publicity hoax? Before you get mad at me, this exact occurence has happened before, but with a different cast of characters. This sort of thing is nowadays easy to perpetrate, particularly in the digital age. Think about it: lots of publicity, lots of sympathy, lots of concert engagements. It's happened before..and sometimes cooked up by ambition.     --- ManderUSA@aol.com wrote: > Dear Pipechat and PipOrg-L, > > The letter below was sent by me to a large private > mailing list. Its reach > was then extended as a number of people who received > it sent it to large > private mailing lists of their own. Clearly, the > story has hit a lot of > people rather hard, and I have had some remarkable > mail on the subject, which > I will hope to summarize and pass along in the next > few days. This evening, I > had a request from the co-list owner of the Pipechat > list to please post the > below on that list, but before doing that and also > before posting on > PipOrg-L, I wanted permission from Hans and Felix > Hell, since it is their > names that are being tossed around. I received that > this evening when I got > in from New York, and now can share the whole story > with you. For some of > you, this will be a duplication of something you > have already seen. > > When I first heard and then wrote about this, I was > really upset about it. I > looked at the horroble website of these people, and > got even more upset that > such lunacy is abroad in the land. We have since had > some rather calming mail > from people in Kansas who say that this picketing > has become so routine that > people simply ignore it, and stressing that there is > no danger. These people > know better than to disrupt an event. Anyway, here > is what I sent out earlier > today: > > Dear Friends, > > If the subject heading sounds a bit like a horror > story, it is. Felix is > being picketed by the Fred Phelps gang when he plays > at Grace Cathedral in > Topeka, KS on Sunday, not because they think he is > Gay, which he is not, but > on the grounds that he is German and they say > Germany is soft on Gays, and > "harbors many fags and pedophiles within its > borders." (This is the lovely > gang that picketed at Matthew Shepherd's funeral.) > These people got the press > release about the Topeka concert, saw the word > German, and found an > opportunity for mischief. They faxed the article > about this "action" > published in their own paper to St. Peter's Lutheran > Church in New York, > where Felix is assistant. Hans Hell, Felix's father > phoned me in a real state > last night. He had already phoned the NY AGO office, > and at their request, > faxed the paper to them. They were deeply concerned, > and phoned James > Thomashower immediately. Hans also phoned the dean > of the Topeka chapter, and > was then phoned back by the dean of the cathedral, > all offering assurances > that security would be on hand to remove anyone who > got inside and began to > make trouble. Felix was terribly shaken by this, and > when shown the "God > Hates Fags" website, responded with "God hates > nobody." Good lad, that. > > You can find this piece on the terrible website, if > you find a place to click > called "Press Releases." I also have the piece as a > PDF file in my computer, > and will gladly send it to anyone who would like to > see it without having to > search and without adding your browse to the more > than a million people the > counter says have accessed this completely odious > site. > > Perhaps the number of crazies involved is not large > - I don't know - and that > might be some comfort, but if you look at the site, > you will see how very > persistent they are. Hans says that the church > leadership involves a group of > lawyers, led by Fred Phelps, who is a former lawyer, > disbarred at some point. > Most of the lawyers are, in fact, members of > Phelps's own family, who also > form the core of his so called church. > > A look at the website is instructive, if a bit > scary. There are long lists of > "actions" past and planned for the future. Whenever > the American Boychoir > hits the midwest, they are picketed routinely. There > are several of their > appearances on the list now. Lots of churches and > denominations are also > regularly picketed. > > This is really dirty pool, trying to ruin a concert > by a totally a-political > young artist hoping to do something beautiful! Any > ideas about countering > this sort of stuff? I will get a full report after > the concert, and will pass > it on. If any of you are anywhere near Topeka, > perhaps you might be able to > be there to lend support, showing silent witness > that bigotry will not stop > you. > > This is a sad posting, but Felix's spontaneous "God > hates nobody" is the > bright spot to focus on. > > Malcolm Wechsler > P. S. I learned since sending this about a website > called GodHatesPhelps.com. > I have not checked it out yet, but will first thing > in the morning. >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: is hate speech protected speech? How 'bout Diane Bish mutilating Mul=E9t? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:21:25 -0800   At 02:47 PM 3/8/2001 -0800, you wrote: If there are Christians out there who believe THAT is appropriate, then I=20 TRULY fear for my life, and the lives of my friends. <snip>   They're out there...don't kid yourself. I've got some "fundie" baptists=20 (replete with ankle length dresses and "fishy" things on the cars) across=20 the street that are just SPOILING for a confrontation, but me, being=20 smarter, never give them the opportunity, and thus, deprive them of=20 satisfaction. Besides, they're too busy trying to force the school=20 district to teach that Darwin was an atheist and was wrong.   IN OTHER NEWS...this just in.   I don't know if anyone else caught it last week, but the post-"Corralled=20 Grinch" Diane Bish is now airing new shows, and had a fine one last Friday,= =20 taped in Toulouse on the 1888 Cavaill=E9-Coll at St. C=E8rnin's. The audio= was=20 just good enough to give one a pretty good overall aural "feel" of this=20 instrument, magnificently preserved as it is. However, it more than=20 validated my theories about console standardization. Watching "Her=20 Bishness" take on Mul=E9t's "Rocky" toccata showed her in considerable=20 stress, and the constant flapping of coupled manuals (with keys bouncing=20 merrily due to the pneumatic action) was quite a distraction. Of course,=20 performance of such a work (and others) required one of the incumbents to=20 serve as honorary "stop yanker and ventil masher". I've seen her perform=20 this work both live and on tape on modern consoles, and it was quite=20 obvious that the obsolete console, even with its first generation=20 "registration niceties" such as pedal-operated ventils, was indeed=20 affecting her performance, and not to the better, although she "bashed" her= =20 way through most credibly.   Nonetheless, the organ sounded wonderfully "Cavaill=E9-Coll" (probably=20 because it are one, to use Bushese), and was even in TUNE, a rarity among=20 french organs! The ongoing maintenance and restoration work done on this=20 instrument shines forth, indeed. However, that doesn't make its console=20 any more valid today than the torture chambers of the Baroque era. With a= =20 modern console with the requisite appliances, one certainly can replicate=20 the registrational changes of any era, but you sure as hell cannot do the=20 reverse! As for mechanically (or pneumatically) coupled manuals, they're=20 another distraction in themselves that's no longer necessary, nor desirable!   I also note that the "fundie"-controlled TBN has done their level best to=20 shove Diane's shows way into the background of their schedule. I have to=20 tape her in the middle of the night on Friday mornings just to see her! A= =20 call to TBN told the story ... "Most of our "LOYAL" viewers don't like=20 her." Gee ... I wonder why??? Could it have something to do with the=20 actions of Oberf=FChrer Kennedy (winner of this year's "Trent Lott Lookalike= =20 Contest") down at "Corralled Grinch"? I hung up on them when they started= =20 hitting on me for money.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:22:53 -0800   At 05:48 PM 3/8/2001 -0500, Rebekah wrote: >I get enough of that in church.<snip>   Thank you for proving my point most succinctly!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:57:31 -0800   ROFLMAO!   Bud   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 05:48 PM 3/8/2001 -0500, Rebekah wrote: > >I get enough of that in church.<snip> > > Thank you for proving my point most succinctly! > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: is hate speech protected speech? How 'bout Diane Bis h mutilating Mul=E9t? From: "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 00:55:58 -0000   Sounds a great instrument! I was over in Toulouse for New Year visiting a friend studying there for the year. I visited St. Sernin several times on the off-chance I might hear someone playing, but to no avail. It certainly looked awesome!   Regards   Andrew Caskie   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bob Scarborough Sent: 09 March 2001 00:21 To: PipeChat Subject: is hate speech protected speech? How 'bout Diane Bish mutilating Mul=E9t?   IN OTHER NEWS...this just in.   I don't know if anyone else caught it last week, but the post-"Corralled Grinch" Diane Bish is now airing new shows, and had a fine one last = Friday, taped in Toulouse on the 1888 Cavaill=E9-Coll at St. C=E8rnin's. The = audio was just good enough to give one a pretty good overall aural "feel" of this instrument, magnificently preserved as it is. However, it more than validated my theories about console standardization. Watching "Her Bishness" take on Mul=E9t's "Rocky" toccata showed her in considerable stress, and the constant flapping of coupled manuals (with keys bouncing merrily due to the pneumatic action) was quite a distraction. Of course, performance of such a work (and others) required one of the incumbents to serve as honorary "stop yanker and ventil masher". I've seen her perform this work both live and on tape on modern consoles, and it was quite obvious that the obsolete console, even with its first generation "registration niceties" such as pedal-operated ventils, was indeed affecting her performance, and not to the better, although she "bashed" = her way through most credibly.   Nonetheless, the organ sounded wonderfully "Cavaill=E9-Coll" (probably because it are one, to use Bushese), and was even in TUNE, a rarity among french organs! The ongoing maintenance and restoration work done on this instrument shines forth, indeed. However, that doesn't make its console any more valid today than the torture chambers of the Baroque era. With a modern console with the requisite appliances, one certainly can replicate the registrational changes of any era, but you sure as hell cannot do the reverse! As for mechanically (or pneumatically) coupled manuals, they're another distraction in themselves that's no longer necessary, nor = desirable!   I also note that the "fundie"-controlled TBN has done their level best to shove Diane's shows way into the background of their schedule. I have to tape her in the middle of the night on Friday mornings just to see her! A call to TBN told the story ... "Most of our "LOYAL" viewers don't like her." Gee ... I wonder why??? Could it have something to do with the actions of Oberf=FChrer Kennedy (winner of this year's "Trent Lott = Lookalike Contest") down at "Corralled Grinch"? I hung up on them when they started hitting on me for money.   DeserTBoB     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org