PipeChat Digest #1874 - Friday, March 9, 2001
 
Re: What Else? Felix & Phelps - an idea
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and tilting at same (grin)
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: console standards
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
ALL READ!!! [WAS: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell]
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
PLEASE READ re: recent topics of conversation
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1872 - 03/08/01
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Need Church Organist, Fairfield. OH
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Darn!
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: console standards
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Picketing of Felix Hell
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
RE: hand pumping
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: What Else? Felix & Phelps - an idea From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 06:43:22 -0500   At 08:37 PM 3/8/2001 -0500, Malcolm wrote: >I think the press, long since tired of Phelps, needs to be tipped off to = come >and see him upstaged, focussing their lenses not on Phelps but on Felix = and >his calm and direct greeting. If they are invited in to cover the first >moments of the recital, that will be great publicity for what it is we = do, >and for the cathedral, the organ, <snip>   <hearty applause & whistling> Excellent idea, Malcom!!!   I surfed over to godhatesphelps.com last night and took a look around. Keith Orr has a press release up at http://godhatesphelps.com/accidental_fundraiser.htm that made me want to grab pompoms and cheer. Absolutely brilliant move, IMHO.   Any good organ-related charities that $$ could go towards? Mebbe =   with some added heartstring public relations value?? Fluffy kittens, clumsy puppies, terminally ill kids, that kinda warm fuzzy tearjerker = thing?   Have fun! Ad ;-> Pro-gay/choice/tonewheel but anti-wingnut (except Betty Bowers! = lol)    
(back) Subject: Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and tilting at same (grin) From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 07:06:09 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   Oh darn, and I really though the bunghole thing was from Bob's = appreciation of that classic duo of our times "Bevis and Butthead"   Cheers Mike   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 11:11 PM 3/8/2001 -0600, Cranky Ol' Ray wrote: > >What's this guy's obsession with bungholes? This ain't the = proctologists > >list, ya know.<snip> > > Perhaps I should explain, as you obviously aren't able to make the > connection on your own. It's a corruption of the term "orgelbewegung", > that group of quasi-academics that somehow foisted "TrackerBackerism" = and > other knee-jerk tonal and non-tonal ideas upon the organ world in the = last > half of the 20th century. This movement was a Continental European > movement, although we now suffer the effects of their school of though = with > such anomalies as various "Friskys" and other results of misspent > funding. One shouldn't confuse the this movement with the American = Classic > Movement, as was typified by far more satisfactory works by Harrison, = and > to a less degree, Holtkamp, and numerous others. > > DeserTBoB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:50:14 -0400   A couple of years ago I went in to check out the Taylor & Boody at Holy Cross in Worcester, and found Olivier Latry enjoying himself at the console. He was able to make a very noticeable difference in pipe speech = by how he approached the keyboard- the effect was not subtle, but very pronounced. Granted, it may take a very fine instrument and a fine performer, but it was a clear demonstration that "articulation" at a tracker is far from "balderdash". Mere mortals at run-of-the-mill instruments may not be able to make the difference, but it is not a = figment of the imagination on the part of tracker-backers.   Paul O > >Absolute balderdash, as is their oft-clucked saw that you can = "articulate" >tracker organs. > > >DeserTBoB >   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 20:29:22 +0800     > Au contraire. The Fisk/Silbermann at the University of Michigan sounds = much better with hand pumping.   How can properly regulated wind make an organ sound any different no matter how it is produced? I cannot accept that. Regulator bounce with a hand pump can make that identifiable but it is hardly an advantage in any way to my mind. Maybe I'm missing something here.   Bob E.  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 04:37:42 -0800 (PST)   Felix should have never given that interview in The Advocate!   --- Ray Ahrens <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> wrote: > > > >And -yes-, I realize this issue is organically > related. And yes, I'm > >concerned and yes, I find it horribly offensive and > disgusting. But kindly > >keep your politics to yourself. I get enough of > that in > >church. > > >-Rebekah > > Finally, a return to sanity! You go girl!!<br > clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer > at <a > href=3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: console standards From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:00:59 -0600   Was that what was under all those papers in the back?   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> > > Glenda wrote: > > > > I've ridden in Bruce's car - the horses are still pretty strong, but kind of > > past their prime. In the back seat of the carriage are huge stacks of sheet > > music and beagle hair. No kidding. > > > > You didn't mention the LoJack... > It's a very effective tracker. > > Stan        
(back) Subject: ALL READ!!! [WAS: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell] From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 07:30:00 -0600   Folks   When I asked Malcolm to post to the list about this demonstration at Felix's concert this weekend I did so with the feeling that we all needed to be aware of this gross act. Felix, at least to my thought, is one of the leading lights in the organ world and might be part of the "salvation" for our chosen instrument. I wanted people to be aware to to offer Felix all of our support. I can imagine that he and his father are probably very disturbed about what might be happening at this concert.   HOWEVER, I didn't expect this thread to turn into a political/religious discussion as it has. I know that we have members who have some very strong beliefs and opinions and although I may not agree with the views of some members I do have to respect them. And I know that we have quite a diverse group of people on this list who range from the ultra conservatives to the ultra liberals. But as far as I am concerned, this thread really has NOTHING to do with any of these beliefs. It all has to do with one of us being attacked and not for his musicianship but for some very vague reasons having to do with his place of birth and someone's (Phelps) screwed up reasoning and tactics.   I have to say personally, that although I have been aware of Fred Phelps and his little group, I have learned much about him and his scare tactics by reading some of what has been posted. But I have also been very dismayed as some of the "language" ( want of a better word) that has appeared in this thread. I want to see that part of the thread curbed IMMEDIATELY!!   We, your Administrators, have received several private postings from members basically saying that unless we remove this person or that person the sender will be leaving the list. I do thank those of you that sent these notes but also do have to say that I will not remove a person because of their beliefs. Although this list may be a "benevolent dictatorship" in that we do set guidelines for discussion I will not resort to censorship because of a member's beliefs. It is generally only in the case of a personal attack on another list member that I will remove someone from the list.   All of that being said, I hope that unless we can offer Felix our support I want to see this thread dropped. At the same time, i would ask that if any of our list members are in attendance at the concert that they give us a report of what happened along with a review of the concert itself.   I have also had a personal interest in these doings since the church I belong to and the company I work for are sponsoring Felix in concert here in Little Rock at the end of April. I hope we don't have to deal with this same problem but have been following this closely to be aware of what could possibility occur here.   I know that I personally wish Felix all the best on Sunday and also wish the best for the sponsors of his concert. I hope that this little gang doesn't disrupt the concert and doesn't do anything to diminish the enjoyment of the audience.   Now let us get back to HAPPY PipeChatting,   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ re: recent topics of conversation From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 08:21:09 -0600   Ladies and Gentlemen,   Certain posts and threads of the last couple days have proved, as I expected, that the subjects of same would provoke a flurry of discussion. As I anticipated, the issues involved have provoked strong and very different opinions, and many have felt compelled to share their own personal views.   I also wondered if the discussion would continue to play out peacefully, = or if instead it would degrade into a flame war. I send this note in support of the former, though it is likely too late.   I would personally like to see the discussion continue, as I believe the various issues deserve a hearing in this forum. Topics pertaining to politics and discrimination (amongst other issues) certainly affect us as organists and organ enthusiasts -- whether we choose to discuss it civilly or not -- but each one of us needs to remember to respect the possibly quite different feelings of our fellow Listmembers if we are ever to collectively gain something from the discussion.   The last few weeks of Pipechat mail have indeed included much mail from numerous correspondents (I name no particular writer or posting here, as there are several of each) that seem to be lacking in a *respectful tone* towards other writers.   Please EVERYONE, before you send a post to the List -- try to think of the feelings of the other 400+ people here. Only by being friendly and civil towards each other will any of us *learn* anything -- and I hope that "learning" is one of the primary reasons that we're here in the first place. Of course, we will disagree more often than not -- but again, this all should serve as an educational opportunity.   Thank you all for your continued participation in the Pipechat List. We value EACH of you as members, and appreciate your cooperation.   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> <tmbovard@arkansas.net>        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1872 - 03/08/01 From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:02:52 EST     --part1_7d.11f4964a.27da4a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Malcolm and Bud (another Orange County neighbor - You, Ron Severin & I = should get together sometime for coffee) I'm with both of you with all of your comments. Bud I've been sick of TBN since I've lived here. Malcolm, what = a great idea. But I think that would do as much if not more to incite = Phelps and his crowd. They do not react well to civility.   Dennis   --part1_7d.11f4964a.27da4a9c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Malcolm and Bud = (another Orange County neighbor - You, Ron Severin &amp; I should <BR>get together sometime for coffee) I'm with both of you with all of = your <BR>comments. &nbsp;Bud I've been sick of TBN since I've lived here. = &nbsp;Malcolm, what a <BR>great idea. &nbsp;But I think that would do as much if not more to = incite Phelps <BR>and his crowd. &nbsp;They do not react well to civility. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Dennis </FONT></HTML>   --part1_7d.11f4964a.27da4a9c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:06:23 EST   My personal opinion, leave those people ALONE. Ignor them .....unless they come into the church.... there sould be security....the = Star Bangled Banner would certainly do as a signal that those people were = inside the church.. My feelings about Felix shaking hands with that "person" (I use the = term loosely) is certainly mixed. ( If Felix were older... how about giving Phelps a shot to the jaw...<G> not really....kill em with kindness.... = really is a Christian test though....<G>) Anything Felix says or does would be twisted to fit what Phelps would want = to project.... he is a master at it.... OR maybe it is time for someone good and decent to stand up to this ball = of slime. (JUST had to get that nasty remark in.... I feel better...<G>) From everything I have read about Felix, he seems to be a well ajusted teenager. Maybe he can handle it. I am sure he and his father will make = the right decision for Felix. Have you ever wondered how a person like Phelps gets like that? I have....are they just born that way? I don't think so. Do you think = they just woke up one morning and said...." I am going to HATE." No sir, they = did it one step at a time. Probably starting with the words "I don't like...." = " I can't abide..." I hate..." and taking it a step further and further each =   time, until they have become those hate-ful thoughts. Most of us will probably not carry our negative thoughts that far....we just become dour = and sour..... but we could be on that road. In the children's book, "Pollyana", Pollyana played a game called the = "glad game", it wouldn't hurt us to play that game. (We might even find = something "glad" to say about electronics....<G>) Life is too short and precious to always be finding fault with everything = we don't agree with. After saying that you "don't" care for something, try saying something positive about it... it might get to be a habit....<G> = just like saying something negative is....a habit. "Look for the good, and you will find it. Look for the bad, and you will find it as well." I would rather look for the good in people first....sometimes it's very difficult though.   BTW ... when is Felix to be in Oklahoma City? Thanks   Van Vanpool, organist FUMC Bowie, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Need Church Organist, Fairfield. OH From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:07:05 -0400   Dear Bob Kinner, I saw your notice about the Disciples church in Fairfield needing an organist. I do not plan to apply, but I wanted to say I am very sad to hear of the car accident that took the life of your organist. What a tragic event that must be for the congregation. I live in Oxford, Ohio, and play at Immanuel Presbyterian Church in Clifton, in Cincinnati. I used to play and direct the choir at Norwood Christian Church, a Disciples church, and in fact grew up a Disciple, in Maysville, Kentucky. I am wondering if your church is the little one off the route 4 bypass east of Hamilton, or is it closer to 275. When I was at Norwood, I heard of a new Disciples church that a couple of years ago was just breaking ground. Is it that one? I also thought I'd take the opportunity to remind you of the AGO-sponsored church music workshop to be held next week in Cincinnati. Here's the announcement I sent to pipechat and piporg-l. My apologies if you're already seen it. Sign-ups have been a little under expectations, so we are anxious to sign more people up! Are you an organist? Would you like to pass this information on to your folks at the church--like the choir director--who might be interested? Thanks.   Best wishes,   The following announcement will, I hope, be of interest to church musicians within striking distance of Cincinnati, Ohio:   The Cincinnati Chapter of the American Guild of Organists will sponsor its second annual Church Music Workshop on March 16 and 17, 2001. It will take place at Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Kenwood (7701 Kenwood Road Cincinnati, OH 45236). Classes will include Vocal Techniques, Hymn Playing, African Sprituals, Choral Reading, and instruments in Worship. A Friday evening concert by organist David Hurd, and a Saturday noon concert by Edward Payne will also be held at Good Shepherd and open to the public. An extensive display of music and musical resources will be available for browsing and purchase. The program begins on Friday, March, 16, with registration and refreshments from 8:00-9:00 AM. Vocal techniques, hymn playing, a choral reading session, and a session on African Spirituals follows. Dr. Hurd will play an organ recital at 8:00 in the evening. On Saturday, March 17, registration begins at 8:30, with the second African Spirituals session beginning at 9:00 A.M. David Hurd will present a session on using instruments in worship, followed by a concert of African Spirituals by Edward Payne. For more information, call Debbie Jones at 513-891-1700. The registration fee for the entire workshop is $60 for AGO members, $70 for non-members. It is possible to sign up for one day only--I don't know the fee for that. You may register by mail, by providing the following information, and mailing it to the church:   Name: Position: Address City, State, ZIP Phone Whether you are an AGO member Whether you want the box lunch ($7.50) and if so your choice of turkey, ham, or vegetarian.   Send it to:   Good Shepherd Lutheran Church ATTN: Church Music Workshop 7701 Kenwood Road Cincinnati, OH 45236   Hope to see some of you there!         Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: Darn! From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:19:35 -0400   Darn! Sent a personal message to the whole group! Sorry!!! Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: RE: console standards From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:47:54 -0600   A pretty good description.... And the driver is ever so hospitable.   Peter       -----Original Message----- From: Glenda [mailto:gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:08 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: console standards     I've ridden in Bruce's car - the horses are still pretty strong, but kind = of past their prime. In the back seat of the carriage are huge stacks of = sheet music and beagle hair. No kidding.   Glenda Sutton   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>   > You haven't seen Bruce's car.... :-) > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Elms [mailto:elmsr@albanyis.com.au] > > Bruce, who is that pushing your car? Why don't you start the engine?         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:11:40 -0800 (PST)   Perhaps I would ask on behalf of the list, that whoever started this thread provide some more substantial proof other than "so and so called this guy who called that man who then called you know who and he said...." Again, I question whether this is possibly some contrived publicity stunt. You should too. The story does strike me as a bit too far-fetched. Perhaps because another teenage organist is currently grabbing the organist community's attention with his monthly full-page ads in the TAO?     --- CdyVanpool@aol.com wrote: > My personal opinion, > leave those people > ALONE. Ignor them > ....unless they come into the church.... there sould > be security....the Star > Bangled Banner would certainly do as a signal that > those people were inside > the church.. > My feelings about Felix shaking hands with that > "person" (I use the term > loosely) is certainly mixed. ( If Felix were > older... how about giving > Phelps a shot to the jaw...<G> not really....kill em > with kindness.... really > is a Christian test though....<G>) > > Anything Felix says or does would be twisted to fit > what Phelps would want to > project.... he is a master at it.... > OR maybe it is time for someone good and decent to > stand up to this ball of > slime. (JUST had to get that nasty remark in.... I > feel better...<G>) > From everything I have read about Felix, he seems > to be a well ajusted > teenager. Maybe he can handle it. I am sure he and > his father will make the > right decision for Felix. > > Have you ever wondered how a person like Phelps > gets like that? I > have....are they just born that way? I don't > think so. Do you think they > just woke up one morning and said...." I am going to > HATE." No sir, they did > it one step at a time. Probably starting with the > words "I don't like...." " > I can't abide..." I hate..." and taking it a step > further and further each > time, until they have become those hate-ful > thoughts. Most of us will > probably not carry our negative thoughts that > far....we just become dour and > sour..... but we could be on that road. > In the children's book, "Pollyana", Pollyana played > a game called the "glad > game", it wouldn't hurt us to play that game. (We > might even find something > "glad" to say about electronics....<G>) > Life is too short and precious to always be finding > fault with everything we > don't agree with. After saying that you "don't" care > for something, try > saying something positive about it... it might get > to be a habit....<G> just > like saying something negative is....a habit. > "Look for the good, and you will find it. Look for > the bad, and you will > find it as well." > I would rather look for the good in people > first....sometimes it's very > difficult though. > > BTW ... when is Felix to be in Oklahoma City? Thanks > > Van Vanpool, organist > FUMC Bowie, Texas > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Picketing of Felix Hell From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 10:24:29 -0800   No, Phelps and his website are DEFINITELY for real ... here's the direct link to Phelps' website and his picketing schedule ... it requires Acrobat Reader to open the page. If for some reason it won't open, just go to the homepage,   http://www.godhatesfags.com   WARNING: this page is EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE, and should NOT be opened by minors or people with weak stomachs.   http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/mar2001/Felix_Hell_Pink_Swastika_Germany= _3-5-2001.pdf   Bud   "Jackson R. Williams II" wrote:   > Perhaps I would ask on behalf of the list, that > whoever started this thread provide some more > substantial proof other than "so and so called this > guy who called that man who then called you know who > and he said...." Again, I question whether this is > possibly some contrived publicity stunt. You should > too. The story does strike me as a bit too > far-fetched. Perhaps because another teenage organist > is currently grabbing the organist community's > attention with his monthly full-page ads in the TAO? > > --    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:48:41 EST   Thanks, Neil. I believe you've hit the nail on the head.   Tom  
(back) Subject: RE: hand pumping From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:55:23 -0600   Paul et al.:   Olivier Latry brought the University of Oklahoma's Fisk (Opus 111, III/45) to life on Sunday evening last with a program ranging from anonymous Renaissance danses to Buxtehude (BuxWV 161) to J.S. Bach (BWVs 577 and 1004!, the latter transcribed by Henri Messerer) to Alain (Trois Danses) = to one of his own improvisations (on Shaker Tune and "Oklahoma!"). Having = just re-read Robert Noehren's essay on why the laws of physics prevent the = effect Paul writes about, I nonetheless detected an orchestral-playing phenomenon in Latry's control of the instrument that surely could not have come about if he were simply executing cut-and-dried-notes-on-or-off playing. But Paul's point is well taken: the organist and the instrument can work this magic on some probably rare occasions.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Paul Opel [mailto:popel@sover.net] Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 5:50 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: hand pumping     A couple of years ago I went in to check out the Taylor & Boody at Holy Cross in Worcester, and found Olivier Latry enjoying himself at the console. He was able to make a very noticeable difference in pipe speech = by how he approached the keyboard- the effect was not subtle, but very pronounced. Granted, it may take a very fine instrument and a fine performer, but it was a clear demonstration that "articulation" at a tracker is far from "balderdash". Mere mortals at run-of-the-mill instruments may not be able to make the difference, but it is not a = figment of the imagination on the part of tracker-backers.   Paul O > >Absolute balderdash, as is their oft-clucked saw that you can = "articulate" >tracker organs. > > >DeserTBoB >   http://www.sover.net/~popel       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org