PipeChat Digest #1876 - Saturday, March 10, 2001
 
Re: hand pumping
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and tilting at same (grin)
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: relevance of the Louisiana decision
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
The PipeChat Nightly Airin's of Topics
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
WurliTzer
  by "Gary Blevins" <gsblvns@camalott.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:39:17 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A8FA.89FCA460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Have you actually heard this organ? I suppose it's easier to open one's = =3D mouth than one's mind.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:41 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: hand pumping     At 11:00 PM 3/8/2001 -0600, Cranky Ol' Ray wrote: >Au contraire. The Fisk/Silbermann at the University of Michigan sounds >much better with hand pumping.<snip>   ....probably due to their retro-faddish ideas on wind regulation and distribution, all to keep their "TrackerBacker" adherents happy with some sort of "historical accuracy", even in the face of 250 years of scientifically driven improvement that relegated such ideas to the = dustbi=3D n of history.   DeserTboB     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A8FA.89FCA460 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Have you = actua=3D lly heard this organ?&nbsp; I suppose it's easier to open = one's&nbsp;mout=3D h than one's mind.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE = style=3D3D"PADDING-RIG=3D HT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = so=3D lid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original = M=3D essage -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; = F=3D ONT-COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>&nbsp;Bob Scarborough</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D"F=3D ONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:41 = PM</DIV=3D > <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV = sty=3D le=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: hand pumping</DIV> = <DIV>=3D <BR></DIV>At 11:00 PM 3/8/2001 -0600, Cranky Ol' Ray wrote:<BR>&gt;Au = con=3D traire.&nbsp; The Fisk/Silbermann at the University of Michigan = sounds<BR=3D >&gt;much better with hand pumping.&lt;snip&gt;<BR><BR>...probably due = to=3D their retro-faddish ideas on wind regulation and<BR>distribution, all = to=3D keep their "TrackerBacker" adherents happy with some<BR>sort of = "histori=3D cal accuracy", even in the face of 250 years of<BR>scientifically driven = =3D improvement that relegated such ideas to the dustbin<BR>of = history.<BR><B=3D R>DeserTboB<BR><BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; = A&nbsp;=3D discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related = topics<BR>HOMEPAGE=3D : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Admin=3D istration:&nbsp; = mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp=3D ; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR> = <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></H=3D TML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer = a=3D t <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>=3D </DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C0A8FA.89FCA460--  
(back) Subject: Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and tilting at same (grin) From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:41:37 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A8FA.DD920AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   There's no explaination necessary. Your pervsion of "orgelbewegung" is = o=3D bvious.       ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Scarborough Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:41 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and tilting at same (grin)     At 11:11 PM 3/8/2001 -0600, Cranky Ol' Ray wrote: >What's this guy's obsession with bungholes? This ain't the = proctologist=3D s >list, ya know.<snip>   Perhaps I should explain, as you obviously aren't able to make the connection on your own. It's a corruption of the term "orgelbewegung", that group of quasi-academics that somehow foisted "TrackerBackerism" and other knee-jerk tonal and non-tonal ideas upon the organ world in the = las=3D t half of the 20th century. This movement was a Continental European movement, although we now suffer the effects of their school of though = wi=3D th such anomalies as various "Friskys" and other results of misspent funding. One shouldn't confuse the this movement with the American = Class=3D ic Movement, as was typified by far more satisfactory works by Harrison, and to a less degree, Holtkamp, and numerous others.   DeserTBoB     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A8FA.DD920AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>There's no = exp=3D laination necessary.&nbsp; Your pervsion of "orgelbewegung" is = obvious.<B=3D R></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; = PADDING=3D -LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; = MARGIN-RIGH=3D T: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message = -----</DI=3D V> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; FONT-COLOR: = black=3D "><B>From:</B>&nbsp;Bob Scarborough</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"=3D ><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Thursday, March 08, 2001 11:41 PM</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D"=3D FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: = 10pt=3D Arial"><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: tractors, hand pumps, windmills, and = til=3D ting at same (grin)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>At 11:11 PM 3/8/2001 -0600, = Cran=3D ky Ol' Ray wrote:<BR>&gt;What's this guy's obsession with = bungholes?&nbsp=3D ; This ain't the proctologists<BR>&gt;list, ya = know.&lt;snip&gt;<BR><BR>P=3D erhaps I should explain, as you obviously aren't able to make = the<BR>conn=3D ection on your own.&nbsp; It's a corruption of the term = "orgelbewegung",<=3D BR>that group of quasi-academics that somehow foisted "TrackerBackerism" = =3D and<BR>other knee-jerk tonal and non-tonal ideas upon the organ world in = =3D the last<BR>half of the 20th century.&nbsp; This movement was a = Continent=3D al European<BR>movement, although we now suffer the effects of their = scho=3D ol of though with<BR>such anomalies as various "Friskys" and other = result=3D s of misspent<BR>funding.&nbsp; One shouldn't confuse the this movement = w=3D ith the American Classic<BR>Movement, as was typified by far more = satisfa=3D ctory works by Harrison, and<BR>to a less degree, Holtkamp, and numerous = =3D others.<BR><BR>DeserTBoB<BR><BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be = Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&=3D nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related = topic=3D s<BR>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat=3D ..org<BR>Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsu=3D bscribe:&nbsp; mailto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR> = <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUO=3D TE></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of = M=3D SN Explorer at <a href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.co=3D m</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C0A8FA.DD920AC0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Felix Hell to be picketed in Topeka, Kansas From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:45:48 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0002_01C0A8FB.72EBFD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   .... if you dislike/disapprove of "gay" or "unrepent" or "practicing" or = w=3D hatever, then you dislike/disapprove of ME.   Really? Isn't the sum of your parts greater than the whole? Sexuality = i=3D s just one component of your personality.<br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your = FRE=3D E download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://=3D explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0002_01C0A8FB.72EBFD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>... if you = dis=3D like/disapprove of "gay" or "unrepent" or "practicing" or whatever, then = =3D you dislike/disapprove of ME.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Really?&nbsp; = =3D Isn't the sum of your parts greater than the whole?&nbsp; Sexuality is = ju=3D st one component of your personality.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br = cle=3D ar=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://=3D explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0002_01C0A8FB.72EBFD60--  
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 00:51:08 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C0A8FC.31637340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Like I said before, have you heard this organ? There is a difference = bet=3D ween the blower and hand pumping.       ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Elms Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 6:34 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: hand pumping       > Au contraire. The Fisk/Silbermann at the University of Michigan = sounds=3D much better with hand pumping.   How can properly regulated wind make an organ sound any different no matter how it is produced? I cannot accept that. Regulator bounce with a hand pump can make that identifiable but it is hardly an advantage in any way to my mind. Maybe I'm missing something here.   Bob E.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C0A8FC.31637340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Like I said = be=3D fore, have you heard this organ?&nbsp; There is a difference between the = =3D blower and hand pumping.<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE = style=3D3D"P=3D ADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #000=3D 000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- = =3D Original Message -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: = 10p=3D t Arial; FONT-COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>&nbsp;Bob Elms</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D=3D "FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Friday, March 09, 2001 6:34 = AM</DIV>=3D <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV = styl=3D e=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;Re: hand pumping</DIV> = <DIV><=3D BR></DIV><BR>&gt; Au contraire.&nbsp; The Fisk/Silbermann at the = Universi=3D ty of Michigan sounds much better with hand pumping.<BR><BR>How can = prope=3D rly regulated wind make an organ sound any different no<BR>matter how it = =3D is produced? I cannot accept that. Regulator bounce with a<BR>hand pump = c=3D an make that identifiable but it is hardly an advantage in<BR>any way to = =3D my mind. Maybe I'm missing something here.<BR><BR>Bob E.<BR><BR>"Pipe Up = =3D and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for = pipe/digita=3D l organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : = http://www.pipechat.org<BR>Li=3D st: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:admin@pi=3D pechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailto:requests@pipechat.org<B=3D R><BR> <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br = clear=3D3Dall><hr=3D >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn=3D ..com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DIV>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C0A8FC.31637340--  
(back) Subject: Re: relevance of the Louisiana decision From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:05:36 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0005_01C0A8FE.36E1C860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   As this belongs to a tiny subset of the general population, what does = thi=3D s have to do with organs?       ----- Original Message ----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: relevance of the Louisiana decision     It means that organists in Louisiana who belong to that particular minority are no longer in danger of being arrested and losing their = churc=3D h jobs, as many did in Florida in the 1950s in the Great Witchhunt.   Cheers,   Bud   Tspiggle@aol.com wrote:   > Sand: > > What does this have to do with pipe organs? > > Tom > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org<br = clear=3D3Dall><hr>G=3D et your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.c=3D om">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0005_01C0A8FE.36E1C860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>As this = belong=3D s to a tiny subset of the general population, what does this have to do = w=3D ith organs?<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE = style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid=3D ; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original = Mess=3D age -----</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; = FONT=3D -COLOR: black"><B>From:</B>&nbsp;quilisma@socal.rr.com</DIV> <DIV = style=3D3D=3D "FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B>&nbsp;Friday, March 09, 2001 4:19 = PM</DIV>=3D <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>To:</B>&nbsp;PipeChat</DIV> <DIV = styl=3D e=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;relevance of the Louisiana = de=3D cision</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>It means that organists in Louisiana who = belo=3D ng to that particular<BR>minority are no longer in danger of being = arrest=3D ed and losing their church<BR>jobs, as many did in Florida in the 1950s = i=3D n the Great Witchhunt.<BR><BR>Cheers,<BR><BR>Bud<BR><BR>Tspiggle@aol.com = =3D wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Sand:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What does this have to do with = p=3D ipe organs?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Tom<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Pipe Up and Be = Heard!"<B=3D R>&gt; PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; discussion List for pipe/digital organs = &a=3D mp; related topics<BR>&gt; HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org<BR>&gt; = Lis=3D t: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; Administration:&nbsp; = mailto:admi=3D n@pipechat.org<BR>&gt; Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = mailto:requests@pipec=3D hat.org<BR><BR><BR>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!"<BR>PipeChat:&nbsp; A&nbsp; = dis=3D cussion List for pipe/digital organs &amp; related topics<BR>HOMEPAGE : = h=3D ttp://www.pipechat.org<BR>List: = mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org<BR>Administr=3D ation:&nbsp; mailto:admin@pipechat.org<BR>Subscribe/Unsubscribe:&nbsp; = ma=3D ilto:requests@pipechat.org<BR><BR> = <DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>=3D <DIV><BR><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = <a=3D href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></DI= =3D V>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0005_01C0A8FE.36E1C860--  
(back) Subject: The PipeChat Nightly Airin's of Topics From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 02:19:35 -0500   These little one liners would be perfect for stuffing into tiny, very bitter fortune cookies.   Alas! I shall not read this drivel anymore since I have blocked the sender.   THE LAST AIRIN'S   There's no explaination necessary. Your pervsion of "orgelbewegung" is obvious   Have you actually heard this organ? I suppose it's easier to open one's mouth than one's mind.   Really? Isn't the sum of your parts greater than the whole? Sexuality is just one component of your personality.   Like I said before, have you heard this organ? There is a difference between the blower and hand pumping.   As this belongs to a tiny subset of the general population, what does this have to do with organs?   ....etc. yada yada... BYE!  
(back) Subject: WurliTzer From: "Gary Blevins" <gsblvns@camalott.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 03:21:44 -0600   Congrats on the harp and marimba, Rick...Good Luck with the piano! -Gary     today I got the marimba and wood bar > harp playing on my WurliTzer. The harp plays off the marimba thru = separate > wiring (avoiding the re-it blocks) and switches. I'll refelt the = mallets, > but as it is it sounds great. > > Next, is the vacuum upright piano (with tinkle bar). > > Rick > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org