PipeChat Digest #1878 - Sunday, March 11, 2001
 
ALL READ!!!!!!  Re: FWD: Virus alert
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: hand pumping
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: OTOH ...
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Good Friday Introit? (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: ALL READ!!!!!!  Re: FWD: Virus alert
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re:Good Friday!
  by "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net>
Re: FWD: Virus alert
  by "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net>
Re: Couperin's "+"
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: A question of priorities?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Couperin's "+"
  by "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@mailbox.syr.edu>
Irwin Dictionary
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: A question of priorities?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Good Friday Introit? (X-posted)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Music for the Fourth: X-post
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Irwin Dictionary
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: console standards
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: ALL READ!!!!!! Re: FWD: Virus alert From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 13:02:40 -0600   First of all - NO ONE Except for the Administrators are EVER to post any so called virus warning to this list!! If you think it is of importance then forward it to the Administrators for their review.   Although i can't find this one on the normal HOAX page that i check it also isn't listed on the Security Updates page, which is more important!! So based on that i take this to be another of the HOAX warnings that only clog up the Internet. DO NOT Forward on to other people.   David   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: hand pumping From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:16:37 -0800   At 08:16 AM 3/10/2001 -0600, you wrote: >AC motors do not like working through rheostats, and it is therefore=20 >impossible to regulate the speed of the motor satisfactorily.<snip>   >The drawback of this system, however, is that wind produced by fans is not= =20 >uniform, but contains turbulence and comes in little pockets or= pulses.<snip>   As someone who's worked with straight and curved axial, centrifugal forward= =20 and reverse and propeller fans in a variety of HVAC and industrial=20 applications, I can attest that each design has its own particularities of= =20 turbulence, but it is of non consequence at all when considering the=20 overall layout of the winding system of a pipe organ. Any minor=20 perturbations of "turbulence" emitted at the output plenum of any fan would= =20 be swallowed up in short order simply by the elasticity of air in any duct= =20 of any length. Other turbulence issues, especially those of a low=20 frequency duration, can be caused by the ductwork design itself, and must=20 be examined separately from the comparatively high frequency "pulsations"=20 that would result in the head pressure side of, say, an axial fan.   The issue of poorly sized and shaped wind lines is obvious in any pipe=20 organ. Obviously, the science of fluid mechanics, which first laid down=20 standards of ductwork design and construction for the HVAC industry in the= =20 early 1920s, was never seriously studied by organ builders. An example of= =20 this would be something seen quite often: a tight 90=B0 bend entering a=20 offset chest suppling some wind hungry basses from a nearby=20 regulator. Under heavy demand, turbulence at the exit of such a bend can=20 become intense, being a function of flow rate, and definitely not static=20 pressure. This will show up as unsteady tone and pitch, and can be seen on= =20 a modern manometer or Magnehelic guage, NOT those ancient water tube things= =20 many still use. The inertia of a large column of water isn't responsive=20 enough to see turbulence phenomena affecting air in a chest, and smaller,=20 more responsive devices, such as those made by Dwyer and others, are far=20 better at the task. Remedies of longer radius turns, turning vanes,and=20 other design improvements aren't even thought of; instead, the blower is=20 blamed for something it isn't even doing!   Instead of studying and rectifying design flaws, many have taken the=20 backward approach of mimicking techniques of builders from the Middle=20 Ages. This doesn't solve any problems, and simply relegates the instrument= =20 to being an inflexible anachronism, incapable of dealing with higher status= =20 pressures and more modern voicing needs. Thus, I'd say that all this talk= =20 about "blowers being the problem" is just convenient scapegoatism, without= =20 taking the entire system design and performance into=20 consideration. Skinner was aware of this and was an advocate of improved=20 winding system design. Austin got around all the traditional problems=20 altogether with its "Universal Windchest=AE", which proved once and for all= =20 that the blower is definitely NOT the problem...the system is.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: OTOH ... From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:18:18 -0800   At 09:56 AM 3/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >To raise the note a half step? E.g. 3rd or 4th?<snip>   I still think it's a mordent.   :::still flailing books and music around trying to find Gleason et al!::::   dB    
(back) Subject: Good Friday Introit? (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:11:11 -0800   I don't usually go FAR off the beaten traditional liturgical path (grin), but I came across this today: the old green Willan proper book for the old (LCMS?) Lutheran service gives "Surely he hath borne our griefs", etc. in a lovely Mode IV SATB setting for the INTROIT on Good Friday.   Now, I know that from '56 onward (and even before, if memory serves), the RC and Anglican books say that you're supposed to enter in SILENCE at the beginning of the Good Friday Rite, but ... to my recollection, this text doesn't get sung elsewhere in our Holy Week rites ... I wonder if it might be worth breaking that rule for the sake of hearing that text sung on Good Friday.   What do y'all think?   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: ALL READ!!!!!! Re: FWD: Virus alert From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:33:09 -0800   FYI: http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/sitesearch.htm?terms=3DB= ud+ Frogs&SUName=3Durbanlegends&TopNode=3D3919&Action.x=3D11&Action.y=3D8       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Cc: "whutton" <whutton@bama.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: ALL READ!!!!!! Re: FWD: Virus alert     > First of all - NO ONE Except for the Administrators are EVER to post > any so called virus warning to this list!! If you think it is of > importance then forward it to the Administrators for their review. > > Although i can't find this one on the normal HOAX page that i check > it also isn't listed on the Security Updates page, which is more > important!! So based on that i take this to be another of the HOAX > warnings that only clog up the Internet. DO NOT Forward on to other > people. > > David > > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re:Good Friday! From: "Stu Ballinger" <wa2bss@vh.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:35:35 -0500   Bud; ( & all!), On good Friday, in the Episcopal tradition, you are = right that the ministers enter in silence, but we @ St. Andrews; Poughkeepsie,NY do hyms accapella, & we also do the Reproches, & the sung passion ( all w/o = Organ!),& I find that Service very moving, & am part of it by singing in the Choir! = We also have communion ( from the Reserved Sacrament; Fm. Maundy Thursday!); & the Prayer book states that "A Wooden Cross may be brought in"for = adoration! Later,.Stu Ballinger ( EPB 1995 Fellow!)  
(back) Subject: Re: FWD: Virus alert From: "Robert Hanudel" <hanudel@schoollink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 15:54:34 -0500       whutton wrote:   > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From Jeff McLelland = <jffmclnd@bellsouth.net> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Urgent Notice > > Read immediately and pass on to everyone you know. > > Someone is sending out a very cute screensaver of the Budweiser Frogs.If > > you download it, you will lose everything! Your hard drive will crash > and someone from the Internet will get your screen name and password! > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! It just went into > circulation yesterday. Please distribute this message. This is a new, > very > malicious virus and not many people know about it. This information was > announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. Please share it with > everyone > that might access the Internet. Once again, Pass This Along To EVERYONE > in your address book so that this may be stopped. AOL has said that this > > is > a very dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > This is > VERY important. If you receive a screen saver from a friend or anyone > you may not know with the Budweiser Frogs in it, DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT OR > OPEN THE FILE! Press the forward button on your email program and send > this > notice to EVERYONE you know. Let's keep our email safe for everyone. > > This is a service to all of our affiliates to help them keep their email > > and computer files safe. > > Warren Hutton > University Organist > Professor Emeritus of Music but still teaching > School of Music > The University of Alabama > Box 870366 > Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0366 > (205) 348-1461 > whutton@bama.ua.edu > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Couperin's "+" From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 16:38:21 EST   Hi Bud:   The way I've always handeled the + is start on the high side of the note the note and the note below and then return to the given note if the scale is decending. If ascending scale I fudge a return to the starting high = note. ME and Ti scale degrees get special treatment depending whether they are major or minor. Biggs never worried about trills except that they = needed to sound good. I'm always open to suggestions however. Wolfgang Rubsam is the expert at all this, and probably will be the final word. His = ornaments are beautiful and impeccable. In French music where there are two eighth notes in succession I always dote the first note and the second is a sixteenth following the French plan of inegalis. It adds spirit and spice = to the mix, and forward energy. I hope I didn't inject too much herasy! But that's the way I do it now. As I say, I'm always open to suggestions.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: A question of priorities? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:07:43 EST     --part1_6f.1246b7af.27dbffaf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Andrew, you raise valid points. And, my congregation enjoys it when we occasionally sing unaccompanied, so you wouldn't get raised eyebrows here.   About hymn and psalm accompanying, the text must prevail, period.   Now for my one-liner (where it came from I don't know): Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should.   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ USA   --part1_6f.1246b7af.27dbffaf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Andrew, &nbsp;you raise = valid points. &nbsp;And, my congregation enjoys it when we <BR>occasionally sing unaccompanied, so you wouldn't get raised eyebrows = here. <BR> <BR>About hymn and psalm accompanying, the text must prevail, period. <BR> <BR>Now for my one-liner (where it came from I don't know): &nbsp;Just = because you <BR>can, doesn't always mean you should. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Barnegat, NJ USA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6f.1246b7af.27dbffaf_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Couperin's "+" From: "Rebekah Ingram" <rringram@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 18:31:19 -0500 (EST)   On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > Naw, I'm ASKING ... I've heard different guesses at different workshops, > but nobody seems to KNOW with any certainty based on contemporary > theoretical sources.   Well, the only reason that I would -not- think it is used to notate a raised note is because traditionally, that's what a sharp is for.   Unfortunately, my Couperin is at church. (I'm playing a Tierce en Taille tomorrow.) I will occupy myself with this question during the sermon. ;-)   -Rebekah      
(back) Subject: Irwin Dictionary From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:57:03 -0500   Hello again,   Could some one point me to a copy of --Dictionary of Pipe Organ Stops--By Irwin? I just lost a last minute battle to get an antique copy on Ebay, and I'm ticked. I have tried known sources like Amazon.com, the OHS catalog, and JAV Recordings, but they do not list it. I want this book. I COMMAND IT. <grin>.   Cheers Mike Gettelman      
(back) Subject: Re: A question of priorities? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 00:51:28 EST     --part1_21.8923b1e.27dc6c60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/10/01 12:25:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, caskie@totalise.co.uk writes:     > But seriously, is the most musical always the most appropriate? I = realise > that for some this is an unnecessary question, but I wonder what others > think? > >   Each situation requires its own formula. Every congregation I've ever served has enjoyed occasional and fairly frequent unaccompanied stanzas of =   hymns. To me, outrageous harmonic variance is annoying and changing = chords just to see how many different chords will work on one note is very unmusical. Toss in walking pedal lines, too!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_21.8923b1e.27dc6c60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/10/01 12:25:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>caskie@totalise.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But seriously, is = the most musical always the most appropriate? I realise <BR>that for some this is an unnecessary question, but I wonder what = others <BR>think? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Each situation requires its own formula. &nbsp;&nbsp;Every = congregation I've ever <BR>served has enjoyed occasional and fairly frequent unaccompanied = stanzas of <BR>hymns. &nbsp;&nbsp;To me, outrageous harmonic variance is annoying and = changing chords <BR>just to see how many different chords will work on one note is very <BR>unmusical. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Toss in walking pedal lines, too! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_21.8923b1e.27dc6c60_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Good Friday Introit? (X-posted) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:04:17 EST     --part1_fc.376c542.27dc6f61_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/10/01 8:08:56 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > I don't usually go FAR off the beaten traditional liturgical path > Well, sometimes it's great fun to run through the woods! In the current =   volume of Choir and Organ is an absolutely magnificent setting of Ave = Verum by Andrew Gant. Our Liturgical Choir read through it and immediately was captivated. It is absolutely scrumptious, and we are learning it for St. Patrick's Day Evensong. I highly recommend it. It is very contemporary = in tonality but classic in concept; and well worth the effort.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_fc.376c542.27dc6f61_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/10/01 8:08:56 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I don't usually go = FAR off the beaten traditional liturgical path <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Well, sometimes it's great fun to run through = the woods! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the current <BR>volume of Choir and Organ is an absolutely magnificent setting of Ave = Verum <BR>by Andrew Gant. &nbsp;Our Liturgical Choir read through it and = immediately was <BR>captivated. &nbsp;It is absolutely scrumptious, and we are learning it = for St. <BR>Patrick's Day Evensong. &nbsp;I highly recommend it. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is = very contemporary in <BR>tonality but classic in concept; and well worth the effort. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fc.376c542.27dc6f61_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Music for the Fourth: X-post From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:33:15 EST     --part1_96.113029b8.27dc762b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Recently there was a request for music for the Fourth of July. I = mentioned "a piece" by Noel Goemanne that I really liked. I'm learning it now, but hadn't learned the title at the time of posting. Someone thought that = it might have been one of his chorale preludes, but any who know me know better!! heeheehee   The piece is "Rejoice". It's quite a fun piece, and survives inspite of = a couple of "weak" spots. It is probably going to be a crowd pleaser!   I don't remember on which list the original question appeared, so I'm = going out on a limb and cross-posting (with apologies!).   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_96.113029b8.27dc762b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Recently there was a = request for music for the Fourth of July. &nbsp;&nbsp;I mentioned <BR>"a piece" by Noel Goemanne that I really liked. &nbsp;I'm learning it = now, but <BR>hadn't learned the title at the time of posting. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Someone thought that it <BR>might have been one of his chorale preludes, but any who know me know <BR>better!! &nbsp;heeheehee <BR> <BR>The piece is "Rejoice". &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It's quite a fun piece, and = survives inspite of a <BR>couple of "weak" spots. &nbsp;&nbsp;It is probably going to be a crowd = pleaser! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I don't remember on which list the original question appeared, so I'm = going <BR>out on a limb and cross-posting (with apologies!). <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_96.113029b8.27dc762b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Irwin Dictionary From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 01:12:41 -0800   At 10:57 PM 3/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Could some one point me to a copy of --Dictionary of Pipe Organ >Stops--By Irwin? I just lost a last minute battle to get an antique copy >on Ebay, and I'm ticked. <snip>   It's not really that rare, and shows up on eBay frequently enough. Rather =   than pay eBay's ridiculous prices, try sending e-mails through various antique book outlets via the Web. Irwin's book is essentially a regurgitation of Audsley's earlier work, with several additions here and there, and many of Audsley's line drawings. I remember back when the book =   was in print, it was a requirement for students. No such similar volume = is in print today, except, maybe, Audsley's through OHS.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: console standards From: <MWORGLBAU@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:58:10 EST   Dear Dick, Bob and list,   "The first thing you usually do once you've gotten the airplane on = the ground and slowed down below flying speed is to raise the flaps."   Very unwise thing to do unless necessary. Only time that I would recommend this procedure is for a short field landing, where runway length = is a consideration. Better procedure is to wait until you have completely stopped and taxied off the runway, and retract the flaps as part of the = after landing checklist. And remember back to your basic aerodynamics, that an airplane will stall at a lower airspeed with the flaps extended that with them retracted. If you are slow enough to have the airplane on the ground, = by retracting the flaps once you are on the ground, you are decreasing the = lift producing capability of the wing, and increasing the effectiveness of the ground friction of the tires and braking. So flying speed will be, and = thus stalling speed will be higher with the flaps retracted (Vs) than with them =   extended (Vso) and not really a consideration.   "The Beech Baron confounds quite a few pilots, also."   I thought of this as well. Though I've never flown a Bonanza, I have around 230 hours in Baron's. With Baron's another backwards thing is the arrangement of the power controls. From Left to right they are usually throttle, propeller, and mixture. On Baron's the throttle and propeller controls are backwards. Can be interesting with an inexperienced Baron = driver has a momentary lapse and has to a go-around or some such maneuver.   You seem to know something about airplanes, DeserTBob. Do you fly? If =   so, where and what, etc. We should fly together at some point, and meet probably at WJF.     Michael R. Williamson CFI-AIM Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.