PipeChat Digest #1893 - Thursday, March 15, 2001
 
Re: CANADA/misconstrue/dish
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Creative Name Needed
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Creative Name Needed
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1892 - 03/15/01
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
Re: Church Job (was Practice Organ)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Creative Name Needed
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Bach b minor Mass in NYC Sunday
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Contact Info for William L. Wunsch
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: CANADA/misconstrue/dish From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:39:33 EST     --part1_59.834b12b.27e27475_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Thanks to that gentleman in Ontario for reminding us Yanks that letters mailed to Canada from the U.S. should include CANADA on the address label. = Very true.   Similarly, letters sent to China should say "People's Republic of China"! =   And it's probably a good idea to put "U.K." in any letters addressed to Scotland or Northern Ireland!   I do think that I write reasonably lucid English prose; so it always = amazes me how easily some individuals miscontrue my words. When I referred to = Mr. van Oosten's having given a performance remarkably free of note errors, I most certainly did not mean to say, or imply, that a note-perfect performance, ipso facto, makes for an artistic performance. Indeed, if = one just read the following paragraph, one would observe that I made it a = point to say, and I quote: "his approach to the music...showed genuine insight, = and his registrations were imaginative and INVARIABLY APPROPRIATE TO THE MUSIC = AT HAND." My point having been, and I hope this time it becomes clear: it = was amazing to encounter an artist with such remarkable ability as to play = with insight and imagination and still be able to avoid any wrong notes! According to one poster who wrote today: even Horowitz couldn't do this!!!   Actually, my review of van Oosten's recital was highly laudatory. I am = truly astounded that anyone could take exception to it. The only things of = which I was critical were choice of program, title of program, and the acoustics = of the room. Everything I said about the artist's performance per se = conveyed high praise for a job well done!   Oh, evidently, some people took umbrage because I was previously = unfamiliar with this performer's name. Well, as I said, I rarely attend organ = recitals. Much prefer a piano recital, symphony concert, or the opera. = Particularly as most North American churches seem to have very poor acoustics for organ =   sound.   As for my mention of the Beckerath in Montreal: again, the objector missed = my point entirely. (I wouldn't have thought that such clearly expressed = points could prove so elusive!) I quoted Mr. van Oosten himself as saying that = he particularly enjoyed playing on Beckerath organs. And that I asked the artist himself, after his recital, if he had yet had the opportunity to hear/play the Beckerath magnum opus (which happens to be the one in l'Oratoire St. Joseph, Montreal). And when he replied that he hadn't, I urged him to go there and do so; and he replied to me that he would, = indeed, like to do so at his earliest opportunity.   That's all there was to it! Big deal, eh?   Finally, I have to observe that there are some people who can dish it out, =   but they certainly can't take it! I wouldn't be so imprudent, of course, = as to name names!   But there's one organ recitalist whose programs I'll be avoiding like the plague, from now on. I won't mention the bloke's name; but I will reveal that he took me to task on this forum, within the past 24 hours, for my "unfair" review of Ben van Oosten!   He really should read how they write music reviews in The New York Times. =   Thjere, he would learn what unfairness is all about. (He needn't worry, though: they hardly ever go to organ concerts.)   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_59.834b12b.27e27475_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks to that = gentleman in Ontario for reminding us Yanks that letters <BR>mailed to Canada from the U.S. should include CANADA on the address = label. &nbsp; <BR>Very true. <BR> <BR>Similarly, letters sent to China should say "People's Republic of = China"! &nbsp; <BR>And it's probably a good idea to put "U.K." in any letters addressed = to <BR>Scotland or Northern Ireland! <BR> <BR>I do think that I write reasonably lucid English prose; so it always = amazes <BR>me how easily some individuals miscontrue my words. &nbsp;When I referred to Mr. <BR>van Oosten's having given a performance remarkably free of note = errors, I <BR>most certainly did not mean to say, or imply, that a note-perfect <BR>performance, ipso facto, makes for an artistic performance. = &nbsp;Indeed, if one <BR>just read the following paragraph, one would observe that I made it a = point <BR>to say, and I quote: "his approach to the music...showed genuine = insight, and <BR>his registrations were imaginative and INVARIABLY APPROPRIATE TO THE = MUSIC AT <BR>HAND." &nbsp;My point having been, and I hope this time it becomes = clear: &nbsp;it was <BR>amazing to encounter an artist with such remarkable ability as to play = with <BR>insight and imagination and still be able to avoid any wrong notes! = &nbsp; <BR>According to one poster who wrote today: even Horowitz couldn't do = this!!! <BR> <BR>Actually, my review of van Oosten's recital was highly laudatory. = &nbsp;I am truly <BR>astounded that anyone could take exception to it. &nbsp;The only = things of which I <BR>was critical were choice of program, title of program, and the = acoustics of <BR>the room. &nbsp;Everything I said about the artist's performance per = se conveyed <BR>high praise for a job well done! <BR> <BR>Oh, evidently, some people took umbrage because I was previously = unfamiliar <BR>with this performer's name. &nbsp;Well, as I said, I rarely attend = organ recitals. <BR>&nbsp;Much prefer a piano recital, symphony concert, or the opera. = &nbsp;Particularly <BR>as most North American churches seem to have very poor acoustics for = organ <BR>sound. <BR> <BR>As for my mention of the Beckerath in Montreal: again, the objector = missed my <BR>point entirely. &nbsp;(I wouldn't have thought that such clearly = expressed points <BR>could prove so elusive!) &nbsp;I quoted Mr. van Oosten himself as = saying that he <BR>particularly enjoyed playing on Beckerath organs. &nbsp;And that I = asked the <BR>artist himself, after his recital, if he had yet had the opportunity = to <BR>hear/play the Beckerath magnum opus (which happens to be the one in <BR>l'Oratoire St. Joseph, Montreal). &nbsp;And when he replied that he = hadn't, I <BR>urged him to go there and do so; and he replied to me that he would, = indeed, <BR>like to do so at his earliest opportunity. <BR> <BR>That's all there was to it! &nbsp;Big deal, eh? <BR> <BR>Finally, I have to observe that there are some people who can dish it = out, <BR>but they certainly can't take it! &nbsp;I wouldn't be so imprudent, of = course, as <BR>to name names! <BR> <BR>But there's one organ recitalist whose programs I'll be avoiding like = the <BR>plague, from now on. &nbsp;I won't mention the bloke's name; but I = will reveal <BR>that he took me to task on this forum, within the past 24 hours, for = my <BR>"unfair" review of Ben van Oosten! <BR> <BR>He really should read how they write music reviews in The New York = Times. &nbsp; <BR>Thjere, he would learn what unfairness is all about. &nbsp;(He needn't = worry, <BR>though: they hardly ever go to organ concerts.) <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_59.834b12b.27e27475_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:42:31 -0500   Scott.....please don't take this the wrong way....but why do you put so = much stuff after your name? Are you campaigning for public office?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Creative Name Needed From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:51:03 EST     --part1_96.116d660c.27e27727_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   There is already an organ list on egroups.   --part1_96.116d660c.27e27727_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>There is already an = organ list on egroups. &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_96.116d660c.27e27727_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Creative Name Needed From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:55:42 -0500   How about PipeChiffChat?   ;-)   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1892 - 03/15/01 From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:55:34 EST     --part1_4b.8c66c48.27e27836_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To Clavinova98, how about "Thelittleorganthatcould.com" although I love Cremona's suggestion also. Also, Cindy, do whatever you gotta do to play =   the organ. It's a lot more fun than piano and the diversity of sound = alone will make you want to try more things. Do whatever it is you are most comfortable with when it comes to playing pedals. It may not make you = rich but it will be fullfilling.   Dennis Russell   --part1_4b.8c66c48.27e27836_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>To Clavinova98, how = about "Thelittleorganthatcould.com" &nbsp;although I love <BR>Cremona's suggestion also. &nbsp;Also, Cindy, &nbsp;do whatever you = gotta do to play <BR>the organ. &nbsp;It's a lot more fun than piano and the diversity of = sound alone <BR>will make you want to try more things. &nbsp;Do whatever it is you are = most <BR>comfortable with when it comes to playing pedals. &nbsp;It may not = make you rich <BR>but it will be fullfilling. <BR> <BR>Dennis Russell </FONT></HTML>   --part1_4b.8c66c48.27e27836_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Job (was Practice Organ) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:57:42 EST     --part1_75.11a5010b.27e278b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   One way, Mandy, to train for the job is to be an assistant organist for a while. I know many people don't want to go this route anymore, but it's hands-on, without having burden of responsibility.   The first thing to do, is grow very very very thick skin. You're going to =   need it. Complaints cannot be taken personally, even if they are meant = that way.   I would take advantage of as many management type workshops as you can. = Read books like "The One-Minute Manager". You may not subscribe to their approach, but at least you can learn interesting things.   Read John Bertalot's books on church music.   I have a feeling your organ teacher will be a mentor for you. You need a mentor in church music for a while. It just helps. Trust me, I knows = these things.   If you're near a good seminary music school or an university music school that offers courses in directing children's choirs, take those courses. Also, seminaries offer church administration and planning type courses, as =   well as ministry courses. Take those -- even by mail, if you have to.   And a conducting class is essential.   Then, on your own, practice practice practice hymn playing.   That's all for now.   Neil Brown Barnegat, NJ   --part1_75.11a5010b.27e278b6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>One way, Mandy, to = train for the job is to be an assistant organist for a <BR>while. &nbsp;I know many people don't want to go this route anymore, = but it's <BR>hands-on, without having burden of responsibility. <BR> <BR>The first thing to do, is grow very very very thick skin. &nbsp;You're = going to <BR>need it. &nbsp;Complaints cannot be taken personally, even if they are = meant that <BR>way. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I would take advantage of as many management type workshops as you = can. &nbsp;Read <BR>books like "The One-Minute Manager". &nbsp;You may not subscribe to = their <BR>approach, but at least you can learn interesting things. <BR> <BR>Read John Bertalot's books on church music. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I have a feeling your organ teacher will be a mentor for you. = &nbsp;You need a <BR>mentor in church music for a while. &nbsp;It just helps. &nbsp;Trust = me, I knows these <BR>things. <BR> <BR>If you're near a good seminary music school or an university music = school <BR>that offers courses in directing children's choirs, take those = &nbsp;courses. &nbsp; <BR>Also, seminaries offer church administration and planning type = courses, as <BR>well as ministry courses. &nbsp;Take those -- even by mail, if you = have to. <BR> <BR>And a conducting class is essential. <BR> <BR>Then, on your own, practice practice practice hymn playing. <BR> <BR>That's all for now. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>Barnegat, NJ</FONT></HTML>   --part1_75.11a5010b.27e278b6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:21:52 -0800     --------------55BBD1CB4F4E5D86F193BE01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   If you're looking to buy hymnals, the site is:   http://www.dxmarket.com/ebrc/dir/search.html?searchstring=3DHymnal+1982   Morehouse-Barlow doesn't exist anymore as such ... Morehouse Publishing's site is:   http://www.morehousegroup.com/morehousepublishing.htm   Cheers,   Bud   ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone know of a web site for the publishing company > Morehouse-Barlow? > (or morehouse-Barlowe) and The Church Pension Fund? Any help will be > greatly > appreciated, even a phone number or email address. > > Thanks. > > SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and > Liturgy > The National Shrine of the Little Flower, MO, Opus 5180, 1933) > Staff House Organist, The Fox Theatre, Detroit, Royal Oak, MI > (Geo. Kilgen & Son Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928) > "Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: > fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."   --------------55BBD1CB4F4E5D86F193BE01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> If you're looking to buy hymnals, the site is: <p><A = HREF=3D"http://www.dxmarket.com/ebrc/dir/search.html?searchstring=3DHymnal+= 1982">http://www.dxmarket.com/ebrc/dir/search.html?searchstring=3DHymnal+19= 82</A> <p>Morehouse-Barlow doesn't exist anymore as such ... Morehouse = Publishing's site is: <p><A = HREF=3D"http://www.morehousegroup.com/morehousepublishing.htm">http://www.m= orehousegroup.com/morehousepublishing.htm</A> <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>Does anyone know of a web site for the publishing company = Morehouse-Barlow?</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>(or morehouse-Barlowe) = and The Church Pension Fund?&nbsp; Any help will be greatly</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>appreciated, even a = phone number or email address.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Thanks.</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, = Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>The National Shrine of = the Little Flower, MO, Opus 5180, 1933)</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Staff House Organist, = The Fox Theatre, Detroit, Royal Oak, MI</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son = Pipe Organ Co., St. Louis, MI (Wurlitzer, 1928)</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>"Cantantibus organis = Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens:</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>fiat cor meum = immaculatum ut non confundar."</font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------55BBD1CB4F4E5D86F193BE01--    
(back) Subject: Re: Creative Name Needed From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:29:38 -0800 (PST)   Does it have a name as creative as those suggested?:-)   Seriously, what is the address?   --- Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote: > There is already an organ list on egroups. >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Church Music Web Site Info Sought From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 15:18:55 -0600     --------------6539EF3AB37CD0629BC3D6F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       ScottFop@aol.com wrote:   > Does anyone know of a web site for the publishing company > Morehouse-Barlow? (or morehouse-Barlowe) and The Church Pension > Fund? Any help will be greatly appreciated, even a phone number or > email address.   The Church Pension Fund holds the copyrights, but the actual correct name of the Publisher of most official Episcopal publications is "The Church Hymnal Corporation". The address I have for them is "800 Second Avenue, NY, NY 10017". I suspect that they have an internet presence which can be found through <http://justus.anglican.org>   ns   --------------6539EF3AB37CD0629BC3D6F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>ScottFop@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>Does anyone know of a web site for the publishing company Morehouse-Barlow?&nbsp; (or morehouse-Barlowe) and The Church Pension Fund?&nbsp; Any help will be greatly appreciated, even a phone number or email = address.</font></font></blockquote> The Church Pension Fund holds the copyrights, but the actual correct name of the Publisher of most official Episcopal publications is "The Church Hymnal Corporation".&nbsp; The address I have for them is "800 Second = Avenue, NY, NY 10017".&nbsp; I suspect that they have an internet presence which can be found through &lt;<A = HREF=3D"http://justus.anglican.org">http://justus.anglican.org</A>> <p>ns</html>   --------------6539EF3AB37CD0629BC3D6F5--    
(back) Subject: Bach b minor Mass in NYC Sunday From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:30:58 EST   THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK presents   Johann Sebastian Bach's final choral masterpiece, the   MASS in b minor   Sunday afternoon, 18 March, 2001 at Four O'Clock   Ellen Goff Entriken, soprano Cheryl Zilinyi, mezzo-soprano Johnny Maldonado, countertenor Michael Smallwood, tenor Andrew Martens, bass   Walter Hilse, organ   The Choir of The First Presbyterian Church The First Church Orchestra William F. Entriken, DMA, Organist and Choirmaster, conducting   As with all large-scale choral works presented at First Presbyterian, this =   Mass will be considered a service of worship. Those of you who have = joined us before know that such concerts are usually overflow, turning people = away, so please arrive in time to assure yourself a good seat. A fellowship reception will follow the event. Please say hello if you attend.   The First Presbyterian Church is located on Fifth Avenue, from Eleventh to Twelfth Streets. 4,5,6,N,R,and L subways to Union Square 1,2,3, and 9 subways to Fourteenth Street and Seventh Avenue   See you there-- Sebastian Matthaus Gluck  
(back) Subject: Contact Info for William L. Wunsch From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:06:04 EST     --part1_da.3af81d8.27e296cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Does anyone have contact info for William F. Wunsch? Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy The National Shrine of the Little Flower (Geo. Kilgen & Son, Opus 5180, = 1933) "Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."     --part1_da.3af81d8.27e296cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Does anyone have = contact info for William F. Wunsch? &nbsp;Any assistance is <BR>greatly appreciated. &nbsp;Thanks so much. <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music and = Liturgy <BR>The National Shrine of the Little Flower (Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, Opus = 5180, 1933) <BR><I>"Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."</I> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_da.3af81d8.27e296cc_boundary--