PipeChat Digest #1897 - Friday, March 16, 2001
 
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear"
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear"
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Morton organ expansion proposal- San Diego
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear"
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear"
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Widor was Re: toward a theology of organ recitals
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
Re: Widor was Re: toward a theology of organ recitals
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Organ Voicing
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Creative Name Needed
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong
  by "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:03:54 -0600   Cindy,   The organ at Calvary Church is the organ that finished off the Moller company.. a 5 manual, 205 rank instrument... Opus #11739 ... it was not played at Dale Earnhart's funeral at all ... there are CD's available of this organ   Sand Lawn      
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear" From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:10:23 -0800 (PST)   Rick,   Playing by is is not the same as memorization, as someone already said. I can memorize but i can't play by ear very well (come to think of it, i don't memorize that well either! :-)   Say you hear " Titanic" on a cd, then go over and play it on the piano,,,,that is playing by ear.   Some of my students have such a keen ear for music, they will ask me to play a new piece for them. Well, I don't if they can pick it up by ear very very well. I make them go home and work through the notes.(I'm mean)otherwise they won't learn their notes,,,they depend too much on what it "sounds like".   On the other hand, some students do benefit from hearing the music played through on a new piece.   I think the ideal combination is a person who reads notes AND also plays by ear. Now there is a student with potential!! I think to play by ear is a gift and I tell my students that if they combine the two (ear and reading) they could really do well.   Do you know how we always blame our mothers for things? Well, my mother is the reason i don't play by ear.Whenever I was practicing and would start fiddling around with my own playing, mother would call in and say,"That's not practicing"!! Well, she had to pay for 14 years of piano lessons, so I guess I benefited anyway!! > Still not clear on the improv. part...     Playing by ear is sitting down cold to an instrument > and doing a recital > from the top of ones' head -sans sheet music. > > Right...........Wrong? > > Rick > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear" From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:11:25 -0800 (PST)   I like this definition. Makes sense to me.   --- VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote: > Improvising is diddling around with a well-known > tune in different tempos, > rhythms, arrangements, keys, etc. > >   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Morton organ expansion proposal- San Diego From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:11:35 EST   There's an interesting web page with a report on a proposal to expand the Robert-Morton theatre organ installed in Copley Symphony Hall, San Diego (once the Fox Theatre). Check it out at:   http://www.agosd.org/copley.htm   Dennis James Theatre Organist for the San Diego Symphony  
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear" From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:16:40 EST     --part1_81.836bbf9.27e2fbb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I beg your pardon. I may improvise in public, but I'll never diddle in public!!!!   Neil   --part1_81.836bbf9.27e2fbb8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I beg your pardon. = &nbsp;I may improvise in public, but I'll never diddle in <BR>public!!!! <BR> <BR>Neil</FONT></HTML>   --part1_81.836bbf9.27e2fbb8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:18:49 -0800 (PST)   Hi-   I like a challenge and my goal is to learn "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor. i have had one lesson! Am I crazy or what?   Is it as difficult as it sounds?       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:20:26 -0500   Cindy, there was discussion about this church back around the time of the funeral, and I remember it being reported as a huge 5M 200 rank Moller. Are the other 3 organs supposed to be in that church too?   Mike Gettelman   Cindy Adams wrote:   > Hi- > > Maybe the person who told me about the organ at > Memorial Pres. can tell me what kind of organ there > is in Calvary Church in Charlotte, NC? There is > supposed to be a recital there soon with 4 organs > being > played. No other details on the recital. > > this is the church where they had Dale Earnheart's > memorial service. Did anyone see it? the pianist was > great! but i dont recall any organ music. Pretty sure > they have an organ though. Have not been there in a > long time... Charlotte is my hometown. I miss > it...such > a pretty place in the spring!! Sorry to ramble... > > Not to brag but my dad was pastor of Calvary Church > in the olden days before it got so huge!! He laid > a good foundation!!:-) > --- ManderUSA@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/15/2001 8:43:55 PM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > The latter has a > > > cancel pneumatic that gives quite a whack, so you > > might get a surprise if > > > your foot happens to be on it when you press the > > GC piston! > > > > > > > I seem to remember reading something about such a > > device once found at > > Wanamakers almost thrusting the not enormous Mary > > Vogt over the balcony > > railing - almost! > > > > Am I imagining that? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Malcolm > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Cindy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear" From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:07:20 -0800   At 09:54 PM 3/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Playing by ear is sitting down cold to an instrument and doing a recital >from the top of ones' head -sans sheet music.<snip>   Wrong. That's playing from memory. "Playing by ear" has to do with tonal =   memory capability, and being able to translate such memory into actions to =   play an instrument. Typical example: Pianist hears a tune on the radio, sits down to piano and plays a good-enough arrangement of it from memory.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:21:38 -0800 (PST)   O.K. thanks for this information. What are the names of the CD;s? I am very interested in buying these.   Has anyone heard of the Alabama Theatre Organ here in Birmingham...? I have never seen it but plan to. Also, Samford University has a huge pipe organ in the Beason Divinity School. Didn't even know they had one there until I got to searching on the web.   --- Sand Lawn <sandlawn@bayou.com> wrote: > Cindy, > > The organ at Calvary Church is the organ that > finished off the Moller > company.. a 5 manual, 205 rank instrument... Opus > #11739 ... it was not > played at Dale Earnhart's funeral at all ... there > are CD's available of > this organ > > Sand Lawn > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Widor was Re: toward a theology of organ recitals From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:21:37 EST   Hey with a little bit of research, people are starting to wake up at = least. Fast is not necessarily better, just fast! It can get to the point of = being a marathon rather than thoughtful music. It becomes a blur, and unmusical. You actually approach cancellation of the fundamental, as it almost has no chance to speak in the 8' and 16' range. Reeds don't speak fast enough to bloom freely. Counterpoint? forget it! It at some point becomes just noise. Sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal? Perhaps, music hardly! Pride requires fast, humility, well you figure it = out!   Ron Severin   PS Schweitzer had nothing to do with Widor's formation, but they both made music!         In a message dated 3/15/2001 7:18:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, rringram@syr.edu writes:   << I heard a recording of Widor playing his own Toccata and it was ssssslllllloooooowwwwww. Granted, I've probably heard Anthony Newman play = it a few too many times, but I never would have thought from the "buoyancy" = of the music that Widor himself would have played it as such. Mayhaps he was still being influenced by Schweitzer. ;-) Anyone else heard this recording? Comments? >>  
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:22:44 EST     --part1_8d.3c3c84b.27e2fd24_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   challenging, but not overly difficult.     --part1_8d.3c3c84b.27e2fd24_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>challenging, but not = overly difficult. <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_8d.3c3c84b.27e2fd24_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:24:07 -0500   Cindy........what pieces can you play right now?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:27:03 -0500   Bach's Toccata and Fugue in d minor is by far his most famous composition, but not at all his most difficult. I had it down when I was 9.......and at that time, I hadn't taken any lessons yet.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:27:20 -0800 (PST)   Mike:   Not sure about this. I really don't have much infor. on this. My sister told me about the recital. She didn't have many details.     --- mike <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > Cindy, there was discussion about this church back > around the time of the > funeral, and I remember it being reported as a huge > 5M 200 rank Moller. > Are the other 3 organs supposed to be in that church > too? > > Mike Gettelman > > Cindy Adams wrote: > > > Hi- > > > > Maybe the person who told me about the organ at > > Memorial Pres. can tell me what kind of organ > there > > is in Calvary Church in Charlotte, NC? There is > > supposed to be a recital there soon with 4 organs > > being > > played. No other details on the recital. > > > > this is the church where they had Dale Earnheart's > > memorial service. Did anyone see it? the pianist > was > > great! but i dont recall any organ music. Pretty > sure > > they have an organ though. Have not been there in > a > > long time... Charlotte is my hometown. I miss > > it...such > > a pretty place in the spring!! Sorry to ramble... > > > > Not to brag but my dad was pastor of Calvary > Church > > in the olden days before it got so huge!! He laid > > a good foundation!!:-) > > --- ManderUSA@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/15/2001 8:43:55 PM Eastern > > > Standard Time, > > > jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > The latter has a > > > > cancel pneumatic that gives quite a whack, so > you > > > might get a surprise if > > > > your foot happens to be on it when you press > the > > > GC piston! > > > > > > > > > > I seem to remember reading something about such > a > > > device once found at > > > Wanamakers almost thrusting the not enormous > Mary > > > Vogt over the balcony > > > railing - almost! > > > > > > Am I imagining that? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Malcolm > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Cindy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:27:59 -0800 (PST)     --- Cindy Adams <clavinova98@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi- > > I like a challenge and my goal is to learn "Toccata > and > Fugue in D Minor. i have had one lesson! Am I crazy > or > what?   Well....at least the Toccata part! > > Is it as difficult as it sounds? > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Cindy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:25:56 -0600   The organ at the Alabama Theatre is a 1927 WurliTzer, #1785 ... four manuals, 20 ranks... the organ at Beeson Chapel at Samford University... (a wonderful room for music) is a 1995 LeTourneau, #45.. not a huge organ.. two manuals, 33 ranks.. but wonderful in the room.   Sand Lawn   Cindy Adams wrote:   > > Has anyone heard of the Alabama Theatre Organ here > in Birmingham...? I have never seen it but plan to. > Also, Samford University has a huge pipe organ in the > Beason Divinity School. Didn't even know they had one > there until I got to searching on the web. >    
(back) Subject: Re: Widor was Re: toward a theology of organ recitals From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:28:32 -0600   At 11:56 PM -0500 3/15/01, Bonnie Beth Derby wrote: >Rebekah, > >Widor was 88 years of age when he recorded his Toccata at Saint-Sulpice. = It >is interesting to hear what registrations he used at Saint-Sulpice and = what >the Cavaille-Coll sounded like in 1932.   Although many people seem to ascribe the tempo to Widor's advanced age when the recording was made, the tempo is exactly what is marking in the score. I happen to have my teacher's score which he used when he studied with Widor in the 20's and the metronome marking hand written in the score is the same as the recording. The Toccata has a wonderful grandeur if it is played at that tempo and with the correct registration which includes 16' manual stops and no screaming mixtures. Of course, if you are able to perform it in a church with decent reverberation that helps also.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:37:15 -0600   HI Cindy, No, it isn't as hard as it sounds but the key to successful practice is to practice it slowly. Don't play it any faster than you can when you make wrong notes. If you practice wrong notes then you will play wrong notes. Have fun. That's the first piece i learned to play too. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy Adams <clavinova98@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue     > > --- Cindy Adams <clavinova98@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi- > > > > I like a challenge and my goal is to learn "Toccata > > and > > Fugue in D Minor. i have had one lesson! Am I crazy > > or > > what? > > Well....at least the Toccata part! > > > > Is it as difficult as it sounds? > > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Cindy > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Cindy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Setting Goals-Toccata and Fugue From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:35:50 -0800 (PST)   Oh I had classical training for 14 yrs. and can play a lot of stuff, "Moonlight Sonata,(sort of rusty),I play classical hymn arrangements. I have always like difficult pieces...   Right now I am working on Prelude and Fugue in C minor       --- Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> wrote: > Cindy........what pieces can you play right now? > > Carlo > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Voicing From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:48:33 EST   Hi Mike:   Voicing is an art! The Barnes book is certainly a good start. Voicing can be only really learned by working in the voicing shop with a master voicer. There is a rank to rank relationship that develops. Salicional 8' and 4' sounds like a brighter string. Put a soft open flute or gedackt 8' with the 4' Salicional and you have a beautiful soft principal chorus. My question why is this most useful combination only available on small unit organs. Salicional 8' and a Bourdon 16' in the pedal, beautiful! Voicers make these wonderful surprises happen, they are not an accident. Need a Quintadena 8' draw a Salicional 8' and a soft fluty Nasard, this is surprisingly good, perfect NOT, but in a pinch good enough. Good registrations don't require a lot of stops, just a few good contrasting ones that blend and somehow become something else.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?/now Alabama From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:53:35 -0800 (PST)   Forgot to say....Thanks for the info.!   --- Sand Lawn <sandlawn@bayou.com> wrote: > The organ at the Alabama Theatre is a 1927 > WurliTzer, #1785 ... four > manuals, 20 ranks... the organ at Beeson Chapel at > Samford University... >   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Creative Name Needed From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:56:29 -0800 (PST)   HOW am I going to pick a name with all of the great suggestions I have gotten?   Thanks for your ideas!   --- Louis Katz <Louis.Katz@mail.tamucc.edu> wrote: > Organ Depot > > Organ Nation > > Organophilia > > Piperzine > > Louis > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:04:01 -0800 (PST)   Mike,   you seem sort of upset about this...was this comment made about something you had arranged? I sort of forgot the specifics of this post but remember the soprano's comments.   As a woman, let me tell you I never heard of pieces being too "masculine". I think that is sort of humorous. Maybe she is referring to great, massive arrangements or something. Now I would consider "A Mighty Fortress is our God" as a great dynamic piece but masculine??   Maybe she prefers quiet arrangements. This is a mystery to me. I am not an authority on the selections mentioned but wonder what others think about this statement.   They wont let you put this comment on the other list? Why?   Cindy, who is up wayyyy too late and will be yawning during piano lessons tomorrow! This list is better than sleeping!       > They won't let me at PIPORG-L. I > guess I would like to see a program of music the > below mentioned soprano selected > as "feminine" literature. Could she mean that > literature which more frequently > features the soprano voice? Could there be other > issues that render musical > scores gender specific? And here I thought I had > plenty to think about already. > > Cheers > Mike Gettelman > > Cpmnhartus@aol.com wrote: > > > 15 March 2001 > > > > Fellow Listers, your opinion, please. > > > > Last weekend, Philip Moore, Organist and Master of > the Music at York Minster, > > led two workshops and a service of Choral Evensong > at my church, St. Peter's > > Episcopal Church in Lewes, Delaware. The Friday > evening workshop for > > organists and choir directors and the all day > Saturday choir workshop was > > followed by a service of Choral Evensong on > Sunday. It was an extraordinary > > event and Philip Moore was an inspiration for all > the musicians. > > > > One of the choir workshop participants, a soprano, > commented that the music > > for Evensong was "masculine". Somehow, I never > thought of most church music > > as being gender specific, certainly not the music > we sang. Here it is. Your > > thoughtful comments are welcome. > > > > Sunday afternoon, 11th March at 4.00 o'clock. > > Philip Moore, Conductor of the Workshop Choir of > 50 voices > > George Bayley, Organist and Accompanist > > > > Voluntary "Carillon" > Leo Sowerby > > (played by George Bayley) > > Hymn "How Firm a Foundation" > Tune by J. M. Haydn > > Hymn "O Gracious Light" > Tallis' Canon > > Magnificat and Nunc Dimittis in D Minor T. A. > Walmisley > > He That Is Down Needs Fear No Fall Philip > Moore > > Like As the Hart Desireth the Waterbrooks > Herbert Howells > > Organ Selection "Piece Heroique" > Cesar Franck > > (played by Philip Moore) > > Hymn "The Day Thou Gavest, Lord, Is Ended" Tune > St. Clement > > > > All responses, the Apostle's Creed and the Lord's > Prayer sung. > > > > Do any of you call this music masculine? Is it > gender specific? I think the > > singer's comment is sexist rubbish. I'm interested > in your thoughts. > > > > George > > > > George W. Bayley > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong From: "Cindy Adams" <clavinova98@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:06:03 -0800 (PST)     OOps! Sorry Mike, It was George who posted about the soprano. (I think) Getting sleepy here....   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cindy   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/