PipeChat Digest #1904 - Friday, March 16, 2001
 
Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear"
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ Voicing
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
sight reading
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: playing by ear
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: sight reading
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Playing by ear
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church?
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1903 - 03/16/01
  by <StatRussell@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation vs. playing "by ear" From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:00:57 EST     --part1_86.83e2ab3.27e392b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/16/01 6:25:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > I think there is enough evidence from this discussion to say that = playing > by ear is a natural ability that is similar to the phenomenon of perfect > pitch, in individuals who possess it. >   Actually, anything can be a "natural gift". There was an organ student at =   UHouston who had a photographic memory. He would thumb through a piece of =   organ music and then sight read it from memory! (disgusting!! he's an = MD now!)   Some people can play by ear from childhood. Other people learn later in life. Improvisation can be an innate ability, but can also be learned. = It is very important not to let categories deter your advancement in any = area.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_86.83e2ab3.27e392b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/16/01 6:25:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think there is enough evidence from this discussion to = say that playing <BR>by ear is a natural ability that is similar to the phenomenon of = perfect <BR>pitch, in individuals who possess it. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Actually, anything can be a "natural gift". &nbsp;There was an organ = student at <BR>UHouston who had a photographic memory. &nbsp;He would thumb through a = piece of <BR>organ music and then sight read it from memory! &nbsp;(disgusting!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;he's an MD <BR>now!) &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Some people can play by ear from childhood. &nbsp;Other people learn = later in <BR>life. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Improvisation can be an innate ability, but = can also be learned. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>It is very important not to let categories deter your advancement in = any area. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_86.83e2ab3.27e392b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Voicing From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:04:47 EST     --part1_79.11a15aba.27e3939f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/16/01 6:47:40 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > , > > I believe the Voicer is the most talented musician in the organic > scheme of things. His decisions determine how close an instrument comes = to > sounding as designed, or duplicates a chosen style. It is upon his ear > that falls the responsibility for a successful sounding instrument.   It's very dangerous to lay the success of an instrument on one person, = unless that personal does all of the work. The voicer's art is often almost = lost if the finisher does not do his work. And if the mechanical people don't = do their work properly, the voicer and finisher can't do their work.   It's a team effort.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_79.11a15aba.27e3939f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/16/01 6:47:40 AM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">, <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I believe the Voicer is the most talented = musician in the organic <BR>scheme of things. His decisions determine how close an instrument = comes to <BR>sounding as designed, or duplicates a chosen style. It is upon his ear <BR>that falls the responsibility for a successful sounding instrument. = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It's very dangerous to lay the success of an instrument on one person, = unless <BR>that personal does all of the work. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The voicer's art = is often almost lost <BR>if the finisher does not do his work. &nbsp;&nbsp;And if the = mechanical people don't do <BR>their work properly, the voicer and finisher can't do their work. <BR> <BR>It's a team effort. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_79.11a15aba.27e3939f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: sight reading From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:06:03 -0800 (PST)   My general opinion, based on considerable experience, is that sight = reading is NOT as hard as it seems to many of us. For the adult, Bud's story about starting at page one in the hymnal and moving forward is a great way to = learn.   I did that, too. rules:   1. only play as many voices as you can correctly play, and at a speed = where you make no mistakes.   2. play alto and tenor, alto and bass (using pedal if your at the organ) = don't worry about the soprano too much - you can do that by ear!   3. play systematically - don't fill in the harmony - use beginning organ = hymn playing rules (geesh, I can't remember - they are different depending on method. I think I tied an innner repeated note, tenor, and repeated = everything else - I don't use the rules much now, but when it is an unfamiliar hymn, = I tend to play by the rules!)   4. look at the vertical harmony - from the bass up, this helps you play chordally. I always looked from the soprano down - not good - when you = branch out into pianistic anthems, etc., you need to know what chord is on each = beat, then at least your in the ballpark.   5. If you're a beginner - DO WHAT YOUR TEACHER TELLS YOU! IF YOU CAN'T, = FIND SOMEONE YOU TRUST. Like an adult looking back on life, you realize that = your parents DID know what they were talking about!!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Philip Moore Workshops & Evensong From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:07:02 EST     --part1_78.11ef013b.27e39426_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/16/01 6:51:54 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = clavinova98@yahoo.com writes:     > As a woman, let me tell you I never heard of pieces > being too "masculine". I think that is sort of > humorous. Maybe she is referring to great, massive > arrangements or something. Now I would consider "A > Mighty Fortress is our God" as a great dynamic piece > but masculine?? > >   I think this woman-person's problem is that ALL of the music was written = by MEN. Plain and simple. She's got a problem that can only be addressed = at a conference on women's music.     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_78.11ef013b.27e39426_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/16/01 6:51:54 AM !!!First Boot!!!, clavinova98@yahoo.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As a woman, let me = tell you I never heard of pieces <BR>being too "masculine". I think that is sort of <BR>humorous. Maybe she is referring to great, massive <BR>arrangements or something. Now I would consider "A <BR>Mighty Fortress is our God" as a great dynamic piece <BR>but masculine?? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I think this woman-person's problem is that ALL of the music was = written by <BR>MEN. &nbsp;Plain and simple. &nbsp;&nbsp;She's got a problem that can = only be addressed at a <BR>conference on women's music. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_78.11ef013b.27e39426_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: playing by ear From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:17:31 EST     --part1_93.83c3c4a.27e3969b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Malcolm you raise a valid point. While the notation system we have is far from perfect, it's about as good as it gets. Playing by ear is a = wonderful gift, but it does have its limits.   Being able to read music is a learned skill that every1 should acquire to some degree or other. This other system you mention sounds like a = shorthand version or a way to avoid learning to read real music. (Just my opinion).   Back in 80s, I went to New Orleans on vacation and took in a concert (?) = at the Preservation Hall. What an experience. Everyone of those folks were true musicians, but couldn't read a lick of music. I mean the technical skill of the pianist was out of sight. But he was quite proud of his non-reading status. OR was he?   My own thought is, think of how much rehearsal time is wasted in so many = many ensembles (of various styles), because people cannot read. There's = nothing wrong with rote learning, and it has its place, but I'm wondering if the mindset is that music reading gets in the way? But in fact, it's the opposite. It opens doors.   O well, I'm done. Neil       --part1_93.83c3c4a.27e3969b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Malcolm you raise a = valid point. While the notation system we have is far <BR>from perfect, it's about as good as it gets. &nbsp;Playing by ear is a = wonderful <BR>gift, but it does have its limits. <BR> <BR>Being able to read music is a learned skill that every1 should acquire = to <BR>some degree or other. &nbsp;This other system you mention sounds like = a shorthand <BR>version or a way to avoid learning to read real music. &nbsp;(Just my = opinion). <BR> <BR>Back in 80s, I went to New Orleans on vacation and took in a concert = (?) at <BR>the Preservation Hall. &nbsp;What an experience. &nbsp;Everyone of = those folks were <BR>true musicians, but couldn't read a lick of music. &nbsp;&nbsp;I mean = the technical <BR>skill of the pianist was out of sight. &nbsp;But he was quite proud of = his <BR>non-reading status. OR was he? <BR> <BR>My own thought is, think of how much rehearsal time is wasted in so = many many <BR>ensembles (of various styles), because people cannot read. = &nbsp;There's nothing <BR>wrong with rote learning, and it has its place, but I'm wondering if = the <BR>mindset is that music reading gets in the way? &nbsp;But in fact, it's = the <BR>opposite. &nbsp;It opens doors. <BR> <BR>O well, I'm done. <BR>Neil <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_93.83c3c4a.27e3969b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: sight reading From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:28:34 EST     --part1_cc.121cba3f.27e39932_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To add to Randy's rules: PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE   --part1_cc.121cba3f.27e39932_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>To add to Randy's = rules: &nbsp;PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cc.121cba3f.27e39932_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:26:33 EST     --part1_ab.7c2f8cc.27e398b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Scott, and friends, I think your story of Calvary points to a societal = issue, not really a church one, except where they have allowed society to color = the church.   Look at all the companies out there changing names, downsizing etc! Look = at all the radio stations that continually change formats. Society today = cannot stand to stand still.   Boy, do we ever need to hear the words again: "Be still and know that I = am God".   or, "Take TIME to be holy".   The Church has allowed itself to resemble society, rather than being = beacons within society: beacons of light, hope, stability, faith, salvation, etc. =   And that whole thing dumps itself on the music programs of churches. IF = they aren't cutting music, they are changing it. AND FAST!!!   I consider it poor stewardship to spend large sums on instruments for them = to sit idle. And, I consider it poor stewardship of good musicians in the congregation, to allow non-readers, non-musicians, and non-give-a-hoots to =   run music programs or staff them.   It's all a matter of the heart. And the heart ain't got it, I'm afraid.   Neil Brown staying the course (so far)   --part1_ab.7c2f8cc.27e398b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Scott, and friends, I = think your story of Calvary points to a societal issue, <BR>not really a church one, except where they have allowed society to = color the <BR>church. <BR> <BR>Look at all the companies out there changing names, downsizing etc! = &nbsp;Look at <BR>all the radio stations that continually change formats. &nbsp;Society = today cannot <BR>stand to stand still. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Boy, do we ever need to hear the words again: &nbsp;"Be still and know = that I am <BR>God". <BR> <BR>or, &nbsp;"Take TIME to be holy". &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The Church has allowed itself to resemble society, rather than being = beacons <BR>within society: beacons of light, hope, stability, faith, salvation, = etc. &nbsp; <BR>And that whole thing dumps itself on the music programs of churches. = &nbsp;IF they <BR>aren't cutting music, they are changing it. &nbsp;AND FAST!!! <BR> <BR>I consider it poor stewardship to spend large sums on instruments for = them to <BR>sit idle. &nbsp;And, I consider it poor stewardship of good musicians = in the <BR>congregation, to allow non-readers, non-musicians, and = non-give-a-hoots to <BR>run music programs or staff them. <BR> <BR>It's all a matter of the heart. &nbsp;And the heart ain't got it, I'm = afraid. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR>staying the course (so far)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ab.7c2f8cc.27e398b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Playing by ear From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:30:55 EST   Hello to all,   From one who knows first hand, playing by ear can be a blessing as well as = a curse. I will completely agree that playing from memory and playing by = ear are not one in the same, not even close. Nor do I find improvisation, in = its strictest sense, to be a form of playing by ear.   Even as a child starting out on piano, I was cursed with a rather acute musical ear. If I heard a composition, I could almost play it correctly = the second time from memory. This required a certain discipline to follow the =   notes of the score, something that few children have at such an early age (discipline). My teacher was not impressed with the >liberties< taken in = my performances and, to her credit and my benefit, forced me into exercises which were not altogether melodious, thus I had to follow the notes in = order to play the piece.   Playing by ear was to emerge as an extreme benefit later in life when I = chose to follow commercial music. It allowed me to develop a unique style in keyboard technique, both in piano and organ. Commercially, cookie-cutter musicians are a dime a dozen and usually are not in great demand. From a classical literature perspective, improvising or substituting from the original score is not usually a thing warmly regarded. With this = predicate I concur totally. But being able to "compose and play on the fly" is also = an asset. I know musicians who can read like a fiend the most difficult = score and play it virtually in flawless manner the very first time, but could = not play "Happy Birthday" without notes in front of them. My impression of = these >technicians< is that they have been shortchanged along the way, although = I still envy their sight reading capabilities.   To those with the natural talent to hear the melody and harmony, thus = being able to develop a "play by ear" capability, by all means develop it and = have fun. However, do not allow such a talent to rob you of learning to read music of all types. Inability to read music locks you in your own closet = and closes the door to many joys that have been penned by great composers.   Jim    
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: "Dan Miller" <dmiller@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:34:33 PDT   Hi Scott,   Let me bring you up to date:   > > >this is the church where they had Dale Earnheart's > > >memorial service. <snip> > > Yes, and yes, we had no organ music there.   Unfortunately, yes, that was the family's request.   > Jesse Helms has nothing to do with the downfall of Calvary Church. When = Dr. > Ross Rhodes founded and pastored Calvary decades ago it was a break off = from the > Presbyterian Church and became nondenominational.   The church has always been independent and non-denominational (even though the original name was "Calvary Presbyterian Bible Church"). Some of =   the charter members include the parents of Dr. Billy Graham.   It is > now a dwindling congregation that can barely get anyone into the = facility for > Sunday services where, in the past, they has three Sunday services which = were > full to the ceiling of the Radio City Music Hall-sized sanctuary with = 6000+ > worshippers, a full choir numbering over 200 and they did rather good > repertoire. the facilities are and have been falling apart   The congregation's size fluctuated in the past, but now is strong and = really growing. Same with the choir. The church has 3 morning services (8 AM is = in the Chapel) plus an evening service.   > Regarding the organ? Well, they are scared of it and don't know what = they have.   Many in the congregation love the organ and support it enthusiastically (especially those at the 10:45 traditional service).   > Some of the divisions (Bombarde and big Pedal reeds) fell into = disrepair from > water damage   The Bombarde and Solo, and 32 Bombarde have been restored. The roof is fixed. Calvary has always supported care and maintenance of the organ. = The curators are there every Monday.   That is, when the organ > console is even IN the Sanctuary as I hear it is kept downstairs, in = storage, > and out of sight.   Only for unusual occasions, such as large concert presentations. The = platform has a hydraulic lift to transport the organ console, or the church's 2 = concert grand pianos, music stands, etc. from stage level to lower levels. For the =   Christmas and Easter presentations in the past, the organ console was brought offstage to the sanctuary floor level (by forklift!) and played = from the main floor. > > Now the organ gets played ... on Christmas and Easter for MAYBE two > hymns if that.   The organ is heard every Sunday at the 10:45 service, played by Calvary organist J. Marty Cope, for prelude, postlude, hymns, choir = accompaniments, solos, and vocal accompaniments. J.Marty is a superb organist for service playing and concert, understands the organ well and knows how to use it to =   its fullest potential. The choir and congregation love him. (And I'm proud = that he's a former student of mine).   The last time I was > there I performed with Tom Hazleton and they say that the audience was = the last > biggest crowd to attend an organ concert at Calvary and enjoy the sounds = of the > great Moller.   Yes your concert was absolutely fantastic and I'll never forget it! = However, I played a concert there Nov 26, 2000, to an audience of approx 3,500 +     Your friend and fan :-)   Dan  
(back) Subject: Re: Information on organ at Calvary Church? From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:43:14 EST     --part1_62.cc4851b.27e39ca2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   In a message dated 3/16/01 11:33:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:   > I consider it poor stewardship to spend large sums on instruments for = them=3D =3D20 > to=3D20 > sit idle. =3D20   True indeed, but please remember that when the organ was purchased the = churc=3D h=3D20 had an overflowing congregation that appreciated it as did the = administratio=3D n=3D20 and clergy. The church has only in recent years been taken over by = this=3D20 other faction "Promise Keepers" which, I hear, is even now defunct as = well.=3D20=3D =3D20 (Thank GOD!)     And, I consider it poor stewardship of good musicians in the=3D20 > congregation, to allow non-readers, non-musicians, and non-give-a-hoots = to=3D =3D20 > run music programs or staff them.=3D20 > It's all a matter of the heart. And the heart ain't got it, I'm afraid. = =3D20=3D =3D20   OK, and that's the current Calvary Church in Charlotte, in addition to = HOW=3D20 many others just like it around the country today? (PS- my choir is = singing=3D =3D20 Charles Villiers Stanford this Sunday.)   LITURGICALLY yours <giggle> =3D20 SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, Opus 5180, 1933) =3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens, fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D   --part1_62.cc4851b.27e39ca2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated = 3/16/01 11:=3D 33:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,=3D20 <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I consider it poor = stewards=3D hip to spend large sums on instruments for them=3D20 <BR>to=3D20 <BR>sit idle. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSS=3D ERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">True indeed, but please remember that when the organ was = pur=3D chased the church=3D20 <BR>had an overflowing congregation that appreciated it as did the = administr=3D ation=3D20 <BR>and clergy. &nbsp;The church has only in recent years been taken over = by=3D this=3D20 <BR>other faction "Promise Keepers" which, I hear, is even now defunct as = we=3D ll. &nbsp; <BR>(Thank GOD!) <BR> <BR> <BR>And, I consider it poor stewardship of good musicians in the=3D20 <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">congregation, to allow = non-=3D readers, non-musicians, and non-give-a-hoots to=3D20 <BR>run music programs or staff them.=3D20 <BR>It's all a matter of the heart. &nbsp;And the heart ain't got it, I'm = af=3D raid. &nbsp;&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>OK, and that's the current Calvary Church in Charlotte, in addition to = H=3D OW=3D20 <BR>many others just like it around the country today? &nbsp;(PS- my choir = i=3D s singing=3D20 <BR>Charles Villiers Stanford this Sunday.) <BR> <BR>LITURGICALLY yours &lt;giggle&gt; <BR>=3D20 <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music <BR>THE NATIONAL SHRINE OF THE LITTLE FLOWER, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>=3DE2=3D80=3D9CCantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat = dicens, <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non = confundar.=3DE2=3D80=3D9D</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_62.cc4851b.27e39ca2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1903 - 03/16/01 From: <StatRussell@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 12:19:32 EST     --part1_72.8af01fc.27e3a524_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   RE: Calvary Church organ.... Mucho thanks to Scott Foppiano for his comments and history regarding this instrument. Isn't it pathetic that a person has to "make a profession of faith" in order to play music on a beautiful organ like that. I thought we had finished with loyalty oaths = when Joe McCarthy was censured. As a Roman Catholic with vast theological differences with Fundamentalist Religion(s), the idea that we have to = scream it from the mountaintop everyday just doesn't cut it with me.     --part1_72.8af01fc.27e3a524_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>RE: &nbsp;Calvary = Church organ.... &nbsp;Mucho thanks to Scott Foppiano for his <BR>comments and history regarding this instrument. &nbsp;Isn't it = pathetic that a <BR>person has to "make a &nbsp;profession of faith" &nbsp;in order to = play music on a <BR>beautiful organ like that. &nbsp;I thought we had finished with = loyalty oaths when <BR>Joe McCarthy was censured. &nbsp;As a Roman Catholic with vast = theological <BR>differences with Fundamentalist Religion(s), &nbsp;the idea that we = have to scream <BR>it from the mountaintop everyday just doesn't cut it with me. &nbsp; <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML>   --part1_72.8af01fc.27e3a524_boundary--