PipeChat Digest #1914 - Saturday, March 17, 2001
 
Re: Organ Gala--Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Organ Gala--Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: Faux Bach: Who dunnit?
  by "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ Gala--Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:51:45 EST     --part1_17.130d34b1.27e47fa1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/17/01 8:07:35 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = Pologaptommy@aol.com writes:     > It make me want to be > there, and with your description I could almost see Jacoby Hall, and = hear > the > organ tones filling the air... >   Words really can't do it!!! The way that organ permeates the room is stunning. I've never heard and organ respond to a room like that (or = vice versa!). I hope to have some photographs on my webpage soon. It really = is a beautiful room.   I'm looking forward to spending an afternoon alone with it soon. It's the =   kind of instrument you can just wallow in!!   Do attend more organ recitals. Even the not so good ones are educational =   (as long as there are pipes involved!). Then, as you hear more and more instruments, you will then know when you've heard a really good one. I actually recall the days when the 3/17 Wicks I played sounded wonderful to =   me. I also remember when the first organ I ever heard, a 3/30ish = 1908/27 Pilcher sounded fantastic. IT still does, rather did until the carpet = went in. The great remains!!   Thanks for your note.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_17.130d34b1.27e47fa1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/17/01 8:07:35 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Pologaptommy@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It make me want to = be <BR>there, and with your description I could almost see Jacoby Hall, and = hear <BR>the <BR>organ tones filling the air... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Words really can't do it!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The way that organ = permeates the room is <BR>stunning. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've never heard and organ respond to a room = like that (or vice <BR>versa!). &nbsp;I hope to have some photographs on my webpage soon. = &nbsp;It really is a <BR>beautiful room. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I'm looking forward to spending an afternoon alone with it soon. = &nbsp;It's the <BR>kind of instrument you can just wallow in!! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Do attend more organ recitals. &nbsp;&nbsp;Even the not so good ones = are educational <BR>(as long as there are pipes involved!). &nbsp;Then, as you hear more = and more <BR>instruments, you will then know when you've heard a really good one. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I <BR>actually recall the days when the 3/17 Wicks I played sounded = wonderful to <BR>me. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I also remember when the first organ I = ever heard, a 3/30ish 1908/27 <BR>Pilcher sounded fantastic. &nbsp;&nbsp;IT still does, rather did until = the carpet went <BR>in. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The great remains!! <BR> <BR>Thanks for your note. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17.130d34b1.27e47fa1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Gala--Jacksonville Symphony Orchestra From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:00:38 EST   In a message dated 3/17/01 2:32:50 AM Central Standard Time, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:   << I think only Virgil Fox recorded it (on the repackaged C-C at the ex-Trocadero in Paris) in 1959, and it was a rather unfortunate example, what with Fox bowling over the orchestra with tuttis and supercouplers at =   every opportunity. I'm very happy this excellent work is being performed =   again. It may win the organ many new fans! >>   Unless there are two Jongen SC's (Telarc isn't always good about providing =   opus numbers), I have a recording of Michael Murray playing this piece at Davies with the SFSO. YUM. This recording is well-balanced, with organ and =   orchestra taking turns in the limelight, and I love Murray's = registrations. I was introduced to Jongen when Mary Preston played his Toccata from symph...uhh...1? last month- I thought the Meyerson was going to rumble = right down Ross Avenue. After the piece was over and we were faced with the anticlimax of intermission I looked around and was amazed at all the sour faces! I felt I was the only one in the hall with good taste, heehee. Why isn't Jongen performed more, in general? Don't people know what their missing??   Mandy <---feeling rather rhetorical tonight  
(back) Subject: Re: Faux Bach: Who dunnit? From: "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:00:51 +1100 (EST)       On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Bob Scarborough wrote:   > I've oft wondered this very issue. When one pores through the entire > catalog of Bach's output, S. 565 rather "sticks out like a sore thumb", = in > terms of construction. I may be neglected a work here and there, but = the > methods used in the S. 565 Toccata are dissimilar to anything else he > produced, raising a genuine question as to authenticity. I haven't kept = up > on the latest musicological archeology regarding this, but I've heard = there > are more than one Bach academic calling for its removal. A similar flap =   > existed (continues?) over the "Eight Little Preludes and Fugues", which > again, upon inspection, diverges from Bach's traditional constructive > methods of composition sufficiently to pose questions.   > > Any practitioners of musicology care to comment? >   Although I'm hardly a musicologist, I did have cause to look into this a couple of years ago. The "concensus" then appeared to be that because of the simple techniques that it [565] uses (esp. the opening of the Toccata), that it probably was orginally a violin piece in a minor, written by one of his students perhaps. At the time, I think that it was felt that it should not be removed, but things may have changed.   There were of course more reasons, dealing specifically with sections of the piece, but I've forgotten now unfortunately.   There is some difficulty I believe in separating the works of J.S Bach and his students.   Mark.   > DeserTBoB >