PipeChat Digest #1920 - Saturday, March 17, 2001
 
Re: armonica
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Toronto streetcars (trams) ; other PCCs....
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: Toronto
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Eastern Orthodox
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
OT:  Wicked GM, General Tire and Standard Oil
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: playing by ear
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!!
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Wicked GM, General Tire and Standard Oil
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Clear shutters; was Small organs: et al.
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Off Topic-Experiencing God
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
Learning Pieces
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure?  Two chamber enclosure?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: armonica
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Learning Pieces
  by "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com>
Re: Learning Pieces
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!!
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!!
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: armonica From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:23:44 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C0AEF6.40EF8240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   It's a little early for olives, isn't it? Where I live the sun isn't =3D even close to being over the yardarm. pab ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: Re: armonica     In a message dated 3/17/01 1:53:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, =3D pab@inreach.com=3D20 writes:=3D20       I needed to do some research on the origin of the glass (h)armonica = =3D a couple=3D20 years ago and found a great site at: http://finkenbeiner.bcn.net/ = =3D It=3D20 really put things in perspective for me to realize that Ben Franklin = =3D and=3D20 Mozart were alive at the same time. IIRC, Beethoven also wrote =3D something=3D20 for it, also.=3D20       This is fascinating, but as I try to experiment with it, the olive =3D keeps=3D20 getting in the way!! ;-)=3D20   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C0AEF6.40EF8240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>It's a little early for olives, isn't it?&nbsp; =3D Where I live=3D20 the sun isn't even close to being over the yardarm.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>pab</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 17, 2001 = =3D 8:10=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: armonica</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 3/17/01 1:53:29 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pab@inreach.com">pab@inreach.com</A> <BR>writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I needed to do some research on the origin of the = glass=3D20 (h)armonica a couple <BR>years ago and found a great site at: =3D &nbsp;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://finkenbeiner.bcn.net/">http://finkenbeiner.bcn.net/</A>=3D= 20 &nbsp;It <BR>really put things in perspective for me to realize that = =3D Ben=3D20 Franklin and <BR>Mozart were alive at the same time. &nbsp;IIRC, =3D Beethoven=3D20 also wrote something <BR>for it, also. <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>This is =3D fascinating,=3D20 but as I try to experiment with it, the olive keeps <BR>getting in the = =3D way!!=3D20 &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~=3D20 &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the =3D Beagle's Nest=3D20 ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0057_01C0AEF6.40EF8240--    
(back) Subject: Toronto streetcars (trams) ; other PCCs.... From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:41:13 +0800 (CST)       On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 01:43 PM 3/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >They still have the trolley cars here (called trams in Britain): = powered up > >overhead electric lines. The overhead lines may not be so esthetic; = but > >Toronto has certainly minimized its air pollution --- in comparison to = other > >major North American cities --- by keeping the electric trolleys. They = are > >also much more fun to ride than those smoke-belching diesel buses one = finds > >in most North American cities.<snip> > > I cannot remember for certain, since the last time I was in Toronto was > 1974, but I think the Toronto Transit was still running spotlessly clean =   > PCC cars, a North American staple through the 1930's.   The PCC cars were wonderful.... the development of the PCC started in the early 30s.... I have nice memories of buzzing along at 42 m. p. h. (their top speed) on the route 20 Cabin John line, which ran from Washington, D. C.'s Union Station to a locale just short of Cabin John, Md.... you could get off at Glen Echo amusement park on the way with your significant other and significant friends/family, and enjoy yourself there, too... (weekends with good weather were terribly crowded, = however).   I regret very much not ever taking route 82 from the Dept. of Interior out to Branchville, Md.... If I had done it when I was in kindergarten, I could have taken the line out to Beltsville, Md., before it was cut back to Branchville....   There are PCCs which originally ran in other cities still running in San Francisco, CA....   In addition, the Mattapan-Ashmont line in Boston still has a very few running (that line doesn't need too many, because the line is not too long...)     I'm sure they've > been replaced by now. To affix blame as to where electric trollies in = the > US went, one only has to blame General Motors, as was proved in lawsuit > after lawsuit, all to no avail. GM never got enough political muscle in =   > Canada to do the same, although I'm sure they tried. > > DeserTboB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Toronto From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:36:42 -0600   At 02:43 PM 3/17/01 -0800, you wrote: >At 01:43 PM 3/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I cannot remember for certain, since the last time I was in Toronto was >1974, but I think the Toronto Transit was still running spotlessly clean >PCC cars, a North American staple through the 1930's. I'm sure they've >been replaced by now. To affix blame as to where electric trollies in = the >US went, one only has to blame General Motors, as was proved in lawsuit >after lawsuit, all to no avail. GM never got enough political muscle in >Canada to do the same, although I'm sure they tried. > >DeserTboB Toronto has a larger version what could be the next generation of PCCs = had they survived. GM is a handy target, but short sided thinking is also to blame...get rid of the tracks in the street and ugly overhead wires. The Bay area got rid the Key System only to spend millions re-inventing it = with BART which operates over most of the old Key System routes....LA got rid = of the Pacific Electric and has spent millions to re-invent the Long Beach Line and has several others they're trying to fund. There are probably = many other examples including the line being built over the former Oregon Electric line in the Portland area. Pipe Organs and trolley cars still generate nostalgic interest.   Jon    
(back) Subject: Re: Eastern Orthodox From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:45:18 EST   In a message dated 3/17/01 2:51:20 PM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   << don't EVER call Russian Orthodox Christians "Greek Orthodox" (grin) ... them's fightin' words (grin) >>   Oh dear...if there are any RUSSIAN Orthodox organists on this list, I = humble myself before you! (This is probably how the cold war REALLY got = started...)   Thanks for the great info, Bud!   Mandy  
(back) Subject: OT: Wicked GM, General Tire and Standard Oil From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:47:02 -0800   At 05:36 PM 3/17/2001 -0600, you wrote: The Bay area got rid the Key System only to spend millions re-inventing it =   with BART which operates over most of the old Key System routes....LA got rid of the Pacific Electric and has spent millions to re-invent the Long Beach Line and has several others they're trying to fund.<snip>   Obviously you don't know about the collusion between GM executives and puppet companies, like Pacific Coach Lines, controlled by GM, that decimated the PE and Key System lines in the 1950s. GM was found guilty = of this in Los Angeles County Superior Court in 1958, and paid a $5,000 fine...their reward for applying millions worth of financial "grease" to various politicians in LA county. To GM, this was just a cost of doing business, that being, sell uncomfortable, slow, smelly buses, and thence, sell more cars. A quick look at the LA Times, SF Chronicle and other archives document the story well.   Of course, all the trolley and interurban lines were replaced the GM coaches, riding on General Tires, burning Standard Oil of California = diesel fuel. These were found to be the three main co-conspirators in both court =   cases. After the PE and Key System brouhahas, SF's "Muni", seeing the political implications, refused to buy GM coaches or burn Standard fuel = for years, opting instead to buy buses from Mack, a rarity indeed. They also keep their "trackless trolleys" in service to this day, as well as some restored PCC cars. The old Macks soldiered on into the '70s.   GM's unethical corporate behavior reached into every sector of the US economy in the '50s and '60s, much to the personal chagrin of its former president, Alfred P. Sloan. After the LA Pacific Electric trial, Sloan = was quoted as saying, "I'm ashamed I was ever associated with this company." Sloan, as well as "Boss" Kettering, who in 1938 invented the wasteful 2 stroke diesel that powered GM coaches into the '80s, gave most of their fortunes earned from GM away to charities, including funding the Sloan-Kettering Research Clinic, a world leader in cancer research. Guilt =   complex at work, perhaps?   And now, back to our regularly scheduled piping off.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: playing by ear From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:05:34 -0500   At 02:51 AM 3/16/2001 -0500, Mike wrote: >How about "Ride of the Valkaries" and Hitler, For me, the Valkyries belong to the flying toasters (screen = saver) of AfterDark. The demented programmers at Berkley Systems even provided karaoke lyrics for those inclined to sing along with the winged appliances. "duh duh duhduh duhh duuuuh...."   Have fun! Ad ;->          
(back) Subject: ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!! From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:13:12 -0600   Ladies and Gentlemen,   My, but we've had a busy week around Pipechat! This is all well and good, except that it has taken a GREAT DEAL more bandwidth than necessary, due = to numerous extreme instances of unnecessary quoting in replies sent to the List.   And so, I again remind everyone of a few things.   When replying *to the List* to someone's previous post, use your cut/paste/delete features to quote ONLY the portion of the previous = message that you are referring to. This should be a couple sentences to a paragraph AT THE MOST. Remember that everyone else on the List has = already seen the message that you are replying to -- they don't all need to see it AGAIN. There is no excuse for postings showing up on the List bearing multiple footers -- this at LEAST should always be deleted from a reply. =     This editing is especially important when replying to messages sent to you in Digest format. Using <reply> blindly in this case adds your comments = to a copy of the ENTIRE digest and sends it back out to everyone. Amongst other technical things, having multiple Digests bouncing around really ANNOYS the List Administration...<g>...PLEASE don't do it!!!   Another note to Digest subscribers: when using the <reply> feature, the subject line should be changed to reflect the title of the thread being replied to. <re: Topic so-and-such> vs. <re: Pipechat Digest #1234...>.   Finally, the requisite plea to please send messages to the List in PLAIN TEXT FORMAT ONLY, if it is possible for you to do so.   Thank you, everyone, for your continued participation in Pipechat.   Tim Bovard Pipechat Co-Administrator <admin@pipechat.org> <tmbovard@arkansas.net>          
(back) Subject: Re: Wicked GM, General Tire and Standard Oil From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:38:15 -0500   Geez,, sort of reminds you of our congress now. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: OT: Wicked GM, General Tire and Standard Oil     > At 05:36 PM 3/17/2001 -0600, you wrote: > The Bay area got rid the Key System only to spend millions re-inventing = it > with BART which operates over most of the old Key System routes....LA = got > rid of the Pacific Electric and has spent millions to re-invent the Long > Beach Line and has several others they're trying to fund.<snip> > > Obviously you don't know about the collusion between GM executives and > puppet companies, like Pacific Coach Lines, controlled by GM, that > decimated the PE and Key System lines in the 1950s. GM was found guilty of > this in Los Angeles County Superior Court in 1958, and paid a $5,000 > fine...their reward for applying millions worth of financial "grease" to > various politicians in LA county. To GM, this was just a cost of doing > business, that being, sell uncomfortable, slow, smelly buses, and = thence, > sell more cars. A quick look at the LA Times, SF Chronicle and other > archives document the story well. > > Of course, all the trolley and interurban lines were replaced the GM > coaches, riding on General Tires, burning Standard Oil of California diesel > fuel. These were found to be the three main co-conspirators in both = court > cases. After the PE and Key System brouhahas, SF's "Muni", seeing the > political implications, refused to buy GM coaches or burn Standard fuel for > years, opting instead to buy buses from Mack, a rarity indeed. They = also > keep their "trackless trolleys" in service to this day, as well as some > restored PCC cars. The old Macks soldiered on into the '70s. > > GM's unethical corporate behavior reached into every sector of the US > economy in the '50s and '60s, much to the personal chagrin of its former > president, Alfred P. Sloan. After the LA Pacific Electric trial, Sloan was > quoted as saying, "I'm ashamed I was ever associated with this > company." Sloan, as well as "Boss" Kettering, who in 1938 invented the > wasteful 2 stroke diesel that powered GM coaches into the '80s, gave = most > of their fortunes earned from GM away to charities, including funding = the > Sloan-Kettering Research Clinic, a world leader in cancer research. = Guilt > complex at work, perhaps? > > And now, back to our regularly scheduled piping off. > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Clear shutters; was Small organs: et al. From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:36:26 -0600   The Organ Stop Pizza in Mesa AZ has clear shutters lighted inside, and so on and so forth. 4 chambers if I remember correctly. A fun place, Whenever I get to Mesa, I won't miss it.   Another pizza place in California has plate glass in front of the pipes and the shutters are above.   Luther      
(back) Subject: Off Topic-Experiencing God From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:23:19 -0800 (PST)   Hi-   A few months back our choir did the musical "Experiencing God". Have any of you done this in your churches. I have the cd created by Gary Rhodes and Claire Cloninger. No organ music that i know of but it's still great! :-)   My favorites are "Abba Father" and "On my Knees" and another one that escapes me right now.   When our church did it, I was teary-eyed (well o.k....crying!) after "Abba Father"...something about those little children's voices with the orchestra and adult choir. I guess as a mom, those little voices really get to me!!!   choirs orchestra --- Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > Yep. We saw some of his "efforts" at the OHS > convention. Every country > must have "one" I suppose! ;-) > > Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ > ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Visit Howling Acres at > http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Learning Pieces From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:33:58 -0800 (PST)   Hi-   Another beginner question. When learning a new piece, do those of you with a piano background learn it first on the piano, organ or both. Is there anything "wrong" with learning a piece on the piano with the intent of learning to play it on the organ or am i going to have to 'relearn' playing it on the organ?( and should i not learn it first on the piano? )               __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:42:53 EST     --part1_ad.85179ba.27e588bd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/17/01 11:19:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > although Hinners in their day was probably the Moller/Wicks of the time = ... > the Model T Ford, if you will.   That may well be, but the Hinners we heard at a previous OHS convention = were quite nice. The craftsmanship and quality of work were included in all organs they made, and it still shows.   I still believe, and this is one of my main reasons for objecting the unification, etc., is that once rules began to be broken, each succeeding rule is easier to break.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_ad.85179ba.27e588bd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/17/01 11:19:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">although Hinners = in their day was probably the Moller/Wicks of the time ... <BR>the Model T Ford, if you will. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>That may well be, but the Hinners we heard at a previous OHS = convention were <BR>quite nice. &nbsp;&nbsp;The craftsmanship and quality of work were = included in all <BR>organs they made, and it still shows. <BR> <BR>I still believe, and this is one of my main reasons for objecting the <BR>unification, etc., is that once rules began to be broken, each = succeeding <BR>rule is easier to break. <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.85179ba.27e588bd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: armonica From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:47:42 EST     --part1_94.119567b9.27e589de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/17/01 11:27:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pab@inreach.com writes:     > ?   Ah! Sounds like a wonderful view!! ;-) Olive time will come!! ;-)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_94.119567b9.27e589de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/17/01 11:27:50 PM !!!First Boot!!!, pab@inreach.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">? &nbsp;Where I = live the sun isn't even close to being over the yardarm.</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Ah! &nbsp;Sounds like a wonderful view!! &nbsp;;-) = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Olive time will come!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_94.119567b9.27e589de_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Learning Pieces From: "Patricia A. Blissenbach" <pab@inreach.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:52:52 -0800   Hi Cindy, I think at first it was better for me to learn new organ music on the = organ. The attack is so entirely different. If I practiced on the piano, my = touch on the organ wasn't so hot. I tended to clip the sound a bit too short. = It took me a year or more to be able to think organ sound while playing keyboard parts on the piano. The attack for the organ keyboard is just as important as it is for piano. But the comparison ends there. They are really two entirely different instruments. There is so much to more to learn about playing the pipe organ and new reflexes to train.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>   > Hi- > > Another beginner question. When learning a new piece, (snip)      
(back) Subject: Re: Learning Pieces From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 22:55:53 EST     --part1_b9.c5207a4.27e58bc9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   You will get advice on both sides of the fence, but I have never had any = luck beginning a piece on the piano. If I'm going to play it on the organ, I learn it on the organ. I have this experience as well when learning = piano pieces that I'm going to transfer to the organ. Things like Joplin rags =   come to mind. When I've played Debussy arabesques on the organ, I have = to almost relearn then on the organ.   By the same token, when I'm going to play a piece of music on the piano, I =   learn it on the piano. The same goes for anthems. I almost have to = learn each one twice, since I don't play them the same way on the organ as on = the piano.   But, it's really a personal preference of what works best for you.     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_b9.c5207a4.27e58bc9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>You will get advice on = both sides of the fence, but I have never had any luck <BR>beginning a piece on the piano. &nbsp;&nbsp;If I'm going to play it on = the organ, I <BR>learn it on the organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have this experience as = well when learning piano <BR>pieces that I'm going to transfer to the organ. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Things like Joplin rags <BR>come to mind. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;When I've played Debussy arabesques on = the organ, I have to <BR>almost relearn then on the organ. <BR> <BR>By the same token, when I'm going to play a piece of music on the = piano, I <BR>learn it on the piano. &nbsp;&nbsp;The same goes for anthems. &nbsp;I = almost have to learn <BR>each one twice, since I don't play them the same way on the organ as = on the <BR>piano. <BR> <BR>But, it's really a personal preference of what works best for you. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b9.c5207a4.27e58bc9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!! From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:51:49 -0600   At 07:13 PM 3/17/01 -0600, you wrote: >tmbovard@arkansas.net     And I try to curb my exubrance about trolley cars   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: ALL READ -- this is getting ridiculous!! From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:17:54 -0500       "Jon C. Habermaas" wrote: > > At 07:13 PM 3/17/01 -0600, you wrote: > >tmbovard@arkansas.net > > And I try to curb my exubrance about trolley cars > You could go over to Theatreorgans-L tonight. We just concluded a discussion about voice activated stop selection mechanisms. And are presently involved in an intense debate about the Ray Bohr- Three Suns Recordings. We all agreed that *they* were incomparable.   You guys better get some sleep for church tomorrow morning! The theatre folk will be up late...as usual ...It is Saturday night fawgawdsakes! :-)   Stan (Holding a "Tracker" and reading "Theatre Organ" hidden inside)