PipeChat Digest #1922 - Sunday, March 18, 2001
 
Re: Cavaillle-Coll Photographs
  by "Vincent Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be>
Re: Improvisation/literature
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure?  Two chamber enclosure?
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Improvisation/literature
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Expression Pedal Order
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Expression Pedal Order
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Expression Pedal Order
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Expressive Divisions (Here we go...)
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure?
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure?
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Toronto
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re:  -- this is getting ridiculous!!
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Anches Recit, boite fermee
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Expressive Divisions (Here we go...)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Bach Festival At The National Shrine (x post)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Expression Pedal Order
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Anches Recit, boite fermee
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Cavaillle-Coll Photographs From: "Vincent Lef=E8vre" <vlefevere@online.be> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:31:52 +0100   You could try http://pers.wanadoo.fr/eisenberg/ This site gives a lot of info about franch organs Vincent ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Stanway <jstanway@mail.island.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Cavaillle-Coll Photographs     > I'm looking for photographs of Cavaille Coll organs on the internet. In > particular I would like to find a photo of the organ in > basilique-cathedrale de Saint-Denis, France, and some others of his > eairlier instruments. > > Thanks, > Jeff > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation/literature From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:29:41 -0800 (PST)     --- ALamirande@aol.com wrote:   > I was rehearsing pieces for upcoming recitals, and > it occurred to me how much > of the organ literature is completely ignored by > American organists. Nearly > all of the 20th-century German/Austrian repertory, > for instance. Aside from > Reger and Hindemith, how often do you hear such > repertory on American concert > programs? I venture to suggest: not often. I've > been introducing Franz > Schmidt to the country, but nobody seems terribly > interested in following my > lead. Such a pity. Of course, perhaps Schmidt is > too difficult for them!   Actually Arthur, American organist Brian Franck (lives now in Maine) has been regularly featuring the music of Franz Schmidt on his recital programs for years. Brian has an absolutely fantastic technique that can take care of any piece, plays with great drama and has an enourmous affinity and understanding of Schmidt's style.. He has performed Schmidt's music at various American organ festivals and at OHS conventions.   The reasons why some of the 20th century Austro-German repertoire is unplayed by American organists are that the scores are frequently out of print, and the fact that some of these works are simply not good music when you hold them up to the standards of masterworks from this same school and period in other genres. > Another piece on which I was working today was one > of the great masterpieces > of the 19th-century French repertory: Franck's > Grande Piece Symphonique. > That's another one which crops up rather > infrequently on American organ > recitals. Well, it certainly is a challenging work > to play --- and, sadly, > many organists (including some of the big names in > the field) don't seem to > like challenges. Furthermore, without the acoustics > of a French cathedral, > the work loses much of its effect.   I disagree here. I've heard Robert Glasgow play this work in a dry acoustic and it was very moving, very musical. Same with Virgil Fox. With the right musicality, phrasing, touch and timing, it can be enormously effective in any acoustic. Actually, this work does appear somewhat frequently on recital programs. I've heard it quite a few times over recent years. It is a much misunderstood work. Even though it is one of Franck's largest works, some organists feel it is not one of his best. I disagree. I think it is a great work when placed in the hands of a great performer.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:37:10 -0600   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > It's a shame that modern builders don't use the same marketing > strategies as > builders of copies.   If they did it would result in a large increase in prices for pipe organs. Builders of electronic substitutes have to pay their salesman a commission (generally 20% or more, although the trade-in value of the previous instrument, if any, is deducted from this) for selling the instrument, and often a large proportion of the manufacturer's budget goes on advertizing. Add to this that some of these manufacturers actually make large profits -- something unheard of in the pipe organ industry -- and you would be talking quite a substantial increase in price if pipe organ builders were going to operate the same way. To put it another way, a much higher percentage of your money goes on the actual instrument when you buy a pipe organ.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Improvisation/literature From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:45:52 -0500   we all have different taste when it comes to repertoire, and that's a good thing. How would it be if we all played the same pieces? Pretty boring. We play the pieces we like playing. Sure....there are pieces we all share, = but we also have pieces in each of our repertoires that are unique to us. Take me for instance, there are many pieces I play in concert that not too many other organists play......   Toccata.....Marcel Lanquetuit Concerto Gregoriano......Pietro Yon Ronde Francaise.....Leon Boellmann Zephyrs......Marcel Dupre 1st & 2nd Concert Studies......Pietro Yon Christmas.......Gaston Dethier   Other organists may also play these, but they're becoming more and more obsolete. That's what makes us unique. So, maybe it IS a question of = pieces being out of print.....being too difficult.......or just a case of certain organists NOT wanting to play certain pieces. One person's treasure is another one's garbage.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedal Order From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:57:37 +0800   AMEN!!!! B.E.   RMaryman@aol.com wrote: > there is no other sound like full organ boxed up like a > hurricane fighting to get out of the box...then to kick open (via the > all-swells-to-swell) the shades to release the beast. WHAT A RUSH!!! > > Rick M  
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedal Order From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:05:43 EST     --part1_82.8534b9d.27e60ca7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/18/01 8:02:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > RMaryman@aol.com wrote: > > there is no other sound like full organ boxed up like a > > hurricane fighting to get out of the box...then to kick open (via the > > all-swells-to-swell) the shades to release the beast. WHAT A RUSH!!! >   Well, on second thought after my previous posting- unless it is a Phelps-A-Phone or a 60's Holtkamp or a Schlicker where even the strings chiff! Then, it sounds like a buzzing bee hive where all the bees are playing kazoos inside a shoebox.   --part1_82.8534b9d.27e60ca7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/18/01 8:02:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">RMaryman@aol.com = wrote: <BR>&gt; there is no other sound like full organ boxed up like a <BR>&gt; hurricane fighting to get out of the box...then to kick open (via = the <BR>&gt; all-swells-to-swell) the shades to release the beast. WHAT A = RUSH!!! <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Well, on second thought after my previous posting- unless it is a <BR>Phelps-A-Phone or a 60's Holtkamp or a Schlicker where even the = strings <BR>chiff! &nbsp;Then, it sounds like a buzzing bee hive where all the = bees are <BR>playing kazoos inside a shoebox.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_82.8534b9d.27e60ca7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedal Order From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:06:25 -0500   I don't recall very many pieces which call for full organ with the boxes closed, especially when both hands are on the 'great'......in fact.....I don't recall ever seeing a piece written that has indications for an enclosed 'great'.....tutti or no tutti   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Expressive Divisions (Here we go...) From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:03:33 +0800     Pardon?? You ARE joking aren't you? B. E.   Cremona said > With the exception of > Holtkamp, most "exposed" Great divisions are ugly in their window boxes.  
(back) Subject: Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:06:56 +0800   What about flashing lights over the ranks being played?   > Mike Gettelman replies: > > Wow Bruce, it would be very tough to design an organ to meet ALL = your criteria. I envision wind chests that would move > forward on tracks upon console command like soloists in a big band, = video cams that would track your stop selection, and > display a picture of the pipes you are playing on a monitor next to the = music rack, invisible electrostatic swell shade screens that > can activated and adjusted to filter the sound of the pipes from wide = open to nothing, yet never block the aesthetic view of the > pipes, and maybe even a lazy susan design for the pipes on the chests so = that selected stops bring the proper ranks to a > forward position on the chest so that they may speak more clearly. = Perhaps we have here a glimpse into the future of pipe > organ building in the 22nd century?  
(back) Subject: Re: Small organs: One chamber enclosure? Two chamber enclosure? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:09:52 +0800   Kwells in this country are sea sick tablets. Anyone want some? The boat is being rocked quite frequently in here. Bob E.   Bob Scarborough wrote: > > At 12:29 PM 3/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I thought it was Kwell at the time<snip> > > No, that's a lotion they used to use to get rid of creepy-crawly > things. Outlawed now, since it contained Lindane. > > By the way, the bratspeak word is "kewl". > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Toronto From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:28:36 -0500   At 01:43 PM 3/17/2001 -0500, ALamirande@aol.com wrote: >Greetings from cold, snowy, and windy Toronto! (Not to worry: I'm well >bundled up!) Oh, come now...it's warm out! I spent the day in Peterborough (1-1/2 hours northeast) running errands in shirtsleeves. ;)   >Then some shopping, and most likely a visit to the Sky Tower --- said to = be >the tallest "structure" in the world (over 500 meters high). It is = really >quite an impressive sight, and dominates the skyline! It's called the CN Tower http://www.cntower.ca . Right next door =   to the SkyDome. You'll either love or hate the elevators...the front of the cabin and the wall of the tower are glass, so you look outside allllllll the way up/down the "stem" of the tower. If that's not enough, you'll do it travelling at 15 miles an hour. Going down is quite memorable. ;-> If you have time (and reservations), I suggest having a meal in the rotating restaurant (just don't put your gloves down under the =   windows). If you're REALLY brave, the lower observation deck has a glass floor you can walk on....while looking 1,122' straight down. :))   >Also got a glimpse of the Parliament Building of Ontario as I walked by. Better known as Queen's Park.   >Probably no time for any concerts this weekend, unless there might be an >organ recital tomorrow somewhere or other. Never know when something's going on at Casa Loma. They've got = an interesting TO there from reports I've heard (I'm never in the city when it's being used). At any rate, it's a beautiful castle to tour...with or without the organ.   >I have yet to try Toronto's subway. I tried that once, just to get it out of the way. Ever since, I've been very happy to pay parking for my vehicles when I'm in the city. = :)   > (They do call it the subway here, just >as in New York; whereas in Montreal it's called the Metro, as in Paris.) Yes...you'll notice most of Canada speaks english. To retaliate, =   Quebec has made english-only (as well as english larger than french) signs =   illegal. Being bilingual does have its advantages, though...I can read both ends of the shampoo bottle while in the shower. ;)   Have fun! Ad ;->    
(back) Subject: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:42:31 -0500   To the List:   I can't remember where I read it (maybe it was Audsley, since he was very big on putting everything, including the pedal division, into swell boxes) but it was mentioned that the upper frequencies were severely dampened when enclosed in swell boxes, even when the shutters were open. The natural egress of high frequencies was absorbed in part by the inner walls of the swell box. One method of curbing this "damping" effect on the high frequencies was to have a swell box that opened on four sides ( top, left, right, and front). Has any research been done to actually objectively MEASURE the effect of swell boxes on upper frequency damping ?   With a small organ I would agree that the pipes should be enclosed in an expression box that opens on four sides. With a large organ I would think that it would sound better if none of the pipes were enclosed. By the way, St. Thomas, 5th Avenue, NYC , Aeolian-Skinner. How much of it is enclosed ?   Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: -- this is getting ridiculous!! From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:44:46 -0500       RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hey Stan: > > Hinners built Tracker Theatre organs. If you got your latest Tracker > you can read it for your self. An eye opener! > I read that with facination. There is still a tracker in a theater somewhere in the US. The name escapes me. It wasn't a Hinners. Of course the first organs in theaters were not theatre organs as we know them, but were church or concert organs. Each theater was a cultural oasis then, with a respectable musical program.   It's sort of what some churches aspire to be today.   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:08:10 EST   In a message dated 3/18/01 7:41:53 AM Central Standard Time, = ascott@epix.net writes:   << With a large organ I would think that it would sound better if none of the pipes were enclosed. >>   Oh for shame! A large organ without a swell division? Rubbish! How = could one play 19th or 20th Century British cathedral music without them?   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:23:42 EST     --part1_3c.8ef47fa.27e61eee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/18/01 9:09:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, = DRAWKNOB@aol.com writes:     > Oh for shame! A large organ without a swell division? Rubbish! How = could > one play 19th or 20th Century British cathedral music without them? >   Or, God forbid, French or American Symphonic pieces?   --part1_3c.8ef47fa.27e61eee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/18/01 9:09:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, DRAWKNOB@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Oh for shame! = &nbsp;&nbsp;A large organ without a swell division? &nbsp;Rubbish! = &nbsp;How could <BR>one play 19th or 20th Century British cathedral music without them? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Or, God forbid, French or American Symphonic pieces?</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.8ef47fa.27e61eee_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:29:47 +0800   There is a large two manual 1923 Moser (Munich) organ in the Parish Church of the Holy Trinity at New Norcia Benedictine Abbey Western Australia. This organ is totally enclosed in swell boxes, great, pedal and all.   The stoplist is interesting: Compass:CC-a (58 notes), pedals 30 notes. Pedal: Echobass 16 Subbass 16 Contrabass 16 Dolcebass 8 Gedecktbass 8 Violon 8 Bombard 16   Manual I: Bourdon 16 Principal 8 Soloflote 8 Unda Maris 8 (46 notes) Dulciana 8 Oktav 4 Mixtur III 2 Solo-trompete 8   Manual II: Rohrflote 16 Viola da Gamba 8 Aeoline 8 Vox Coelestis 8 Konzertflote 8 Gedeckt 8 Fernflote 4 Gemshorn 4 Nassard 2+ Piccolo 2 Terzflote 1 3/5 Septime 1 1/7 None 8/9 Harmonia Aetheria V (draws the mutations en bloc) Cimbal III 1 1/3 English horn 8 Clarinett 8 Vox Humana 8 Klarine 4 All 8 foot stops on Manual II have 70 pipes to allow full use of the super octave couplers. Accessories: tub. pneumatic, Pedal stops duplicated at each end of stoprail. Pedal stops for Man. I and Man. II accompaniment are independent, i.e. pedal stops at one end play with Man. I and those at the other end play with Man. II . 50 comb. pistons in the form of miniature draw stops under the rocking tablets. 6 couplers. Trem. to man I     In spite of the mutations the organ is not classically voiced. The sound is great in a very long, narrow church - tunnel like. The church is Spanish in design and consists of three sections - the choir, where the monks sit, the cross over which has the tomb with the founding Bishop's remains, and the nave where the congregation of townsfolk sit. Recent renovation left pipework untouched but electrified the console. Before anyone criticises this I believe the lead pipes were badly damaged, and were so short that the detached console blocked access to the door into the organ intended to allow access for tuning etc. To replace the lead tubing was out of the question for reasons of finance. The original, huge bellows had been removed but have been rebuilt and replaced. This organ is a treasure. Bob Elms. A   > > With a small organ I would agree that the pipes should be enclosed in = an expression box that opens on four sides. With a large organ I would > think that it would sound better if none of the pipes were enclosed >  
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:34:43 +0800   Sorry! New Norcia organ has a trem on Manual II also.   Bob Elms wrote: > > There is a large two manual 1923 Moser (Munich) organ in the Parish > Church of the Holy Trinity at New Norcia Benedictine Abbey Western > Australia. This organ is totally enclosed in swell boxes, great, pedal > and all. > >  
(back) Subject: Anches Recit, boite fermee From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:53:36 -0800   Oh dear! Then you haven't played much Franck, Guilmant, Widor, Vierne, Pierne, Tournemire, Langlais, Messiaen, Dupre, Grunenwald, Guillou, etc. etc. etc., at least not with the registrations the composers call for.   The PRIMARY thing that a Cavaille-Coll Recit CAN do IS be heard opening = and closing WITH the tutti drawn, the manuals coupled, and both hands on the Grand Orgue, thus allowing shadings of F and FF combinations, EVEN THOUGH = it is NORMALLY the ONLY enclosed division ... and the above composers OFTEN call for it to do so.   It can also make P and PP effects with the box closed AND the full Recit drawn ... a sound that isn't available on most American organs ... but one that is called for again and again in French music.   Sacre Coeur in Paris is an exception (the Positif is enclosed), but that organ was originally built for the castle of a nobleman, and moved to the church later.   No, there are no enclosed Cavaille-Coll Grand Orgues to my knowledge, but the big Casavant at the University of Redlands, Redlands, California, USA (now being restored and later changes reversed) has both the Great AND the Pedal enclosed. I'm told the effect of the Great and Pedal reeds with the box closed is quite stunning.   As to composers CALLING for an enclosed Grand Orgue, well, they call for crescendo and decrescendo, don't they (grin)? It would seem to me that one would simply extend the French "terraced" registrational practice if the Positif and/or Grand Orgue were enclosed ... open the Recit box first, = then the Positif, and finally the Grand Orgue and Pedal ... that's what French romantic terraced registration is attempting to do in the first place ... make a crescendo by going from the Recit to the Positif to the G.O. ... boxes would just make it more smooth.   Off to Mass ...   Cheers,   Bud           Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > I don't recall very many pieces which call for full organ with the boxes > closed, especially when both hands are on the 'great'......in fact.....I > don't recall ever seeing a piece written that has indications for an > enclosed 'great'.....tutti or no tutti > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Expressive Divisions (Here we go...) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:56:04 -0800   Nope. Have to agree. Exposed Great organs WITHOUT a reflective housing (Holtkamp, Schlicker, etc.) USUALLY don't blend, as they have the mixtures = in the FRONT, rather than in the back, which is where they would normally be = in an encased organ.   There are MANY Holtkamps around and about that have had plexiglass = "mixture shields" added in front of the Great to take the curse off the mixtures.   Cheers,   Bud   Bob Elms wrote:   > Pardon?? You ARE joking aren't you? > B. E. > > Cremona said > > With the exception of > > Holtkamp, most "exposed" Great divisions are ugly in their window = boxes. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Festival At The National Shrine (x post) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:16:36 -0500       On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:14:41 -0000 "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> writes: > > > Oh ALL RIGHT!! > > muttermuttermuter....... Bach never HAD an enclosed division...... > muttermuttermutter..... > bet he could take a joke though ....muttermuttermutter......... > > ;-) > > CB > > But I bet he would have loved to have had them !!!!!       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Expression Pedal Order From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:35:43 -0500       On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:06:25 -0500 "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> writes: > I don't recall very many pieces which call for full organ with the > boxes > closed, especially when both hands are on the 'great'......in > fact.....I > don't recall ever seeing a piece written that has indications for an > enclosed 'great'.....tutti or no tutti > > Carlo   "Springs In The Desert" by Arthur Jennings       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Anches Recit, boite fermee From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:58:48 -0500   Bud.........I have played all that music. I think I worded my post incorrectly. Of course there are indications for 'tutti' with the boxes closed, but not the great box.......because the great is never enclosed. I don't think we'll ever see 'tutti' with the great dynamic being 'pp'. On = my Rodgers, I can have 'tutti', and have the volume all the way down, but on pipe organs, usually the full great is loud, since it's not usually enclosed.........   Carlo