PipeChat Digest #1925 - Monday, March 19, 2001
RE: Practice Organ Options (stoplist)
  by "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk>
Duplicate Messages
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
swell shades and making music
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Websites
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
swell shades and making music
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: swell shades and making music
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: Websites
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Re: you-know-what/you-know-where
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Re: Practice Organ Options (stoplist)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Cross-posted:  Hymns by Bach?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Bach hymn - I forgot . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #1915 - 03/17/01
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
apologies to moderator
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
(X-post)  West Point, NY: Bach's 316th Birthday Concert 12 noon March 21
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Swell Boxes and Expression:
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Tracker Theatre Organs
  by "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com>
sunday music
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>

(back) Subject: RE: Practice Organ Options (stoplist) From: "Andrew Caskie" <caskie@totalise.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:44:42 -0000   Hi Bruce - sorry for the delay - been away for a brilliant (but = exhausting) weekend away with the church youth fellowship.   Here's the stoplist of the St. Stephen's Centre (formerly St. Stephen's Parish Church) in Edinburgh.   Great   Clarion 4 Bombard 8 Mixture 17:19:22 III Fifteenth 2 Flute Harmonique 4 Principal 4 Claribel Flute 8 Open Diapason 8 Open Diapason 8 (yes, x2) Double Diapason 16 (absolutely gorgeous)   Sw to Gt Ch to Gt Sw Sup Oct to Gt Sw Sub Oct to Gt   Choir   Corno di Bassetto 8 Piccolo 2 Gemshorn 4 Flute Harmonique 4 Lieblich Flote 4 Claribel Flute 8 Lieblich Gedact 8 Dulciana 8 Viola da Gamba 8   Swell   Vox Humana 8 Hautboy 8 Cornopean 8 Flageolet 2 Gemshorn 4 Lieblich Gedact 8 Vox Angelica 8 Salcional 8 Open Diapason 8 Lieblich Bourdon 16   Pedal   Violoncello 8 Bourdon 16 Open Diapason 16   Sw to Ped Gt to Ped Ch to Ped   All spellings are correct! The small pedal organ is surprisingly = effective, and not nearly so limiting as you might first think.   Swell Tremulant operated by ratchet footpedal 3 comb. pedals for Swell 3 comb. pedals for Great & Pedal Gt to Pedal adjustable foot device (reverser lever for coupler)       At this juncture, can I recommend to you all a recently-released double CD = - "Twelve Organs of Edinburgh" by Priory (PRCD 700 AB), which has 2 tracks from this organ.   Regards   Andrew    
(back) Subject: Duplicate Messages From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:11:30 -0800 (PST)   Are any of you receiving double and triple emails? They just seem to come from certain folks and not everybody.         __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: swell shades and making music From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:23:02 EST   ubject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:17:40 EST   All this business about an expressive Great (and other enclosed divisions) = is giving me something --- a headache? insomnia? other unmentionable = ailments! Would y'all please let it go!!! Wherever, whatever the instrument you're =   playing, can't you make it do all the things it's designed to do - = including use of swell shutters? Can't you make it the best instrument you've ever played while you're making music on it? Can't you rise above the problems =   and things you don't like about the instrument and then set your heart on making good music? Can't you be less rigid? The most gifted organists = are those who can be creative and use an organ and make it sound wonderful -- even when it isn't -- because they find the best in it and play it accordingly - even using all the swell boxes when they're available.>>   I think that Bob has hit it on the head here....I too am from the Romantic/Orchestral school of playing and I think that all divisions = should be expressive, maybe having a princiapl chorus on the Great unexpressive. =   Those who are the most musical can make a 1930's 3 rank unified mess sound =   decent. The whole thing comes down to creativity. If you use your ears = and come up with what sounds good, use it. Who out in the congregation is = going to know that you're not following the editor's registration suggestions. = I doubt if anyone in the congregation is going to complain that the IV Fourniture isn't playing at full tilt because the shades are blocking some = of the upper partials. I've played concerts on fully unenclosed organs, I've =   played concerts on fully enclosed organs, and I've played on organs with = some divisions exposed and some enclosed. My goal is to make music......I don't =   care how I get it. Isn't our job as a MUSICIAN to make MUSIC.....anyone can push keys on an organ, but very few can make music. The best organists are those who can make do an whatever is put before them.....those who can't play their way = out of a paper bag complain about all the insufficiencies of the instrument. Sure, I've played some organs that were absolute pieces of trash, but if that's all I've got, so be it....I'm going to make music on it, even if I = can only use one rank, or if all the stops have to be on at all times, so I'm guaranteed that something will sound when I press a key. Let's move on and get past our differences.....let's all agree to = disagree, but as for me, I think all divisions need to be enclosed, and the 32' = Bourdon needs to come on automatically with the blower!   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Websites From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:43:31 -0600   Cindy Adams wrote: > > Do any of you have websites I can visit to listen > organ > selections?   http://members.mp3.com/hendricksonorgan/   The Hendrickson Organ Company's online vault. There are some of just organ, and choral/organ. Enjoy!   Paul Soulek Webmaster  
(back) Subject: swell shades and making music From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:49:01 -0500   Monty Bennett wrote:   I think all divisions need to be enclosed, and the 32' Bourdon needs to come on automatically with the blower!   Mike Gettelman replies:   Oh no Monty, don't do that. My teachers taught me the blower motor can't start without the restriction. Start Blower for 10 seconds, and then 32' bourdon. Very kewel.      
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:39:12 -0500   To the List:   Sorry if I give anyone a headache with my questions and comments. Take two aspirins before you read another.   I was actually wondering if the loss of harmonics was taken into account when the pipes are voiced in the shop before they end up in the final destination organ location. I doubt not. But anyway, to me, the same pipes sound better out in the open than in a box. Should Chamade Trumpets also be put in a box to increase their expressiveness ?   Thank you Bob Scarborough for clearing up some questions I had.   Antoni  
(back) Subject: Re: swell shades and making music From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:40:23 EST   Monty-- Here Here !!!! Definitely right on the mark as far as I am concerned My first organ teacher opined---- its the easiest instrument to play, but = the hardest to play right---I think he had a point. Had I *worried* myself = sick over the pecularities of my practice instrument, a 1913 Austin 3/50ish,,,completely enclosed I might add, except for the Pedal 16' open, = I would have never played a note. Just do it seems to apply here. Kind regards, ---Roc L V Rockafellow  
(back) Subject: Re: Websites From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:00:43 +0800 (CST)       On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Paul Soulek wrote:   > Cindy Adams wrote: > > > > Do any of you have websites I can visit to listen > > organ > > selections? > > http://members.mp3.com/hendricksonorgan/ > > The Hendrickson Organ Company's online vault. There are some of just > organ, and choral/organ. Enjoy! > > Paul Soulek > Webmaster >   Note to Cindy and others:   You might want to consider downloading the Dupre Prelude and Fugue in G Minor... The web site, I don't think tells you it is by Dupre but it is..   Since at my present venueI cannot listen to a streaming form of the piece, = I have to download it... and it was well worth it...     Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher fellow pipechat list member...        
(back) Subject: Re: you-know-what/you-know-where From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:00:05 -0500   Hi, Y'all!   At 07:17 AM 3/15/01 EST, Arthur wrote: >Note to that gentleman down by the sea in Florida:   Thank you for calling me a gentleman. I think I am a gentleman. . . I certainly try to be . . . I still open and hold doors for others (no = matter what age or sex, actually) . . . and I, for sure, don't wear my bathing suit (yes, it IS purple) to the grocery store like some snowbirds are want to do when they come to Florida!   > >I don't know exactly when the McGill Conference is being held: never attended   It is July 16-26. Their website is www.music.mcgill.ca. It's a good = faculty and the way the course is designed, I can "study" three courses each day. I've elected North German with Jim Christie, French Symphonic with Olivier Latry (big surprise, huh?), and French Class with John Grew. I would liked to have studied German Romantic, but it conflicts with another "have-to" class.   > But you might like to know that the summer organ concert >series at l'Oratoire St. Joseph takes place every Wednesday in July at August >at 8 p.m.   I hope I'll be able to hear the organ and the resident organists. After = all I'll be there for 10 days, so surely, I'll be able to find it. I've been asked to make a couple guest appearances and sign autographs while I'm there, but hopefully, those little tasks won't interfere with my Beckerath experiences.     >Judging by the review in La Presse, mine turned out to be the highlight = of > Last year,   I need to buy the recording. Is it available commercially?   > > Anyone who would like to be put on their >mailing list >can do so by writing to: > >Les Concerts Spirituels >3800 Chemin Queen Mary >Montreal, QC H3V 1H6 > I'll send them a postcard tomorrow so I can find out their info for the summer concerts. Thanks for the tip. > So better start brushing up >now on your high school French.   I took Latin in h.s., but have been studying French the past 3 years down here in South Florida, where my Haitian friends are confused by my accent (and I theirs).   > >Also: you'll need Canadian currency --- but you can readily obtain same = at >any ATM, using your Cirrus/Plus bank card.   That's one great thing . . . the translation from Canadian to American dollars is fun . . . I think American bucks and end up with change! Not very scientific, but still fun.   > >I could tell you about the great hotel deal I get every time I go to > But sorry: I'm keeping it a secret!   I'm staying around campus . . . it's easier for me since I'm directionally challenged. (And that's the truth.)   And thanks a lot for the organ-travelogues from Toronto. I've never been there so it's fun to read of your travels.   I am,   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea      
(back) Subject: Re: Practice Organ Options (stoplist) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:03:02 EST     --part1_32.121ff72d.27e6c2d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/18/01 9:52:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = caskie@totalise.co.uk writes:     > Here's the stoplist of the St. Stephen's Centre (formerly St. Stephen's > Parish Church) in Edinburgh. > >   Wow! What an exquisite instrument this must be. Thanks much. Are there any photos (or do I already have them=3D=3Dsenior moment!)   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_32.121ff72d.27e6c2d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/18/01 9:52:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!, caskie@totalise.co.uk <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Here's the = stoplist of the St. Stephen's Centre (formerly St. Stephen's <BR>Parish Church) in Edinburgh. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Wow! &nbsp;What an exquisite instrument this must be. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks much. <BR>Are there any photos (or do I already have them=3D=3Dsenior moment!) <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_32.121ff72d.27e6c2d6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Cross-posted: Hymns by Bach? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:24:52 -0600   Hi there. Am finishing up the program for our Bach birthday bash on = Sunday afternoon. I know that Bach harmonized a great number of hymns of his = day, and used the melodies for his compositions. However, did Bach actually write a hymn (text or tune) to anyone's knowledge?   Am thinking of finishing out the program with "A mighty fortress" - Martin Luther wrote text and tune, but Bach, staunch Lutheran that he was, harmonized it. I was just thinking out loud whether there might be a = better choice.   Thank thee,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Bach hymn - I forgot . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:43:20 -0600   to make myself clear. Let me add that I am asking for the purpose of finishing with a CONGREGATIONAL hymn. We already have a program full of Bach ready to go.   Thanks,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #1915 - 03/17/01 From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 02:37:33 -0000   From: <StatRussell@aol.com>   > Dear Chris Baker, And to think, I was just about to send you an Oakland Raiders jersey. Don't forget, "Real men wear Black" Also, weren't you the guy who used to play baseball with my kid brother back in Detroit? > > Tongue stuck permanently to cheek > Dennis Russell   I don't have ANY idea what this is about...........<g>   Baseball............ is that the game that's played in girl's junior schools over here, and is called 'rounders'?   I may have met your kid brother - did he ever play rugby for Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Old Boys? I do remember a kid with a strange accent, running around the touchline, screaming that he wasn't going anywhere near that bunch of thugs without some serious padding on. And,,,, as for the scrums, that he now thought he knew why everyone around him was shouting "UP THE QUEENS" Dirty minded little bu------.   Chris    
(back) Subject: apologies to moderator From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:59:32 EST   Dear Mr. Moderator: I have to apologize, that all those previous postings got appended to my = last posting. I really don't know how to prevent this ---- I'm using the digest form. Could you please tell me how? This time, I'm writing a note, without going through the pipechat website.   Well, today, I went up into the CN Tower in Toronto. Piece of cake, as = they say. The elevator goes up so fast, one doesn't have time to get scared.   Had two king-sized American-style martinis in the cocktail lounge at the = top --- while enjoying the spectacular view. (Alas, the best they had, vodka-wise, was Stolichnaya.) Didn't go to the glass floor --- which actually occupies only a small area.   This was at a height of 337 meters. One can, for an extra charge, go up = even higher, to more than 400 meters. The total height of the tower is 553 meters, making it the tallest building in the world. (They're calling it = a "building" now --- rather than a "structure". Evidently miffed by the = claim of Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) to have the tallest buildings in the world (Petronas Towers). Or another claim by Shanghai, for its new tower. = (I'll see that one for myself, come May, when I'll be in China.)   Had another excellent dinner at Champion chinese restaurant. Now must = pack for the long (12-hour) train trip to New York.   It's been an exhilirating weekend, and I definitely won't wait another 32 years before coming back to Toronto!   Arthur LaMirande  
(back) Subject: (X-post) West Point, NY: Bach's 316th Birthday Concert 12 noon March 21 From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:03:21 -0500   Greetings to all Pipechatters!   As I titled my most recent posting to USMA's Community Activities Bulletin Board, [Subject:] It's almost here! BACH's 316th Birthday, March 21   WHAT: Concert and reception for Johann Sebastian Bach (b. March 21, 1685; d. July 28, 1750)   WHEN: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at HIGH NOON   WHERE: Cadet Chapel, West Point, New York   WHO: Everyone is welcome!   PERFORMERS: Artists from West Point include   Miss Meredith Baker, organ, Most Holy Trinity Chapel MSG Lynn Cunningham, flute, USMA Band SGM Joel Evans, oboe/English horn, USMA Band Ms. Patricia R. Maimone, organ, continuo organ, producer, Post Chapel SFC Alan Reese, tenor, organ, USMA Band, Dean, Central Hudson Valley Chapter, AGO Mrs. Lois Reese, soprano, Sacred Heart School, Highland Falls Mr. Craig Williams, organ, continuo organ, Cadet Chapel   Artists from off post Violinist Ms. Emily Faxon of Cornwall-on-Hudson Soprano Ms. Michele Eaton of New York City   WHAT Bach music will be played and sung? Organ Chorale preludes "O Mensch, Bewein" (Orgelbuechlein) "O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig" (Great 18)   "Toccata in D Minor" "Toccata in F Major"   Organ continuo for excerpts from cantatas, choral-orchestral works, and instrumental solos (not necessarily in this order... yours truly is still working on program order and timing.. For several years the concert has lasted one hour or less.. I am trying to perpetuate that tradition.)   1. Tenor aria "Deposuit" from "Magnificat" with violin obbligato   2. Soprano aria "Erfuellet" from Cantata 1 with English horn   3. Overture from Cantata 209 with flute   4. Soprano aria "Schlummert ein" from the Anna Magdalena Bach Notebuch (transposed to or from Cantata 82 for bass)   5. Soprano recitative and aria from the Wedding Cantata 202 with oboe 6. Violin Sonata in E Major (two movements) Harmonization of chorale (N. B. Glenda) Hymn #296 (Book of Worship for Armed Forces, 1974) Passion Chorale "O Sacred Head, Now Wounded" to be sung by members of the audience   HOW MUCH? Free admission   WILL there be birthday cake? Yes, indeed, in the 1924 Room of the Cadet Chapel basement following the concert.   For directions to the Cadet Chapel: please call 845-938-2308   For info on the program: Please e-mail <yp6867@usma.edu> or patmai@juno.com   or call Pat Maimone 845-938-2959   Hope to see some Pipechatters in attendance! If you cannot be at West Point on that day, please look for a Bach concert in your part of the world. Let us keep his memory alive!   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point, NY October 1975-present <patmai@juno.com> ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Swell Boxes and Expression: From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:05:29 EST   Headache's gone. No problem putting chamade in swell box. Ours is angled =   toward congregation at same angle as open shades and it's perfect when it =   tops off the choir singers (box closed). . A marvellous foil to the Tuba =   Mirabilis (en chamade) on the back wall. By the way - the third chamade (which was original) was so loud I was = afraid to use it. Too many complaints. So we put it behind the Tuba Mirabilis = (in the wall with relatively small opening) and it's perfect there. Very = French compared to the British type Tuba.  
(back) Subject: Tracker Theatre Organs From: "Sand Lawn" <sandlawn@bayou.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:59:07 -0600   The Mabel Tainter Theatre in Wisconsin.. (I cannot think of the exact town) ... Menomie, possibly... has a Steere & Turner tracker organ... if it were not so late I would actually go look it up ... built in 1890...   Sand Lawn   Stanley Lowkis wrote:   > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > > . There is still a tracker in a theater > somewhere in the US. The name escapes me. It wasn't a Hinners.    
(back) Subject: sunday music From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:30:24 -0800 (PST)   Well the new Oboe is in - There were several used stops to choose, and = after hearing the very bright, almost Clarion like tone of the Stinkens set I originally purchased, and a typical Moller Oboe, I chose one that is very narrow in scale (fitting on the toeboard of our former Rohr Nasard because = it needed headroom and new chests double decked) and has a very orchestral = sound - It was made by Durst in 1969 and was probably called Fagott or Schalmey, = but since there is only room for one color reed, I am quite pleased as it = really has a "double reed" attack and sound.   So I pulled out Schiedt and a lot of other early music and played 3 = composed preludes as well as big Schiedt postlude - not normal for me as I usually improvise.   The Old Testament reading was all about Moses going up in the mountain and = God telling him that he would free Israel from the Egyptians and send them to = a land flowing with milk and honey....I thought of the Great Vigil coming up = and the story of the Flood and Rainbow, so during communion I did it - I did a subtle rendition of "Over the Rainbow." I've always wanted to do that = since hearing Dorothy Papadakos' recording at St. John's in NYC. Well lo and = behold, people loved it and the connection to the readings didn't go unnoticed.   I'm sill alive - lightening didn't strike!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/