PipeChat Digest #1927 - Monday, March 19, 2001
 
Re: enclosed chamades
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: useful BIG reeds
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Tracker Theatre Organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Technic to Learn ....Twiddling my Thumbs!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Bach hymn -
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Russian Organ music
  by "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
my biggest fan / severest critic (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Neo-baroque tracker for sale in Seattle
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Bach hymn -
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: enclosed chamades
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: enclosed chamades
  by "Thomas H. Cotner" <cotnerpo@brightok.net>
Re: useful BIG reeds
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Technic to Learn ....Twiddling my Thumbs!
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Tracker for sale in Seattle
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: enclosed chamades
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: enclosed chamades From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:32:35 EST     --part1_34.126dba87.27e79cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/19/01 12:50:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RMB10@aol.com = writes:     > The Ruffatti at 1st Pres., Berkley, CA, > has a chamade enclosed in the choir chamber. It's no different that = having > any other big solo reed enclosed, say, like a Tuba, or Harmonic Trumpet. = > I don't think so. One of the beauties of horizontal reeds is the = "pointed" attack sound provided by the direct sound line between the resonator and = the ear. It doesn't matter of the reeds are loud or soft. I have heard = some wonderful horizontal reeds such as Trompetregal, Krummhorn, Dulzian, and = even a rather mild Trompete. They are very, very exciting. This would be = lost if they were boxed up.     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_34.126dba87.27e79cb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/19/01 12:50:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, RMB10@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Ruffatti at = 1st Pres., Berkley, CA, <BR>has a chamade enclosed in the choir chamber. &nbsp;It's no different = that having <BR>any other big solo reed enclosed, say, like a Tuba, or Harmonic = Trumpet. &nbsp; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>I don't think so. &nbsp;&nbsp;One of the beauties of horizontal reeds = is the "pointed" <BR>attack sound provided by the direct sound line between the resonator = and the <BR>ear. &nbsp;&nbsp;It doesn't matter of the reeds are loud or soft. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have heard some <BR>wonderful horizontal reeds such as Trompetregal, Krummhorn, Dulzian, = and even <BR>a rather mild Trompete. &nbsp;They are very, very exciting. = &nbsp;&nbsp;This would be lost <BR>if they were boxed up. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_34.126dba87.27e79cb3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: useful BIG reeds From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:34:21 -0800 (PST)     --- Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> wrote: > the Spanish have VERY little to contribute in the field of organ = building and > repertoire over the ages, <snip> Biggs' infatuation with Solar and = Spanish > organs showed up in his 1956 Columbia release. The music is typically = crude, > as are the organs!   Oh, come on, I think the Biggs recordings were wonderful! Maybe not the "enlightened" performance practice of today, but still! Everyone I know = that has taken choirs to Italy - Rome included, has commented on the terrible = shape the organs - even recent large ones - were in. Maybe they are not = important in those cultures.   I think that the *best* Spanish and Italian organ music has a certain = charm, perhaps not depth, but then again, I've never had people drooling over a = flashy Bach piece, but you play a version of "Jesus Loves Me" or "Over the = Rainbow" and they are waiting at the choir loft door foaming at the mouth!   Back on topic, though, someone mentioned the spanish reeds in big = buildings and I do think that is the key. Not saying I'd want to do a service on a = historic copy of Spanish organ! But yes, chamades are more now about prestiege than music. There is a Visser Rowland in a small church here - it is a = wonderful instrument, but the manual reeds are a Rohr Schalmei in the swell and a = Chamade (big spanish style) in the great. IN an Episcopal church. The 8' Pedal = Trumpet was left Prepared as was a second reed in the swell and a swell mixture. = The chamade is very fun for organists, but can't use it in church except at weddings. The current organist is having a second bright, French 8' = Hautbois installed in the Swell by Visser rather than the originally planned for = Dulzian 16', along with the Pedal Trumpet 8, swell mixture (hope is doesn't = shriek!) and additionally a big copper 16' Pedal Principal. To me he makes sense, = and they never should have messed with that horizontal "Trompete"   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Tracker Theatre Organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:36:43 EST     --part1_44.c3b5f83.27e79dab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/19/01 3:45:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, opus1100@catoe.org =   writes:     > I can't picture a "Tracker Unit Orchestra" > > >   Geez! THere's more than one way to build a theatre organ!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_44.c3b5f83.27e79dab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/19/01 3:45:22 PM !!!First Boot!!!, opus1100@catoe.org <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I can't picture a = "Tracker Unit Orchestra" <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Geez! &nbsp;&nbsp;THere's more than one way to build a theatre organ! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_44.c3b5f83.27e79dab_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Technic to Learn ....Twiddling my Thumbs! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:44:38 EST     --part1_17.1327a886.27e79f86_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/19/01 5:11:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = piperheaven@yahoo.com writes:     > Someone suggested Hanon, others Bach Fugues...what > else???? > >   Relax.... play some Debussy! Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_17.1327a886.27e79f86_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/19/01 5:11:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, piperheaven@yahoo.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Someone suggested = Hanon, others Bach Fugues...what <BR>else???? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Relax.... &nbsp;play some Debussy! <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17.1327a886.27e79f86_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach hymn - From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:21:04 -0500   Dr. Moyer:   Very interesting. Thought-provoking. And--for me--instructive.   Thank you.   Alan   > From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> > Subject: Re: Bach hymn - > > So it's risky business to associate Bach with congregational hymn > singing.    
(back) Subject: Re: Russian Organ music From: "Robert Lind" <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:33:15 -0600   I'm getting into this too late, I should imagine, but did anyone mention = the Soviet Organ Music volume published by Peters? That has a Passacaglia by Shostakovich and Mushel's Toccata (slightly different in places from the = OUP printing, and I prefer the changes in the OUP volume) among other things. The Mushel Toccata is a must-learn work. Terrific piece in a class by itself.   Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition has been transcribed for organ at least twice. I have a worthwhile Prelude and Fugue in D by Glazunov, and = he wrote two other works for organ that I know of. Gliere wrote a Fugue on a Russian Christmas Song. I'm at the office and all my music is at home, so = I can't supply particulars.   Back in the early 1980s I frequently visited a record shop that = specialized in classical LPs. They would often receive a new shipment of Melodiya records and I decided I'd better memorize the cyrillic alphabet post = haste. It really paid off--knowing who the composers were and what works were performed was a real help, although it was kind of fun before I knew the alphabet to take a chance and find out at home what treasures might be on = an LP.   One thing about Mushel has me puzzled. I thought I read some years ago = that Randall Egan was going to publish a number of Mushel organ works. I've = seen nothing since. Anyone have any info on this?   Thanks,   Bob Lind  
(back) Subject: Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:33:38 EST     --part1_be.118652c6.27e7ab02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Where WAS the "Old" St. Patrick's Cathedral and is the building still in exitnence?   --part1_be.118652c6.27e7ab02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0">Where WAS the "Old" = St. Patrick's Cathedral and is the building still in <BR>exitnence?</FONT></HTML>   --part1_be.118652c6.27e7ab02_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:00:01 -0500   Off the top of my head, I recall it being on Mott Street in the Chinatown section of Manhattan, around the corner from St. Teresa's on Mulberry Street where I played in the late 60's which started out as a Scotch Presbyterian church, became a Jewish Temple and then a Roman Catholic Church. The organ at St. Teresa's was a three manual Jardine, as I recall, unrestored at that time, with a detached console. -- noel jones, aago ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Moderator, Rodgers Organ Users Group  
(back) Subject: my biggest fan / severest critic (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:23:16 -0800   One of my basses is raising his grandson; his wife's health doesn't allow her to sing any longer, but she loves the choir so much she comes to rehearsal and sits and crochets and listens. Our nursery is well-stocked with toys and video games, so they often brings their grandson, Nicholas (pre-school age), with them to choir practice.   He LOVES the Kyrie of Gregorian Mass IX, (if you please!) and sings along quite lustily (IN tune) on Sundays with the choir and what few of the congregation attempt it. He was QUITE disappointed (and SAID so) when we switched to Merbecke for Lent (grin), so much so that he asked the choir to sing it for him at REHEARSAL (grin).   Last Sunday, I played the Bach "Little" g minor p & f for the postlude .... Nicholas was heard to remark as he walked by the choir door, "THAT'S MONSTER MUSIC!"   Everybody's a critic (grin) ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: unenclosed chamades Jardine 1880 Old St. Pat's NYC From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:49:45 -0800   At 02:00 PM 3/19/2001 -0500, you wrote: >around the corner from St. Teresa's on Mulberry Street<snip>   ....down da street aways from da social club!   "Sammy da Bull"    
(back) Subject: Neo-baroque tracker for sale in Seattle From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:42:27 EST   At the request of a Seattle area church, I am posting the following:   A 1969 Bosch organ, 15 stops, 21 ranks, mechanical key action, electric = stop action is available for $35,000. USD. The console is detatched and at an angle of approximately 45 degrees. It has to be removed soon after this Easter for a major remodeling project. The organ may be played, and in my opinion seems to be in good condition. Please respond by private e-mail to = me. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach hymn - From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:52:39 EST     --part1_7e.126812d1.27e7d9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/19/01 5:33:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes:     > Indeed, > I'm likely to have upset even a few readers of Pipechat!! > >   OK! I volunteer to admit I'm upset. I can't stand the rhythmic = chorales. To me they are more dancelike and are not worshipful. It's like riding a three-legged horse.   Give me nice, square, SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, Anglican hymns!!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_7e.126812d1.27e7d9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/19/01 5:33:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Indeed, <BR>I'm likely to have upset even a few readers of Pipechat!! <BR> <BR> = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>OK! &nbsp;I volunteer to admit I'm upset. &nbsp;&nbsp;I can't stand = the rhythmic chorales. &nbsp; <BR>To me they are more dancelike and are not worshipful. &nbsp;It's like = riding a <BR>three-legged horse. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Give me nice, square, SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, Anglican hymns!! <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7e.126812d1.27e7d9a7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: enclosed chamades From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:54:56 EST   Tom Cottner writes:   >So does the Ruffatti at Baylor, University, Waco, Texas. Most = convenient!<<     Waco has a pair of closeted chamades. Tom is correct about the = Higgingbotham Rufatti at Baylor. First UMC, Waco also has an enclosed chamade trumpet = on their Schantz 3-m. Apart from the loss of visual effect, having the stop under some expression actually makes it more usable in a variety of conditions. Schantz placed it high in the chamber and it is mere inches = from the shades when fully opened. Very little (if any) tonal detriment is = noted.   Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: enclosed chamades From: "Thomas H. Cotner" <cotnerpo@brightok.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:56:02 -0600   Well, I'd hardly call one rank a "pair". There are 61 pipes up there in = Waco -- hung underneath the choir box ceiling. Louder'n all getout inside the = box, but decent in the room, and, since it is a rather intimate room, any other = position (out of the box) would be unuseable.   Tom Cotner   Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote:   > Tom Cottner writes: > > >So does the Ruffatti at Baylor, University, Waco, Texas. Most = convenient!<< > > Waco has a pair of closeted chamades. Tom is correct about the = Higgingbotham > Rufatti at Baylor.    
(back) Subject: Re: useful BIG reeds From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:07:09 EST     --part1_30.120579d5.27e7dd0d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/19/01 5:44:51 PM !!!First Boot!!!, randyterryus@yahoo.com writes:     > There is a Visser Rowland in a small church here - it is a wonderful > instrument, but the manual reeds are a Rohr Schalmei in the swell and a > Chamade > (big spanish style) in the great. IN an Episcopal church.   To me the sad part of this is the size of the Great reed. A small scale trompete can be even more useful when it is horizontal. It can work with = the chorus without overpowering and it can also serve as the "fanfare thingy" = at weddings. The problem could have been easily remedied by either = softening or replacing the Trompete.   > was left Prepared as was a second reed in the swell and > a swell mixture.   But is there a celeste in the Swell??? You didn't say how large the = organ is, but I personally would find another reed more useful than a mixture. = Or an 8' Principal, even if it is short compass!   <> > weddings. > > I must beg to disagree with this. If an organist is creative and uses restraint, a chamade can be extremely useful within the context of Sunday worship on a weekly basis, just as a zimblestern can be. You just need = to be sensitive to the text and to the congregation.   > installed > in the Swell by Visser rather than the originally planned for Dulzian = 16', > along with the Pedal Trumpet 8, swell mixture ...   I think it is a mistake to install an out-of-character reed in an = instrument. If everything else is Germanic (or Dutch), then why clutter it up with a =   French reed which will remain out of character with the rest of the organ. = A 16 Dulzian would be extremely useful, and give added dimension to the = reed chorus. The Flentrop at St. Anne's - Atlanta, had a 16 Dulzian as its = only swell reed, and it was amazingly versatile. It's simply a matter of = pulling one's head out and daring to do something that hasn't "always" been done = (by them). I would be interested in seeing the complete spec of this instrument (Pieter!! are you listening??).   It's possible that the style of the horizontal trumpet was the organist's idea. Having played on several of Pieter Visser's organs, the main flaws = I find are places where he has compromised to please an organist (and I do = hate to bad-mouth my own kind!).   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_30.120579d5.27e7dd0d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/19/01 5:44:51 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>randyterryus@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is a Visser = Rowland in a small church here - it is a wonderful <BR>instrument, but the manual reeds are a Rohr Schalmei in the swell and = a <BR>Chamade <BR>(big spanish style) in the great. IN an Episcopal church. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">To me the sad part of this is the size of the = Great reed. &nbsp;&nbsp;A small scale <BR>trompete can be even more useful when it is horizontal. &nbsp;It can = work with the <BR>chorus without overpowering and it can also serve as the "fanfare = thingy" at <BR>weddings. &nbsp;&nbsp;The problem could have been easily remedied by = either softening <BR>or replacing the Trompete. <BR> <BR>The 8' Pedal Trumpet <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">was left Prepared as was a second reed in the swell and <BR>a swell mixture. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">But is there a celeste in the Swell??? = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You didn't say how large the organ <BR>is, but I personally would find another reed more useful than a = mixture. &nbsp;&nbsp;Or <BR>an 8' Principal, even if it is short compass! <BR> <BR>&lt;The chamade is very fun for organists, but can't use it in church = except at <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>weddings. &gt; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>I must beg to disagree with this. &nbsp;If an organist is creative and = uses <BR>restraint, a chamade can be extremely useful within the context of = Sunday <BR>worship on a weekly basis, just as a zimblestern can be. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You just need to <BR>be sensitive to the text and to the congregation. <BR> <BR>The current organist is having a second bright, French 8' Hautbois = <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">installed <BR>in the Swell by Visser rather than the originally planned for Dulzian = 16', <BR>along with the Pedal Trumpet 8, swell mixture ...</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think it is a mistake to install an = out-of-character reed in an instrument. <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;If everything else is Germanic (or Dutch), then why = clutter it up with a <BR>French reed which will remain out of character with the rest of the = organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>A 16 Dulzian would be extremely useful, and give added dimension to = the reed <BR>chorus. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Flentrop at St. Anne's - Atlanta, had a 16 = Dulzian as its only <BR>swell reed, and it was amazingly versatile. &nbsp;&nbsp;It's simply a = matter of pulling <BR>one's head out and daring to do something that hasn't "always" been = done (by <BR>them). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would be interested in seeing = the complete spec of this <BR>instrument (Pieter!! &nbsp;&nbsp;are you listening??). <BR> <BR>It's possible that the style of the horizontal trumpet was the = organist's <BR>idea. &nbsp;&nbsp;Having played on several of Pieter Visser's organs, = the main flaws I <BR>find are places where he has compromised to please an organist (and I = do hate <BR>to bad-mouth my own kind!). <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_30.120579d5.27e7dd0d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Technic to Learn ....Twiddling my Thumbs! From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:22:06 EST   In a message dated 3/19/01 12:12:39 PM EST, piperheaven@yahoo.com writes:   > What pieces or selections can I practice while > impatiently waiting for my next organ lesson? (on > piano..I don't really have anything to practice on > organ yet) > > Someone suggested Hanon, others Bach Fugues...what > else???? NOt really repertoir, but get a copy of the MArcel Dupre Complete Course = for Improvisation and work on the excercises, esp. the parallel 3rds and 6ths, =   maintaining as perfect a legato as possible.   Rick M  
(back) Subject: Re: Tracker for sale in Seattle From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:37:15 EST   What are the exact dimensions of this instrument? And if they are very = high, can the action be modified to make it fit into a smaller space? Sebastian Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: enclosed chamades From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:44:03 EST   Thomas Cotner writes:   >Well, I'd hardly call one rank a "pair". There are 61 pipes up there in Waco -- >hung underneath the choir box ceiling. Louder'n all getout inside the = box, but >decent in the room, and, since it is a rather intimate room, any other position >(out of the box) would be unuseable.<<     Please re-read my post, Tom. Again I say you are correct about the Baylor =   Rufatti in Roxy Grove Hall. But my reference was to the 73 enclosed = chamades pipes in FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH at Lake Air and Cobbs Drives, some = six miles from campus. Incorporating the two ranks in one organ would be a = bit of a stretch, even as an antiphonal division, don't you think? :)   The Rufatti seems to be rather neglected since the big 4-m went in Jones Concert Hall. The Italian Stallion was used in the Midwinter Organ = Conference and was really in need of tuning. It has been relegated to a student practice organ, or so it seems.   Jim