PipeChat Digest #1935 - Wednesday, March 21, 2001
 
Sunday in San Francisco Re: St. Mary's
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Why Little Interest in Learning Organ?
  by "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net>
Dueling organs at St.Mary's in Sydney, Australia?
  by "Michael" <scapolo@sympatico.ca>
Fwd: ATOS---Reminder !!!!
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: San Francisco
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Allen Organs
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Allen Organs
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Allen Organs
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Shutting Shutters
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: organs and acoustics
  by "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
souviens
  by <ALamirande@aol.com>
shutters vs. facade pipes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Dueling organs
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: California mission organs(Spanish Churches)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: California mission organs(Spanish Churches)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Shutting Shutters
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Sunday in San Francisco Re: St. Mary's From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:34:21 EST     --part1_47.907b550.27ea947d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OK, The Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption (I am playing there again = on June 10 and my assistant on July 8), St. Dominic's, St. Ignatius Loyola = and Grace Cathedral are all wonderful.   But, people, have we ALL forgotten about Trinity Episcopal which not only = has an outstanding choir but also a PRISTINE and untouched E.M. Skinner organ = of four manuals and (guessing) about 70-75 ranks that is absolutely gorgeous = to hear and play. They also, from last report, do very traditional and high church. Trinity is right up Gough about 5 blocks from the new St. Mary's Cathedral, I believe to the west.   If it's Roman Liturgy you want, then definitely go to St. Mary's. My = friend Christopher Tietze is the organist-choirmaster there and does an = outstanding job all around. He does excellent music with the choir, mostly = unaccompanied and the 9:00 mass (check the times to be certain) is a purely Gregorian = Chant mass, yes- congregationally, and quite beautiful indeed.   I would like to mirror what Arthur LaMirande said about the Ruffatti and acoustics in the new St. Mary's. The acoustics, while far from dead, are "odd" in such a way that the room does not react at all like one would = expect in such a vast space. But the sound of the organ or choir dying away is quite beautiful. The organ is a true "period piece" and very typical of instruments built in 1971 or around that time, the exact year escapes my memory at the moment. Christopher has had much tonal revision carried out =   and it is, in fact, warmer and a bit more voluptuous than on the old Cochereau recording from the dedication. A real pedal 16' Principal has = now been installed replacing the original 16' Dulciana rank as well as a 32' Contre Bourdon which is quite nice in the room.   The celestes on that Ruffatti are absolutely gorgeous, and rumor has it = that the console has all necessary switching inside for sub and super couplers = if one really wanted to achieve the "moonbeam" effect. It would be quite effective in there.   For what the Ruffatti is, it ain't bad folks, it really is not (and YES = this is ME saying that.) It's a very silvery and bold sound and can be = registered quite effectively. I have told many people that that organ has some of the most beautiful = flutes I have ever heard anywhere. Their placement is ideal and they get our clearly and very distinctly. Watch out for the Great Scharff though- it = is, without a doubt, almost unusable. The Positif Cymbale is quite nice = though. The chamade, to my ears, sounds like an overblown Wurlitzer brass = saxophone and the 32' Bombarde, well- fasten your seatbelts! It's fun!   (Of course, it would also be fun to remove the Ruffatti off of the "mushroom," have Jack Bethards and Schoenstein build a Grand Orgue up = behind the altar in that enormous empty space abouve the wooden "reredos" and = then put an orgue du choeur back up on "the mushroom.") Now, wouldn't THAT be something??????   SCOTT F. FOPPIANO, Principal Organist and Director of Music and Liturgy The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI (Geo. Kilgen & Son, Opus 5180, 1933) "Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."   --part1_47.907b550.27ea947d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>OK, The Cathedral of = St. Mary of the Assumption (I am playing there again on <BR>June &nbsp;10 and my assistant on July 8), St. Dominic's, St. Ignatius = Loyola and <BR>Grace Cathedral are all wonderful. <BR> <BR>But, people, have we ALL forgotten about Trinity Episcopal which not = only has <BR>an outstanding choir but also a PRISTINE and untouched E.M. Skinner = organ of <BR>four manuals and (guessing) about 70-75 ranks that is absolutely = gorgeous to <BR>hear and play. &nbsp;They also, from last report, do very traditional and high <BR>church. &nbsp;Trinity is right up Gough about 5 blocks from the new = St. Mary's <BR>Cathedral, I believe to the west. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>If it's Roman Liturgy you want, then definitely go to St. Mary's. = &nbsp;My friend <BR>Christopher Tietze is the organist-choirmaster there and does an = outstanding <BR>job all around. He does excellent music with the choir, mostly = unaccompanied <BR>and the 9:00 mass (check the times to be certain) is a purely = Gregorian Chant <BR>mass, yes- congregationally, and quite beautiful indeed. <BR> <BR>I would like to mirror what Arthur LaMirande said about the Ruffatti = and <BR>acoustics in the new St. Mary's. &nbsp;The acoustics, while far from = dead, are <BR>"odd" in such a way that the room does not react at all like one would = expect <BR>in such a vast space. &nbsp;But the sound of the organ or choir dying = away is <BR>quite beautiful. &nbsp;The organ is a true "period piece" and very = typical of <BR>instruments built in 1971 or around that time, the exact year escapes = my <BR>memory at the moment. &nbsp;Christopher has had much tonal revision = carried out <BR>and it is, in fact, warmer and a bit more voluptuous than on the old <BR>Cochereau recording from the dedication. &nbsp;A real pedal 16' = Principal has now <BR>been installed replacing the original 16' Dulciana rank as well as a = 32' <BR>Contre Bourdon which is quite nice in the room. <BR> <BR>The celestes on that Ruffatti are absolutely gorgeous, and rumor has = it that <BR>the console has all necessary switching inside for sub and super = couplers if <BR>one really wanted to achieve the "moonbeam" effect. &nbsp;It would be = quite <BR>effective in there. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>For what the Ruffatti is, it ain't bad folks, it really is not (and = YES this <BR>is ME saying that.) &nbsp;It's a very silvery and bold sound and can = be registered <BR>quite effectively. &nbsp; <BR>I have told many people that that organ has some of the most beautiful = flutes <BR>I have ever heard anywhere. &nbsp;Their placement is ideal and they = get our <BR>clearly and very distinctly. &nbsp;Watch out for the Great Scharff = though- it is, <BR>without a doubt, almost unusable. &nbsp;The Positif Cymbale is quite = nice though. &nbsp; <BR>The chamade, to my ears, sounds like an overblown Wurlitzer brass = saxophone <BR>and the 32' Bombarde, well- fasten your seatbelts! &nbsp;It's fun! <BR> <BR>(Of course, it would also be fun to remove the Ruffatti off of the <BR>"mushroom," have Jack Bethards and Schoenstein build a Grand Orgue up = behind <BR>the altar in that enormous empty space abouve the wooden "reredos" and = then <BR>put an orgue du choeur back up on "the mushroom.") &nbsp;Now, wouldn't = THAT be <BR>something?????? <BR> <BR><B>SCOTT F. FOPPIANO</B>, Principal Organist and Director of Music and = Liturgy <BR>The National Shrine of the Little Flower, Royal Oak, MI <BR>(Geo. Kilgen &amp; Son, Opus 5180, 1933) <BR><I>"Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat dicens: <BR>fiat cor meum immaculatum ut non confundar."</I> <BR> &nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_47.907b550.27ea947d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why Little Interest in Learning Organ? From: "Bob Kinner" <rkinner@one.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:57:05 -0500   Cindy & list,   I wish I knew. Our chruch's orrganist was killed in an automobile accident in early January. I, who like to sub *occasionally*, have been playing since then - with no end in sight. We have discovered, as one person suggested, that organists are as scarce as hen's teeth. Newspaper ads have gone unanswered. We have tried both of the major music schools near us for students - with no luck (Miami University, which discontinued its organ program in the mid-80's, and the University of Cincinnati College Conservatory of Music, which still has a program but apparently very few students). I have, however, turned up three other churches in our area also looking for organists.   My only guess is that we are seeking a part-time organist, ie Sunday mornings and Wednesday evening choir rehersal. Maybe a larger chruch with a full-time position would have better luck.   In case you are looking for a position, send me an email. I don't like playing on a regular basis, nor do I want the three weddings coming up in the next two months.   Bob -- Bob Kinner AA8FH rkinner@one.net "If at first you don't succeed, switch to power tools." Red Green      
(back) Subject: Dueling organs at St.Mary's in Sydney, Australia? From: "Michael" <scapolo@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:35:55 -0500   My brother just returned from Sydney, Australia. He told me that = St.Mary's has two organs, neither of which is very large, and to compensate for this that 2 organists play them simultaneously with radio controlled headsets during hymns. Is this really happening?   If so, why don't they just control both organs from one manual. Get it wired properly!   Michael    
(back) Subject: Fwd: ATOS---Reminder !!!! From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:52:58 -0600   Folks   This was posted on the PIPORG-L and Theatreorgans lists and since Dan Bellomy is not a member of this list I thought I would forward it in case anyone is interested in this competition.   If you want to contact Dan please use the address at the bottom of his = message.   Happy PipeChatting   David   **********************FORWARDED = MESSAGE************************************ >Good day everyone...... > >This is just a reminder about the upcoming ATOS Hobbyist Competition !! > >The deadline for entries to the 2001 ATOS Hobbyist Competition is fast >approaching. If you are planning to enter (and we hope that you are:) = then >you need to have your entry in by APRIL 15, 2001! > >The information for entering was originally posted here and you also = should >have been made aware of it by your Chapter President who received the >information last summer. If for some reason you missed the details and >would like more info please e-mail me privately and I will get it to you = as >fast as cyberspace can carry it! :) > >Thanks and have a great day!! > >Dan Bellomy >bellomy@atos.org ***************************************************************************= ************** -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: San Francisco From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:45:02 -0600   When I was in San Francisco a few years ago, my wife, my son and I went to a concert there ( St. Mary's) one Sunday afternoon. A fantastic building. An interesting location of the organ. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it was underwhelming, or the organist just didn't like to pull out very many stops. But it isn't his fault that I am so hard of hearing. A different time out there we went to a church in San Anselmo and heard David Higgs play on 2 organs. One in the balcony and one in the front. I was told that both could be played from the console in the balcony. That one, I had no trouble hearing. :-) Luther -----Original Message----- From: ALamirande@aol.com <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 9:48 AM     If you want to attend Mass in San Francisco, I recommend St. Mary's Cathedral, located near the consulate of the People's Republic of = China and close to Japantown.   Sometimes irreverently called the "washing machine" (because of its = odd shape), it has a grandiose High Mass on Sundays at 11 a.m., complete = in, too, alas.) The organ is a Ruffatti. I performed on it twice during 2000. As the organist (Christoph = Tietze) said to me: "It's the best Ruffatti in San Francisco."   It's heard to best advantage if you're sitting on the opposite side of the cathedral --- which, inside, is very spacious indeed. The organ is free-standing, and sometimes referred to as the "toadstool". It's = not >Arthur LaMirande    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Organs From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:58:32 -0800 (PST)   I had an Allen once in a church - a 1965 model and it would NOT burn up! = It had "Electronic Whind!" <g>   > > A related question: would the "electronic blower" in an electric organ = such > > as this be the source of the chiff? > > > > Mandy     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Organs From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:18:06 -0800   At 05:53 PM 3/21/2001 -0500, you wrote: >A related question: would the "electronic blower" in an electric organ = such >as this be the source of the chiff? <snip>   No. "Electronic Whind" was a noise source that added an unsteady, "windY' quality to the tone. Allen's patented "chiff" circuit, on the more expensive models, full wave rectified the initial speech from the oscillator to provide a true "clipping" of the waveform, and was quite realistic when working properly. If not working right, it could be pretty =   hokey. Cheaper models, such as the TC-1, had a "percussion" circuit that provided a "harp" tone, and this was coupled to the flute tone at 2 2/3' pitch to provide and erstaz "chiff" very similar to Hammond's percussino circuit of 1955. It was pretty hokey ALL the time, and made the TC-1 = sound a LOT like a B-3 with percussion on. It was controlled by a tongue tab that was simply marked "C".   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Organs From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:19:04 -0800   At 02:58 PM 3/21/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Yep.<snip>   Nope. See my earlier post.   dB    
(back) Subject: Shutting Shutters From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:45:31 EST   Hey, kiddies, riddle me this:   What blocks MORE tonal egress? Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades?   Sebastian Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: organs and acoustics From: "Jim Filsinger" <kimballl@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:59:24 -0800 (PST)   --0-40639787-985226364=3D:45362 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii       Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> wrote: At 09:17 AM 3/21/2001 -0800, you wrote:   >One of my teachers, Janette Fishell, stressed a technique she called >"over-legato," where you slithered across the keyboard and pedals letting =   >notes >barely overlap whereever it worked musically, and especially for romantic =   >works or the melody in a chorale prelude.   That's an old Virgil Fox technique that he'd overdo constantly.   >This compensates quite well in a dry room.   Well, in a DRY room, you can get away with it. In a live room, the effect is that the organist sound drunk or the action is failing!   >I DO HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT ACOUSTICS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT STOP IN ANY >ORGAN!   True enough. Unfortunately, architects in the US are still woefully uneducated and unaware of the value of good acoustics in musical presentation, preferring instead to still render anechoic chambers with vast PA systems for the delivery of the weekly "sales pitch".   DeserTBoB     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! = Mail. --0-40639787-985226364=3D:45362 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P> <BR> <P>&nbsp; <B><I>Bob Scarborough &lt;desertbob@rglobal.net&gt;</I></B> = wrote: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = PADDING-LEFT: 5px">At 09:17 AM 3/21/2001 -0800, you wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;One = of my teachers, Janette Fishell, stressed a technique she = called<BR>&gt;"over-legato," where you slithered across the keyboard and = pedals letting <BR>&gt;notes<BR>&gt;barely overlap whereever it worked = musically, and especially for romantic <BR>&gt;works or the melody in a = chorale prelude.<SNIP><BR><BR>That's an old Virgil Fox technique that he'd = overdo constantly.<BR><BR>&gt;This compensates quite well in a dry = room.<SNIP><BR><BR>Well, in a DRY room, you can get away with it. In a = live room, the effect <BR>is that the organist sound drunk or the action = is failing!<BR><BR>&gt;I DO HOWEVER, BELIEVE THAT ACOUSTICS ARE THE MOST = IMPORTANT STOP IN ANY <BR>&gt;ORGAN!<SNIP><BR><BR>True enough. = Unfortunately, architects in the US are still woefully <BR>uneducated and = unaware of the value of good acoustics in musical <BR>presentation, = preferring instead <a href=3D"http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=3Dmailiyfoot">Yahoo! = Mail Personal Address</a> - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. --0-40639787-985226364=3D:45362--  
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:01:41 -0500       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, kiddies, riddle me this: > > What blocks MORE tonal egress? > Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or > a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades?   Uh, two questions. Do the facade pipes have carpeting fastened to them to give them that fashionable "cat condo look"?   And are the shutters sound activated to slam shut when those damned noisy reeds start bleating?  
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:13:09 EST   This must be a trick question.  
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:13:37 -0800   At 08:45 PM 3/21/2001 -0500, you wrote: >What blocks MORE tonal egress? >Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or >a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades?<snip>   Haha! NO riddle THERE, at all! It's been something that's caused me to snicker at the TrackerBackers for years now.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: souviens From: <ALamirande@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:20:28 EST     --part1_76.8c125d8.27eabb6c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Je me souviens =3D I remember   License plates in Que'bec.   Qu'est-ce que j'ai dit? Reviens?   Incroyable!   Eh bien: le bon Dieu, lui-meme seulement, est parfait!   Arthur LaMirande   --part1_76.8c125d8.27eabb6c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Je me souviens = &nbsp;=3D &nbsp;I remember <BR> <BR>License plates in Que'bec. <BR> <BR>Qu'est-ce que j'ai dit? &nbsp;Reviens? <BR> <BR>Incroyable! <BR> <BR>Eh bien: &nbsp;le bon Dieu, lui-meme seulement, est parfait! <BR> <BR>Arthur LaMirande</FONT></HTML>   --part1_76.8c125d8.27eabb6c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: shutters vs. facade pipes From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:31:20 -0800   I would guess both *block* equal amounts ... depending on the construction of the swell shades -- if they're thick, filled, and/or made to overlap, with felt in the grooves to keep them from slamming, then they'd prolly *absorb* more sound than facade pipes, which after all are usually metal, which is harder than wood.   Bud, who flunked every physics course he ever took (grin)    
(back) Subject: Re: Dueling organs From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:44:08 EST   The National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C. has = two seperate Mollers. They are played in the same manner as the Sydney organ = - two people using headsets. There was talk of rebuilding, but I am not = sure where they are on that project. There was no plan at that time to have = the two organs joined.  
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:57:48 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   I vote for the shutters. I believe this is a real issue at Severance Hall ( IMHO)   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Hey, kiddies, riddle me this: > > What blocks MORE tonal egress? > Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or > a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades? > > Sebastian Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: California mission organs(Spanish Churches) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:23:46 EST   Hi Arthur:   As for the California Missions set up by Fra. Junipero Serra, Mission San Carlos has a modern organ with a highly decorated Spanish inspired case work. I'm not very sure of the builder, but it could be either a Schoenstein or a Rosales. Mission San Luis Rey had a Rudolph Von Beckerath. Could anyone corroborate the story that it has since been removed? Reuter put some small organs into some of the others like San Juan Capistrano. This organ was deliberately damaged by a former choir director of a vandalistic bent. It is now under restoration by Frank Kieran. The choir director was probably a guitar devote, at anyrate he was fired for his stupid deed of stomping on the = reeds. The rest have digital organs by Allen and others. The new annex in San Francisco has a Rodgers in San Francisco de Solano. San Buena Ventura has an Austin I believe and Santa Barbara Old Mission has a pipe organ, and also could be Austin. Mission San Gabriel Archangelo has an Allen 3M in the annex. There are a few missions that may have no organs at all.   Regards,   Ron Severin   PS I need corroboration on the Missions I'm not entirely sure of. Mission San Fernando has been damaged so many times in earthquakes I'm not sure what they have. Desert Bob lives near there and may know for = sure.  
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:40 -0600   I would say the shutters unless the pipes in front are wood. The round pipes let the sound go right around them. When do we get the answer? Luther -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: Shutting Shutters     >Hey, kiddies, riddle me this: > >What blocks MORE tonal egress? >Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or >a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades? > >Sebastian Gluck >New York City      
(back) Subject: Re: California mission organs(Spanish Churches) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:50:05 -0800   The Beckerath at Mission San Luis Rey has been removed to Immaculata = Chapel at the University of San Diego. It was replaced by an Allen in the Mission = ... at the behest of a friar who was "tired" of the Beckerath. A friend of mine = sings at The Immaculata, and says the little Beckerath acquits itself rather well = in that enormous barn of a church.   Founders' Chapel on the USD campus (the former convent chapel) has TWO = organs ... a small Blackinton 2m tracker in the rear gallery, and a superb little 1m = & pedal Ott in the chancel. I don't know what either are used for ... the last I = heard, gee-tars reigned supreme in the chapel, and there is no organ teacher at = USD, as far as I know.   As far as historic Spanish or Mexican organs in Upper California missions, = I remember reading somewhere in a history of music in the missions that the California ones were relatively poor in comparison to their richer = neighbors to the south ... I *think* it said there were never any organs, though there = are records of Indian "orchestras" who played for Mass here and there.   Ochse covers all that in her book, but my copy got away from me.   The one published volume of California mission music is pretty simple = stuff, compared to the spectacular polyphony found in Central and South American cathedral archives.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Shutting Shutters From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:52:20 EST     --part1_45.3f00877.27ead0f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/22/01 1:46:29 AM !!!First Boot!!!, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     > What blocks MORE tonal egress? > Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or > a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades? >   I was told, and it sounds reasonable, the facade pipes help the blending = of the pipework behind them. Also that the pipes vibrate sympathetically = and are not totally blocking the sound. That's what I was told. I'm not an expert, but it sounds reasonable.   I await attack!     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_45.3f00877.27ead0f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/22/01 1:46:29 AM !!!First Boot!!!, TubaMagna@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What blocks MORE = tonal egress? <BR>Facade pipes with 3/4" space in between them, or <BR>a set of fully opened, properly adjusted shutter blades? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I was told, and it sounds reasonable, the facade pipes help the = blending of <BR>the pipework behind them. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also that the pipes = vibrate sympathetically and <BR>are not totally blocking the sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;That's what I was = told. &nbsp;I'm not an <BR>expert, but it sounds reasonable. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>I await attack! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_45.3f00877.27ead0f4_boundary--