PipeChat Digest #1948 - Saturday, March 24, 2001
 
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Larrys question about cleaning SM pipes
  by <Doppelflote8@aol.com>
Re: Dust in Pipes
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Peter Conte at Yale
  by "Joe Vitacco" <joe@pipeorgancds.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
dirty hands
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Vierne Carillon
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Dust in Pipes
  by "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
PLEASE READ - [Was: Re: evolution]
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Warning:  NOT for faint of heart, was evolution
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
Re: Peter Conte at Yale
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: dirty hands
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Dust in Pipes
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: Peter Conte at Yale
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Warning:  NOT for faint of heart, was evolution
  by "edward a mc callum" <edmack2@juno.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:52:19 EST     --part1_6.13f21dec.27ee9b43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/24/01 11:53:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > 'Tis simple: > > 1.) Organists don't like to get their hands dirty, > 2.) Saving/moving/installing such instruments takes mechanical and > electrical skill, which organists usually possess none of, > 3.) Organists always think someone ELSE will do the dirty work, thus > allowing them simply to PLAY the finished result when it's done, and > 4.) Most TO fans aren't organists! > >   Why do you hate us so much??   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_6.13f21dec.27ee9b43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/24/01 11:53:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, <BR>desertbob@rglobal.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">'Tis simple: <BR> <BR>1.) &nbsp;Organists don't like to get their hands dirty, <BR>2.) &nbsp;Saving/moving/installing such instruments takes mechanical = and <BR>electrical skill, which organists usually possess none of, <BR>3.) &nbsp;Organists always think someone ELSE will do the dirty work, = thus <BR>allowing them simply to PLAY the finished result when it's done, and <BR>4.) &nbsp;Most TO fans aren't organists! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Why do you hate us so much?? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.13f21dec.27ee9b43_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Larrys question about cleaning SM pipes From: <Doppelflote8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:53:46 EST     --part1_18.aae17a1.27ee9b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   We use good ol' Dish detergent and hot water. Let them air dry. If any are zinc, then youll have to dry them with an air compressor or = youll get flaky white stuff (an oxide). Weve been known to put the small ones = (2' and up) is the dishwasher. A bottle brush is good for cleaning the = insides, but be careful of banging the languid down too far. Good luck!   Regards   Alan Carrick Methuen, MA   --part1_18.aae17a1.27ee9b9a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial Black" LANG=3D"0">We use good = ol' Dish detergent and hot water. &nbsp;Let them air dry. <BR>If any are zinc, then youll have to dry them with an air compressor or = youll <BR>get flaky white stuff (an oxide). &nbsp;Weve been known to put the = small ones (2' <BR>and up) is the dishwasher. &nbsp;A bottle brush is good for cleaning = the insides, <BR>but be careful of banging the languid down too far. &nbsp;Good luck! <BR> <BR>Regards <BR> <BR>Alan Carrick <BR>Methuen, MA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_18.aae17a1.27ee9b9a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Dust in Pipes From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:55:21 EST     --part1_be.11d3f662.27ee9bf9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/01 12:26:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ascott@epix.net writes:     > I even found a moth in the > boot of the reed pipe (Oboe 8") which somehow had made its way from the > blower room, through the 50' of wind tubing to the reservoir and into > the wind chests, to finally find its way into the boot of an Oboe 8' > rank, only to occasionally clog up the reed while it was playing.   I recall after the installation of an organ there was a problem with dead notes in the reed stops. Turns out that there was a concurrent problem = in the sacristy (where the blower was installed) with ants. Seems that the blower was propelling ants into the reeds.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_be.11d3f662.27ee9bf9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/01 12:26:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, ascott@epix.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I even found a = moth in the <BR>boot of the reed pipe (Oboe 8") which somehow had made its way from = the <BR>blower room, through the 50' of wind tubing to the reservoir and into <BR>the wind chests, to finally find its way into the boot of an Oboe 8' <BR>rank, only to occasionally clog up the reed while it was playing. = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I recall after the installation of an organ there was a problem with = dead <BR>notes in the reed stops. &nbsp;&nbsp;Turns out that there was a = concurrent problem in <BR>the sacristy (where the blower was installed) with ants. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Seems that the <BR>blower was propelling ants into the reeds. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_be.11d3f662.27ee9bf9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Peter Conte at Yale From: "Joe Vitacco" <joe@pipeorgancds.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:17:25 -0500   Peter Conte will perform on the Newberry Organ in Woolsey Hall at Yale University tomorrow (Sunday), March 25 at 8pm. $5 donation at the door.   The program:   Rossini - Overture to "Barber of Seville" (transcribed by Conte)   Dupre - Passion Symphony   Wagner - Wotan's Farewell and Magic Fire Music (trascribed by Lemare)   Bolcom - Graceful Ghost Rag   Elgar - Cockaigne Overture "In London Town" (transcribed by Conte - premiere performance) JAV Recordings - http://www.pipeorgancds.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:26:27 EST     --part1_45.41cfc16.27eea343_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Again, Sebastien and friends, another example of poor stewardship by a = church.   If I may be allowed a remembrance: Back in High School, our school = newspaper staff took a trip to Boston to tour the Boston Globe Building, the = Isabella Steward Gardner museum, and to walk the Freedom Trail. All in one day; a = day I shall never forget.   At noon, we were in downtown Boston amid all those incredible churches, including Tremont. All the carillons let loose at exactly Noon. All = those bells ringing down through all those steel and concrete caverns -- WHAT A MOMENT!!   I hadn't heard anything like it before, and I have not heard anything = quite like it since.   Thank the Lord, that a nobler people had foresight to think ahead...people =   who sacrificed greatly to provide beautiful organs, carillons, = stained-glass, church buildings. Thank the Lord, that people like Bach had some vision toward posterity.   What a shame to lose a great organ like the one at Tremont. To me it's = like a local government tearing down historic houses and buildings to make way = for a strip mall. Or, developers clear cutting woods. To me it's the same. Short-sided egotism of the highest magnitude.   Sorry to wax, but it really bugs the dickens out of me to see how anti-historic we have become.   Neil B   --part1_45.41cfc16.27eea343_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Again, Sebastien and = friends, another example of poor stewardship by a church. <BR> <BR>If I may be allowed a remembrance: &nbsp;Back in High School, our = school newspaper <BR>staff took a trip to Boston to tour the Boston Globe &nbsp;Building, = the Isabella <BR>Steward Gardner museum, and to walk the Freedom Trail. &nbsp;All in = one day; a day <BR>I shall never forget. <BR> <BR>At noon, we were in downtown Boston amid all those incredible = churches, <BR>including Tremont. &nbsp;All the carillons let loose at exactly Noon. = &nbsp;All those <BR>bells ringing down through all those steel and concrete caverns -- = WHAT A <BR>MOMENT!! <BR> <BR>I hadn't heard anything like it before, and I have not heard anything = quite <BR>like it since. <BR> <BR>Thank the Lord, that a nobler people had foresight to think = ahead...people <BR>who sacrificed greatly to provide beautiful organs, carillons, = stained-glass, <BR>church buildings. &nbsp;Thank the Lord, that people like Bach had some = vision <BR>toward posterity. <BR> <BR>What a shame to lose a great organ like the one at Tremont. &nbsp;To = me it's like <BR>a local government tearing down historic houses and buildings to make = way for <BR>a strip mall. Or, developers clear cutting woods. &nbsp;To me it's the = same. &nbsp; <BR>Short-sided egotism of the highest magnitude. <BR> <BR>Sorry to wax, but it really bugs the dickens out of me to see how <BR>anti-historic we have become. <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_45.41cfc16.27eea343_boundary--  
(back) Subject: dirty hands From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:45:02 -0800     --------------CC40C31C4E479EC7B4107BC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I got my hands PLENTY dirty saving that 20-something-rank Koehnken & Grimm tracker in Cincinnati in the '70s, and blisters to my knees from stripping and refinishing the case (grin); and lungs full of coal dust from pulling the Hook/Austin pipes out of Music Hall, but now I'm old .... the young'uns will have to learn to do it, and some are.   *I* think it's GREAT fun ... I wish I could still do it ... I sat and watched while they extracted our Moller (grin).   Naw, DesertBob doesn't hate us ... he just hates the B.S. that goes with the profession, both internal and external (grin).   Cheers,   Bud, who tolerates B.S. for about 30 seconds on a GOOD day (grin)       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 3/24/01 11:53:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > desertbob@rglobal.net writes: > > > >> 'Tis simple: >> >> 1.) Organists don't like to get their hands dirty, >> 2.) Saving/moving/installing such instruments takes mechanical and >> electrical skill, which organists usually possess none of, >> 3.) Organists always think someone ELSE will do the dirty work, >> thus >> allowing them simply to PLAY the finished result when it's done, and >> >> 4.) Most TO fans aren't organists! >> > > Why do you hate us so much?? > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --------------CC40C31C4E479EC7B4107BC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> I got my hands PLENTY dirty saving that 20-something-rank Koehnken &amp; Grimm tracker in Cincinnati in the '70s, and blisters to my knees from stripping and refinishing the case (grin); and lungs full of coal dust from pulling the Hook/Austin pipes out of Music Hall, but now I'm old ... the young'uns will have to learn to do it, and some are. <p>*I* think it's GREAT fun ... I wish I could still do it ... I sat and watched while they extracted our Moller (grin). <p>Naw, DesertBob doesn't hate us ... he just hates the B.S. that goes with the profession, both internal and external (grin). <p>Cheers, <p>Bud, who tolerates B.S. for about 30 seconds on a GOOD day (grin) <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 3/24/01 11:53:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>desertbob@rglobal.net = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>'Tis simple:</font></font> <p><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>1.)&nbsp; Organists = don't like to get their hands dirty,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>2.)&nbsp; = Saving/moving/installing such instruments takes mechanical and</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>electrical skill, which organists usually possess none of,</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>3.)&nbsp; Organists = always think someone ELSE will do the dirty work, thus</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>allowing them simply to PLAY the finished result when it's done, and</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>4.)&nbsp; Most TO fans = aren't organists!</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Why do you = hate us so much??</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Visit = Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------CC40C31C4E479EC7B4107BC2--    
(back) Subject: Vierne Carillon From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:52:40 EST     --part1_e2.12399847.27eea968_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I'm looking on Frantic Organist website for the Vierne Carillon, the one based on Westminster.   I see "Twenty-Four Pieces in Free Style Bk2" which includes a piece called =   "Carillon".   Is this what I'm looking for?   Neil B   --part1_e2.12399847.27eea968_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm looking on Frantic = Organist website for the Vierne Carillon, the one <BR>based on Westminster. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I see "Twenty-Four Pieces in Free Style Bk2" which includes a piece = called <BR>"Carillon". <BR> <BR>Is this what I'm looking for? <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e2.12399847.27eea968_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Dust in Pipes From: "Cindy Adams" <piperheaven@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:57:31 -0800 (PST)   Don't worry! LOL! I wouldn't attempt fixing this. The organist is going to or probably has already!     > Would you have a > student with little knowledge into the organ to > fiddle with pipes? Not > me!! Cindy tell the organist. He'll fix it! Don't > touch it yourself. > Bob E. > > RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Cindy: > > The pipe in question needs to be removed from it's > rack board while > > holding the key to clean out debris that may be > above the pallet. > > Blow short hard bursts with your mouth across the > languid or > > mouth opening to the pipe. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:01:12 -0500   no Neil.............the one you want is found in "Pi=E8ces De Fantasie; = 3rd Suite-Op 54. There are 6 pieces in that book, and "Carillon De = Westminster" is the 6th one. It was written by Louis Vierne in December 1927, while he was organist at Notre Dame, and is based on the theme of 'Big Ben', in London. He dedicated it to Henry Willis, a London organ builder. The 'Carillon' in the "24 Pi=E8ces en Style Libre-Op 31" is a much shorter, = easier piece, based on the carillon of the chapel of the Longpont (Aisne) castle. This was dedicated to his brother Ren=E9.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ - [Was: Re: evolution] From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:09:42 -0600   Folks   How about we drop this topic? This is one of those topics that people have strong beliefs about and no matter how well reasoned on one side or the other it will just get into a flame war. And since it really doesn't have to do with organs or church music it is getting a bit off-topic.   I could see a discussion however about the evolution that has happened with pipe organs over the centuries <G>   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Warning: NOT for faint of heart, was evolution From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:16:46 -0800   At 11:41 AM 3/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I suppose they are the same ones who >think the earth is only 5000 years old, and that the universe is confined = to >the solar system! (It's a wonder that they don't claim the sun revolves >around the earth!)<snip>   Don't forget...the earth is FLAT....ask any Southern Baptist or "Pass The LooT Club" member!   Oddly enough, this DOES tie into the organ theme, although considerably a ways around the barn a bit. The emergence of the ultra right wing religious factions has MUCH to do with laziness and less to do with theology than anyone is willing to state thus far. Faced with an increasingly complex world, made that way by the exponential progress of scientific knowledge and achievement, in itself a "new wrinkle" against = the backdrop of time, many people are doing exactly what the hippies in San Francisco were doing in 1967..."dropping out". Instead of trying to keep up with the volumes of knowledge and trying for at least a bit of understanding, either through formal education or just plain reading (a lost art, almost), many find that it's easier to have someone dictate the terms of their life and their environment for them instead, thus relieving =   them of the burden of hard work and use of brain power. Hitler's = knowledge of this phenomena is all too apparent to the objective reader of his sociopolitical treatise, "Mein Kampf".   Transferring this theory to the "happy-clappy" movement and others, one finds that musical choices are no longer based on academic perseverance of =   understanding or traditional mores of quality, but are dictated, in a top-down fashion, by practitioners in the art of mind control, the = backbone of the Religious Right/fundamentalist movement. Such "happy-clappy" = themes give a "feel good" mentality to followers, making them feel that all is well, other people are making all their decisions for them, and all they have to do, in the words of Johnny Ola, is "go along". More mainstream, less politically motivated denominations also "go along" with this method to a limited extent, more out of competition at the collection plate than an anything else. It is well documented that despots (including those at the con of the Catholic Church itself) have used control of music content and style to hold sway over the "unwashed masses"... Hitler and Stalin are =   but two recent political examples.   Rejection of complicated scientific knowledge makes life easier for those less of mental horsepower and those who are just plain lazy, something = that the nabobs of the religious right know all too well. By addressing baseless emotional fears of their masses of such complex knowledge, = through oversimplification of everything from Scripture, quoting the heavily adulterated "King James" version of the Bible as if it were all factual, to the control of content and style of service music, robotic control can be eventually achieved. Note a favorite Religious Right = bumper sticker: "God said it...I believe it...that settles it."... hardly the = the opening salvo of a deep philosophical discussion with anyone of any mental =   fortitude. A sterling example of this "robotic control" is the recent presidential election, during which untoward (and oft times illegal) influence of these very groups is being suspected to have swayed the result, especially in the South and Midwest, bellwethers for the Religious =   Right movement.   To bring this into an "organic" focus, note the recent trend toward rejection of any organ music in the churches of this movement. Note also how it accelerated rapidly after the "outting" of Diane Bish during the Coral Ridge episode, done at the hands of one of the very same nabobs of the Religious Right, "Doctor" Kennedy, himself masquerading as a Presbyterian. Our young friend "Josh" probably wouldn't have experienced what he did BEFORE this travesty occurred, I'd wager. As for the Catholic =   Church, they have NO choice BUT to embrace science now, as many of their time-honored "tricks" for crowd control have been proven to be either misinterpreted natural phenomena (Fatima, 1917) or outright fakes ("Shroud =   of Turin"), along with many cases of faked bleeding stigmata from crucifixes around the world. The Church, you'll recall, wanted to excommunicate scientific founders, such as Galileo, as being "heretics", and they have much to make up for in terms of credibility.   Food for thought, though as distasteful as plain yogurt it may be.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:24:40 -0000   I heard someplace that when Vierne was planning to write the Carillon, he called Henry Willis on the phone and asked him to sing the melody of Big Ben. Willis had just had an ample amount of sherry and got it wrong - = which is why it isn't identical. John      
(back) Subject: Re: Peter Conte at Yale From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:21:56 -0800   At 08:17 PM 3/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Peter Conte will perform on the Newberry Organ in Woolsey Hall at Yale >University tomorrow (Sunday), March 25 at 8pm. $5 donation at the = door.<snip>   Anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to hear Peter Conte display his talent for the long-dormant art of organ transcription should do so as = soon as possible, preferably on an organ of sufficient resources. All = repertory preferences aside, I think what he does may be the salvation of the organ in public venue performance...if we could just lay OFF the "retro-fad" silliness in these places! Seattle residents will never get the chance to =   hear him in "Boss-Nova" Hall, I'm quite sure!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:26:36 -0500   John...........enlighten us all. How is the melody supposed to be, as opposed to the was it's written?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: dirty hands From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:24:33 -0800   At 05:45 PM 3/24/2001 -0800, BuuD-by-the-BeacH wrote: >I wish I could still do it ... I sat and watched while they extracted our =   >Moller (grin). <snip>   As I said before...age DOES have its privileges!   >Naw, DesertBob doesn't hate us ... he just hates the B.S. that goes with >the profession, both internal and external (grin). <snip>   Kudos to BuuD for being succinct but oh, so correct.   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:30:37 -0500   let's not forget that this piece is 'based' on the theme of Big Ben, which is why the piece may or may not have the same identical notes as the = actual bell tower.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:38:55 -0800   At 09:24 PM 3/24/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Willis had just had an ample amount of sherry and got it wrong - which >is why it isn't identical.<snip>   Perfectly believable. You should hear what Vierne sounds like after I've had a couple of Bombay <hick!> Martoonis!   DeserTBoB <hick!>    
(back) Subject: Re: Dust in Pipes From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:38:52 -0500   I cleaned out all 61 Oboe pipes of plaster dust and debris at St. Francis = de Sales' Reuter. Made quite a difference.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: Peter Conte at Yale From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:23:22 -0600   At 06:21 PM 3/24/01 -0800, dB wrote:   >Anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to hear Peter Conte display his >talent for the long-dormant art of organ transcription should do so as = soon >as possible, preferably on an organ of sufficient resources.   I second that...! The Newberry Organ at Yale would certainly qualify for 'sufficient resources', I'd think...wish I could be there!   Tim        
(back) Subject: Re: Warning: NOT for faint of heart, was evolution From: "edward a mc callum" <edmack2@juno.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:37:48 -0500   well---DB, no one can ever accuse you of not being amusing--!! oh-and capable of a thought provoking a "deep philosophical discussion"---yeh---right.   ed mc callum--melbourne, florida