PipeChat Digest #1949 - Sunday, March 25, 2001
 
organic evolution
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Vierne Carillon
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
Re: Citations of GOOD organs
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST)
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST)
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
 

(back) Subject: organic evolution From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:51:52 -0800   Nope. Organs didn't evolve. God created trackers, and that was THAT (evil grin).   Cheers,   Bud, still a rabble-rouser, even from his wheelchair (grin)   Administrator wrote:   > Folks > > How about we drop this topic? This is one of those topics that > people have strong beliefs about and no matter how well reasoned on > one side or the other it will just get into a flame war. And since > it really doesn't have to do with organs or church music it is > getting a bit off-topic. > > I could see a discussion however about the evolution that has > happened with pipe organs over the centuries <G> > > David > -- > **************************************** > David Scribner > Owner / Co-Administrator > PipeChat > > http://www.pipechat.org > mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:53:06 EST     --part1_8b.432bf8e.27eec5a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/24/2001 9:32:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, organist@total.net writes:     > let's not forget that this piece is 'based' on the theme of Big Ben, = which > is why the piece may or may not have the same identical notes as the = actual > bell tower. > >   Well, the "usual" story is that Vierne phoned Henry Willis and asked him = to sing the Westminster Chime, and that Henry sang that one wrong note.   You couldn't prove it by me.   Cheers,   Malcolm   --part1_8b.432bf8e.27eec5a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 3/24/2001 9:32:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>organist@total.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">let's not forget = that this piece is 'based' on the theme of Big Ben, which <BR>is why the piece may or may not have the same identical notes as the = actual <BR>bell tower. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Well, the "usual" story is that Vierne phoned Henry Willis and asked = him to <BR>sing the Westminster Chime, and that Henry sang that one wrong note. <BR> <BR>You couldn't prove it by me. <BR> <BR>Cheers, <BR> <BR>Malcolm</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8b.432bf8e.27eec5a2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:55:29 -0500   I'm asking once again..........what's the WRONG note?    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:56:02 -0500   can someone please post what the notes should be, as opposed to what they are?   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:09:27 EST   Off the top of my head, I think the Vierne begins F#, E, D, A - and the actual notes are F#, D, E, A.  
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:13:37 -0500   oh good grief..........it does begin 'F#, E, D, A', but the way you say it should be (F#, D, E, A), does appear, albeit it not perhaps in the proper order.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:13:40 -0800   At 10:56 PM 3/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >can someone please post what the notes should be, as opposed to what they >are?<snip>   Go rent some old English movies from the '30s...seems that every fog shrouded London street scene, there's Big Ben tolling in the background!   ....and NO, I'm NOT going to write out the Westminster Chime for you!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Vierne Carillon From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:28:25 -0500   thanks for your help Bob, but the question was answered.........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:51:57 -0800   It is really a shame that #1 Toaster Co. through the local dealer could = not make any attempt to save the pipework. A lot of this is educating the Church on the value of the pipework, evidently in this case it was not done and the process of = getting in a new Digital Happy Clappy overrode the historical and sonic = significance of well built pipe organ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant     > At 09:44 AM 3/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Isn't it interesting that groups of hobbiests can get together and save = a > >theatre organ, but when a significant church/concert organ of such integrity > >and magnitude in a city like Boston is threatened, nothing = happens?<snip> > > 'Tis simple: > > 1.) Organists don't like to get their hands dirty, > 2.) Saving/moving/installing such instruments takes mechanical and > electrical skill, which organists usually possess none of, > 3.) Organists always think someone ELSE will do the dirty work, thus > allowing them simply to PLAY the finished result when it's done, and > 4.) Most TO fans aren't organists! > > ;-) > > dB > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Citations of GOOD organs From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:04:14 EST   In a message dated 01-03-24 17:35:23 EST, Oboe writes:   << I have seen some incredible organs go in in my day, and they are only a year or two, or in =   the case of the new Fritts in Princeton, months old. >>   What is the story about this? Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:05:15 -0800   PS I might add that there are no theatre organs of any kind left in the remaining theaters in Boston, my hometown........      
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:15:57 EST   Whoa Hold on!   What's this about Toasters?   What I heard was that it was BreWse brand of tickle ivories. A Fisky sound alike retro fad unenclosed hand pumped, weazzy winded squeeze box. RS   Don't respond to me but this guy who like the lone ranger rides in on a = fast horse and says this without signing his post! harv8@email.msn.com (harv8) Who ever harv8 is ??????   It is really a shame that #1 Toaster Co. through the local dealer could = not make any attempt to save the pipework. A lot of this is educating the Church on the value of the pipework, evidently in this case it was not done and the process of = getting in a new Digital Happy Clappy overrode the historical and sonic = significance of well built pipe organ.   Desert Bob and the rest of us sign our posts whether people agree with us or not. I wish you had the guts to SIGN YOURS!   You made it appear that desert Bob wrote the piece, I know better!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST) From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:22:22 -0800   Now Now, I just offered my opinion. I am sorry that my signature did not appear. But I lurk most of the time, but once in a while I would like to offer comments without being attacked. I do work for 2 of the toaster companies, and believe me the term is more comic than anything else. All of the electronic organ manufacturers have come a long way and I admire and respect that. I do think that it is = their duty to preserve pipe organs as much as possible. Harvey      
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant(UNSIGNED POST) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:52:06 -0800   At 09:22 PM 3/24/2001 -0800, you wrote: >I do think that it is their duty to preserve pipe organs as much as >possible.<snip>   ....and if elephants could fly...   I'm sure THAT statement would give titters of laughter to the Markowitz clan for days on end!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:57:40 EST     --part1_7a.1260a30b.27eef0e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/25/01 1:27:00 AM !!!First Boot!!!, = Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > Sorry to wax, but it really bugs the dickens out of me to see how > anti-historic we have become. > >   Please read "lazy and cheap." (sigh) Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_7a.1260a30b.27eef0e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 3/25/01 1:27:00 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Innkawgneeto@cs.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Sorry to wax, but = it really bugs the dickens out of me to see how <BR>anti-historic we have become. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Please read "lazy and cheap." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(sigh) <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7a.1260a30b.27eef0e4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:23:06 -0800   At 01:57 AM 3/25/2001 -0500, BaWLd-OnE bReWsE wrote: Please read "lazy and cheap." (sigh) <snip>   I'd agree, but would add "misled" and "ignorant", too.   dB