PipeChat Digest #1951 - Sunday, March 25, 2001
 
Re: To those "that have had it"
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: plain
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ?
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: St. Jean-Baptiste/St. Vincent Ferrer
  by <ahremsen40@aol.com>
Re: plain
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: plain
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
St. Vincent Ferrer NYC
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: To those "that have had it"
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ?
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: plain
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ?
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
service list - Laetare Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa, CA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ?
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: service list - Laetare Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa,  CA (X-pos
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: plain
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
Re: birthday wishes
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Acoustical Sealant
  by "Diaphone64@hotmail.com" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: To those "that have had it" From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:53:54 -0800 (PST)   Yes, life is too short, and it may seem the right thing to do at the moment (telling the pastor where to shove his pulpit). But in the long run, you might eventually want to apply for another church job and have a hard time with it because you "burned your bridges". One should NEVER have a screaming match in front of members of the congregation. It is amazing how quickly that will work completely against you. Be professional at ALL times. In a polite civil tone, perhaps it would be better to have a discussion of how one feels lack of respect for the gifts (and EDUCATION!!) that one brings to the job as a musician. If it is obvious that you can't work with the pastor, then say that you wish to resign; make up a gracious reason for your resignation (ie. fib) rather than say, "I can't work with you, you horse's ass!" In the end, the congregation will give you a nice sendoff, throw a party for you, will probably miss you and perhaps keep in contact. YOU will get a lovely letter of recommendation in return, which will put you in good stead for your next potential job posting.   And to give my own version of the last quote mentioned down below, especially in the context of this new thread: "We have seen the enema, and it is us."   Best wishes to you, Jack   - Wayne Grauel <wgvideo@attglobal.net> wrote: > Hello all, I just joind the group and was reading > the archives and > wanted to share this common experience I had, and > hope some people take > what I have to say seriously! > > I can share your experiences and so can so many > others.... but what you > do about it > means more about your character than anything. > > I was in a MS Lutheran church in Germantown MD. > Beautiful 24 stop - 35 > Rank Flentrop in a 4 second room. They hired a new > preacher (no.... not > pastor) who on the first day stopped me in the > middle of the 1st hymn > after waving his arms all over the place trying to > direct the > congregation from down in the front... and wanted me > to liven this hymn > up. (I saw this in the mirror, but totally ignored > him.) I will tell > you without a doubt, as hymn playing goes , free > form hymn improvisation > (not the crap you see in books either), and > understanding tempo and > cadence in hymnody, I would put myself in the top > 5%. > > After being stopped dead in my tracks I continued > the hymn at the > appropriate tempo for > congregational singing. At that point he wanted to > meet with me before > each service to "go over each hymn". He came in on > the 1st Sunday of > Advent and my resignation was out there 10 days > later Christmas Eve was > my last service! > > You know, congregations really don't give a shit! I > was persona > non-grata after my blowup with this jerk. I told > him in front of the > congregation in the narthex (after he cornered me) > that my job was to > lead the congregation in hymn singing and that was > exactly what I was > going to do!.... he stormed off. Let me tell you > that life is too short > to put up with ass holes like this. Pardon the > off-color remarks, but > sometimes the punctuation really helps get the > severity of the situation > across. > > This, by the way, was a complete change in a > congregation which, within > the prior year, was telling me that "the walls of > this church have never > heard music like this". I was brought into a > meeting with the Board of > Elders and the pastor to hopefully "patch things > up". I was told that > they had hired the pastor, and he was the leader of > the congregation and > my boss, and therefore I had to do exactly what he > wanted if I wanted to > keep my job. > > If we don't stand up for what we believe, then we're > no better than the > stupid pathetic blind sheep sitting in the pews. > They are the ones who > are totally gutless and have no one to blame for > their problems but > themselves! > > Anyone who loves music (whatever your tradition) and > is forced to go > against whatever > precepts that you know are in keeping with your > congregation, then > you're nothing more than a whore playing for money! > To Quote a good > frined, Thomas Spacht... about organists and many of > the problems that > we endure (or put up with), or create on our own... > "We have met the > emeny and it is us!" > > Wayne Grauel > Former Director of Music > at a church in Germantown, Maryland > > I now volunteer my services for a small Lutheran > Church. > I have always said, that I would rather give my > talent to a congregation > that has no resources and totally appreciates me > rather than get screwed > by a congregation that is well off yet doesn't want > to pay an organist > what they're worth! > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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(back) Subject: Re: plain From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:57:19 -0800 (PST)   Try plain joghurt with cottage cheese mixed in. It makes a meal that is high in protein, amino acids and very low in fat!   It's also easy to make and can be eaten on the go.   --- ALamirande@aol.com wrote: > To Bob Scarborough: > > I LIKE plain yogurt! > > Arthur LaMirande >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ? From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:23:05 -0500   A very old tracker organ in a very dusty church had a problem with the low C pipe of a big Trumpet reed with a tapered resonator. As the key was depressed it was slow to start speech. Once speaking, the pitch would go up and down and occasionally "warble". Turns out that it was an unfortunate bird that was stuck and died in the tapered part of the resonator. Apparently, the wind pressure was great enough to move it up the pipe a bit which changed the pitch, then it dropped back down. I am still trying to figure out what caused the warble !!!   Antoni scott  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Jean-Baptiste/St. Vincent Ferrer From: <ahremsen40@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:21:51 EST   Dear List,   The organ in St. Vincent Ferrer was never an "old Kilgen", nor was the = organ in St. Jean Baptiste ever a Moller. There is LOT'S of bad information = coming your way from Arthur!   Best, Allan Remsen  
(back) Subject: Re: plain From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:18:26 -0800   At 07:36 AM 3/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I LIKE plain yogurt! <snip>   'Tis good for you!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: plain From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:35:04 -0500   Mike Gettelman retches:   Growing up, (while learning to play the organ of course) my mother made me drink the milk even after it had gone sour. That pretty well destroyed any appreciation I might have developed for any fermented dairy product like buttermilk or yogurt. It is good for you only if you can keep it down. :-)   MG   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 07:36 AM 3/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I LIKE plain yogurt! <snip> > > 'Tis good for you! > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: St. Vincent Ferrer NYC From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:38:17 EST   The organs at Saint Vincent Ferrer were originally a five manual Balbiani = in the back, and a three manual Balbiani in the front. The five manual = console is in the possession of organbuilder and restorer Lawrence Trupiano.   The Balbiani was an odd mix of good and bad craftsmanship, but its = pipework was notably well-made: soldered-in upper lips on the mixtures, rather = than flatted!!!   The gallery case was destroyed, but DOES leave the spectacular west end windows exposed. The chancel case remains and was designed by the = architect of the builder (who also desgined Saint Thomas). That case contains a = small, semi-unified Schantz organ to accompany the choir.   The rear gallery "Bayonne" organ (as Mr. LaMirande diplomatically refers = to it) was unfortunately NOT a restoration; very little of the Balbiani pipework was retained, and it was a highly unified organ on electric = action using a great deal of unvoiced imported pipework. That instrument is now gone, and is being replaced by a substantial pipe organ by Schantz. The Grand-Orgue and Orgue de Choeur will both be controllable from the same console, a four-manual, movable, low-profile job which is currently = playing the chancel organ.   The current director of music is the highly accomplished Dr. Mark Bani, a superb musician and a gem of a human. His playing is impressive, notably = his Bach, but he displays both technical virtuosity and intelligent musicality = in all that he does.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: To those "that have had it" From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:40:05 EST   I must agree with Jack. Having an artistic temper myself I have been very =   close to shouting at a pastor or throwing a hissy fit because of this or that.... and yes I have been stopped in the middle of a hymn to only be = told to speed it up. However, I have always refrained making a scene (hard as that may be), finished the service, gone home before saying anything to = the pastor, poured a strong drink or two, posted my experience to the list (sometimes), slept on it, sought and sorted through advice/responses, = formed my strategy, and discussed the problem(s) with the offending party in a rational and civil manner making sure to use "I feel____" a central point = and then hammering it home with facts. Things may not always get solved 100% = to one's liking, but I have managed to keep church jobs and my sanity in this =   way.   Good luck and God bless,   John  
(back) Subject: Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ? From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:05:52 -0500   Re: Warbling bird in a Trumpet pipe.   Antoni- That warble was the bird saying, "Enough with the noise, all ready!"   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: plain From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:44:22 EST   Aside from its VERY obvious connection with Ralph Downes' 1968 flue = scaling revisions for the Walker rebuild of the 1872 Cavaille-Coll - 1928 Hill = Norman and Beard organ at Paisley Abbey, what is the relevance of yoghurt to this =   list?   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck Uncultured New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:18:20 -0800   At 02:23 PM 3/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I am still trying to figure out what caused the warble !!!<snip>   Hysterisis. Wind would raise the unfortunate bird's carcass beyond the point where it could be sustained, and gravity then takes over, repeating the cycle. Dependant on friction against the carcass from the resonator body, this overtravel could be limited enough to put the range of motion into a very small, fast cycle, thus causing the "warbling". Basic high school physics at work here. BuuD, see what you've missed by not studying =   hard??   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ? From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 25 Mar 2001 13:27:41 -0800   On Sun, 25 March 2001, Antoni Scott wrote:   > > A very old tracker organ in a very dusty church had a problem with the > low C pipe of a big Trumpet reed with a tapered resonator. As the key > was depressed it was slow to start speech. Once speaking, the pitch > would go up and down and occasionally "warble". Turns out that it was an > unfortunate bird that was stuck and died in the tapered part of the > resonator. Apparently, the wind pressure was great enough to move it up > the pipe a bit which changed the pitch, then it dropped back down. I am > still trying to figure out what caused the warble !!!   Geez, y'all have found everything in these reeds except the kitchen Zink!      
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:26:25 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3068382385_43706_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   The Tremont Baptist Temple Casavant is not "lost;" it's all there; at = leas=3D t I assume so. It's just not playing these days =3D8B or at least as of = last July.=3D20   Karl E. Moyer Lacnaste\r PA     --MS_Mac_OE_3068382385_43706_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">The Tremont Baptist Temple = Casavant =3D is not &quot;lost;&quot; &nbsp;it's all there; at least I assume so. = &nbsp;I=3D t's just not playing these days =3D8B or at least as of last July. <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Karl E. Moyer<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Lacnaste\r PA</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3068382385_43706_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: service list - Laetare Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa, CA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:01:38 -0800   THE DAY THE HAMMOND STOOD STILL (grin)   Solemn Mass at 10:30 a.m. (with piano)   Opening Voluntaries Pastorale (2nd movement) - Bach If Thou But Suffer God to Guide Thee (misc.) - Bach Communion Voluntary - Pastorale (3rd movement) - Bach Closing Voluntary - Offertoire (Convent Mass) - Couperin, who surely is turning over in his GRAVE ... I played it on the PIANO (grin)   Proper - Laetare - Dr. Willan Psalm 122 - Goodson in C Ordinary - Merbecke   Anthems I Heart the Voice of Jesus Say - E.S. Lorenz (grin) God So Loved the World - Stainer   Hymns Pro - Rejoice, the Lord is King - Jubilate Com - Jerusalem, My Happy Home - Land of Rest Orison - Day By Day - Sumner Rec - O Saviour, Precious Saviour - Watermouth     I was tempted to drag the Hammond spinet into the church, but the choir put their feet down ... "WE WANT A NEW ORGAN! PLAY THE PIANO! THAT will last about a week!" (grin)   Mrs. Hammond Donor has come on board ... she's giving us at least part of the new organ. She really IS a sweetheart ... she just needed to hear the sad story from the RECTOR (grin).   The service, by the way, was LOTS of fun ... when I play the piano, I play in Southern Gospel piano style (grin) ... always gets a few chuckles.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Why do reed pipes change pitch once they start playing ? From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:58:58 -0800   At 01:27 PM 3/25/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Geez, y'all have found everything in these reeds except the kitchen >Zink!<snip>   Someone on the list found one of those, too, weighting down and regulator with too weak springs! I imagine THAT organ has some "flexible wind"!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: service list - Laetare Sunday - St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa, CA (X-posted) From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:17:13 -0800   At 02:01 PM 3/25/2001 -0800, BuuD-by-the-BeacH wrote: > I Heart the Voice of Jesus Say - E.S. Lorenz (grin)<snip>   Ah! PERFECT music for the "schpinette"! Don't do this too often...the crowd at St. Matt's-by-the-Arco-station might LIKE it!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: plain From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:42:47 -0800 (PST)   Just as long as mad cow disease isn't spread through milk, we should all be fine!   --- mike <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote: > Mike Gettelman retches: > > Growing up, (while learning to play the organ of > course) my mother > made me drink the milk even after it had gone sour. > That pretty well > destroyed any appreciation I might have developed > for any fermented dairy > product like buttermilk or yogurt. It is good for > you only if you can keep > it down. :-) > > MG > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > At 07:36 AM 3/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >I LIKE plain yogurt! <snip> > > > > 'Tis good for you! > > > > dB > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Loss of Tremont Baptist Boston Casavant From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:28:42 -0800   Guess which company I don't do any work for..... Harvey      
(back) Subject: Re: birthday wishes From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:15:00   Mssr Gigout wrote one of my favorites - "Grand Choeur dialogue". Thanks Carlo for the info!   David     >From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "Pipe Chat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>, "Church Organist" ><churchorganist@egroups.com> >Subject: birthday wishes >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:42:45 -0500 > >Happy Birthday to organist/composer Eug=E8ne Gigout (1844-1925). He'd be = 157 >today.......... > >Carlo > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com    
(back) Subject: Acoustical Sealant From: "Diaphone64@hotmail.com" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:24:31 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C0B571.FB75B0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Has anyone on the list worked first-hand with acoustical sealants in =3D churches? This is the kind to apply to porous plaster walls and brick. = =3D Do you have a preferance for any particular brand? =3D20   Thanks, JC   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C0B571.FB75B0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Has anyone on the list worked =3D first-hand with=3D20 acoustical sealants in churches?&nbsp; This is the kind to apply to =3D porous=3D20 plaster walls and brick.&nbsp; Do you have a preferance for any =3D particular=3D20 brand?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>JC</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C0B571.FB75B0E0--